p.2 #1Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Fred Miranda wrote:
I was told that the new CV 35/1.5 Nokton will be available next month (Nov.) and it's a high performance lens. (higher resolution than the discontinued 35/1.7 Ultron)
If it's in the same vein as the 50/1.5 - ultra compact - I wonder how strong optical vignetting will be? That said, compact would not be a bad thing for M mount.
Once again things get crowded at certain CV focal lengths. How many 50s are there? . Also no shortage of 35s (I believe 5: f/1.2, 1.4, 2.0 x2, 2.5). Would be nice to see 28mm get more love. Of course many would like f/1.4. I'll also take an f/2.8 or f/3.5 along the lines of the 40/2.8 design.
p.2 #4Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
rscheffler wrote: Fred Miranda wroteI was told that the new CV 35/1.5 Nokton will be available next month (Nov.) and it's a high performance lens. (higher resolution than the discontinued 35/1.7 Ultron)If it's in the same vein as the 50/1.5 - ultra compact - I wonder how strong optical vignetting will be? That said, compact would not be a bad thing for M mount.
Once again things get crowded at certain CV focal lengths. How many 50s are there? . Also no shortage of 35s (I believe 5: f/1.2, 1.4, 2.0 x2, 2.5). Would be nice to see 28mm get more love. Of course many would like f/1.4. I'll also take an f/2.8 or f/3.5 along the lines of the 40/2.8 design.
I feel that optical vignetting is a character Voigtlander embraces in exchange for smaller lenses.
p.2 #5Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
j.liam wrote: Fred Miranda wroteIt's a question mark if the new CV 35/1.5 Nokton will have similar or superior performance to the CV 35/1.7 Ultron. Both belong to the "Vintage line" along with the CV 35/2 Ultron .
Hopefully it will be at least as short as the Leica 35/1.4 FLE.Question is whether it will be at least as good as the aging Leica 35/1.4 FLE.
My hunch, given recent stellar CV offerings, is that it is likely to be better.
We will find out when they are tested side by side but according to my source, it will performs better than the CV 35/1.7 Ultron even though it's much smaller. I know for sure the latter performs better than the FLE in terms of resolution so we could have something special here.
p.2 #6Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
rscheffler wrote: Fred Miranda wroteI was told that the new CV 35/1.5 Nokton will be available next month (Nov.) and it's a high performance lens. (higher resolution than the discontinued 35/1.7 Ultron)If it's in the same vein as the 50/1.5 - ultra compact - I wonder how strong optical vignetting will be? That said, compact would not be a bad thing for M mount.
Once again things get crowded at certain CV focal lengths. How many 50s are there? . Also no shortage of 35s (I believe 5: f/1.2, 1.4, 2.0 x2, 2.5). Would be nice to see 28mm get more love. Of course many would like f/1.4. I'll also take an f/2.8 or f/3.5 along the lines of the 40/2.8 design.
There are 6 50mm VM lenses in the current CV lineup
50/1, 50/1.2, 50/1.5 Vintage Line Nokton II, 50/1.5 Heliar classic, 50/2 APO, 50/3.5 Heliar.
I have 3 of those in VM and 50/1.2 & 50/2 APO in E-mount. Just missing 50/1.
p.2 #7Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Juha Kannisto wrote:
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There are 6 50mm VM lenses in the current CV lineup
50/1, 50/1.2, 50/1.5 Vintage Line Nokton II, 50/1.5 Heliar classic, 50/2 APO, 50/3.5 Heliar.
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Current production is only part of the equation. The volume of near mint used offerings of the out-of-production lines, in the home market anyway, is phenomenal ... ; - ) Personally, I'd like to see more new thread mount releases...
p.2 #8Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
mapgraphs wrote: Juha Kannisto wrote...
There are 6 50mm VM lenses in the current CV lineup
50/1, 50/1.2, 50/1.5 Vintage Line Nokton II, 50/1.5 Heliar classic, 50/2 APO, 50/3.5 Heliar.
....Current production is only part of the equation. The volume of near mint used offerings of the out-of-production lines, in the home market anyway, is phenomenal ... ; - ) Personally, I'd like to see more new thread mount releases...
Yes, they have the out-of-production 50/1.1 VM, 50/1.5 Vintage Line v1, 50/1.5 LTM, 50/2.5 LTM, 2 Limited Edition versions 50/3.5, 50/2 Heliar classic VM & LTM (Nickel). Can't recall anything else in VM or LTM.
I think only 50/1.1 and 50/1.5 VM v1 are still quite widely available in Japan 2nd hand market from those, other models have more of a limited availability. I have 50/2.5 LTM and 50/2 Heliar classic (Black) from those as well.
There's lot of 2nd hand availability of in-production models too.
p.2 #9Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
I always liked the CV 35/1.7 on paper, but in real-world shooting I always found the contrast (a bit flat) and colors (cool and not overly nuanced) lacking compared to current Leica and ZM glass. I can get good photos, but they take much more work. 35/40/50 1.2 line improved this IMO, and the CV 28/2 improves appreciably on those aspects even more. I like to tonal signature on that lens. It’s been pleasant to see CV progress.
The APO’s seem screaming from what I can tell. I except this new 35/1.5 to have cracking colors/contrast as well as resolution.
As for the 39mm thread…well, the Apoqualia has a 37mm thread. So there’s that I guess.
p.2 #11Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
24mm is also a gap for CV and one of my favorites FL, but there's hard competition there (24 gm and 25 lox) in the sony e-mount.
Juha Kannisto wrote: philip_pj wrote'Long holidays for CV in terms of e-mount offerings.'
It looks more like the long (and unspoken) goodbye, as seen in the Zeiss weather vane modality. Either way, transparency is not a strong point, or even a thing at all. Recall that Sony was the only game in mirrorless town when Cosina got serious in 2017. Despite Sony inviting off-brand lens producers back then, Nikon is really the traditional SLR manual focus brand, of those left standing.
It's likely that new releases of the only full frame cross-brand MF maker will soon be directed their way, perhaps exclusively. Sony users might best be 'glass half full' on what they have received, and 'glass half empty' for the future.
If so, a small but serious set of users will continue to migrate to Nikon over time, and E-Z adapters are available for their CV-E lenses. It won't work in reverse, you can't turn an FFD of 16mm into an FFD of 18mm. Cosina might have found a better mass market home, going forward. Their longer-than-50mm portrait/telephoto lens cupboard is still bare, the 75mm (an M lens) excepted. They are a capricious firm.Based on lens sales info for Japan, Cosina's FF Z-mount lenses are not really outselling their Sony counterparts and the Sony versions were peaking much higher in the charts when they were new and fresh. Even now the E-mount versions are still holding their own. I wouldn't expect Cosina to move towards Nikon Z exclusivity based on that, but I think they want to be an early mover in Z-mount 3rd party lenses and try to maximize their sales while there is not yet as much competition, so they may be continuing to close the gaps between their E-mount and Z-mount FF offerings for a while now. So far they have been picking their E-mount all time best-sellers for Z-mount FF first and I'm curious where they will go from there.
I think in the future when they are ready to bring out an entirely new mirrorless FF lens they'd bring it out in both mounts.
Sadly they don't seem to put much stock on covering the 28mm FL for mirrorless, which is the one I'm personally missing in their mirrorless lineup most....Show more →
p.2 #12Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
fededuran wrote:
24mm is also a gap for CV and one of my favorites FL, but there's hard competition there (24 gm and 25 lox) in the sony e-mount.
Juha Kannisto wrotephilip_pj wrote'Long holidays for CV in terms of e-mount offerings.'
It looks more like the long (and unspoken) goodbye, as seen in the Zeiss weather vane modality. Either way, transparency is not a strong point, or even a thing at all. Recall that Sony was the only game in mirrorless town when Cosina got serious in 2017. Despite Sony inviting off-brand lens producers back then, Nikon is really the traditional SLR manual focus brand, of those left standing.
It's likely that new releases of the only full frame cross-brand MF maker will soon be directed their way, perhaps exclusively. Sony users might best be 'glass half full' on what they have received, and 'glass half empty' for the future.
If so, a small but serious set of users will continue to migrate to Nikon over time, and E-Z adapters are available for their CV-E lenses. It won't work in reverse, you can't turn an FFD of 16mm into an FFD of 18mm. Cosina might have found a better mass market home, going forward. Their longer-than-50mm portrait/telephoto lens cupboard is still bare, the 75mm (an M lens) excepted. They are a capricious firm.Based on lens sales info for Japan, Cosina's FF Z-mount lenses are not really outselling their Sony counterparts and the Sony versions were peaking much higher in the charts when they were new and fresh. Even now the E-mount versions are still holding their own. I wouldn't expect Cosina to move towards Nikon Z exclusivity based on that, but I think they want to be an early mover in Z-mount 3rd party lenses and try to maximize their sales while there is not yet as much competition, so they may be continuing to close the gaps between their E-mount and Z-mount FF offerings for a while now. So far they have been picking their E-mount all time best-sellers for Z-mount FF first and I'm curious where they will go from there.
I think in the future when they are ready to bring out an entirely new mirrorless FF lens they'd bring it out in both mounts.
Sadly they don't seem to put much stock on covering the 28mm FL for mirrorless, which is the one I'm personally missing in their mirrorless lineup most.
And on Leica M mount the 24 f/3.8 Asph is pretty spectacular and relatively inexpensive for a current Leica M, and the latest 24 f/2.8 is also an excellent lens. The Zeiss ZM 25 f/2.8 is also a very nice lens and can be had at a quite decent price. I think Voigtlander will eventually build a 24 or 25 for Leica M mount again, but it is not as though it is a hole for the mount. There are some really nice alternatives.
p.2 #13Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Juha Kannisto wrote: philip_pj wrote'Long holidays for CV in terms of e-mount offerings.'
It looks more like the long (and unspoken) goodbye, as seen in the Zeiss weather vane modality. Either way, transparency is not a strong point, or even a thing at all. Recall that Sony was the only game in mirrorless town when Cosina got serious in 2017. Despite Sony inviting off-brand lens producers back then, Nikon is really the traditional SLR manual focus brand, of those left standing.
It's likely that new releases of the only full frame cross-brand MF maker will soon be directed their way, perhaps exclusively. Sony users might best be 'glass half full' on what they have received, and 'glass half empty' for the future.
If so, a small but serious set of users will continue to migrate to Nikon over time, and E-Z adapters are available for their CV-E lenses. It won't work in reverse, you can't turn an FFD of 16mm into an FFD of 18mm. Cosina might have found a better mass market home, going forward. Their longer-than-50mm portrait/telephoto lens cupboard is still bare, the 75mm (an M lens) excepted. They are a capricious firm.Based on lens sales info for Japan, Cosina's FF Z-mount lenses are not really outselling their Sony counterparts and the Sony versions were peaking much higher in the charts when they were new and fresh. Even now the E-mount versions are still holding their own. I wouldn't expect Cosina to move towards Nikon Z exclusivity based on that, but I think they want to be an early mover in Z-mount 3rd party lenses and try to maximize their sales while there is not yet as much competition, so they may be continuing to close the gaps between their E-mount and Z-mount FF offerings for a while now. So far they have been picking their E-mount all time best-sellers for Z-mount FF first and I'm curious where they will go from there.
I think in the future when they are ready to bring out an entirely new mirrorless FF lens they'd bring it out in both mounts.
Sadly they don't seem to put much stock on covering the 28mm FL for mirrorless, which is the one I'm personally missing in their mirrorless lineup most....Show more →
I feel that staggered releases on some mounts will be the norm for them for a while. They are a nimble little company, but they are little, particularly when you compare them to Tamron or Sigma with their Chinese production facilities. I'm sure they've maximized their efficiency, but it still takes time and retooling to change a production line. Right now it seems like their focus is primarily M-mount, as it has been for decades, and making their licensing deals with Fuji and Nikon pay off.
No one but Leica seems to be putting much stock in the 28mm focal length. Apparently 24 is the new 28, and 20 the new 24.
I pre-ordered 35/1.5 Type I from Map Camera as it's almost 100g lighter (aluminium vs. brass for Type II) and a bit cheaper too. These use the same hoods as 28/2 II (LH-12 and LH-4H). I like the 0.5m minimum focus distance.
I pre-ordered 35/1.5 Type I from Map Camera as it's almost 100g lighter (aluminium vs. brass for Type II) and a bit cheaper too. These use the same hoods as 28/2 II (LH-12 and LH-4H). I like the 0.5m minimum focus distance.
I pre-ordered 35/1.5 Type I from Map Camera as it's almost 100g lighter (aluminium vs. brass for Type II) and a bit cheaper too. These use the same hoods as 28/2 II (LH-12 and LH-4H). I like the 0.5m minimum focus distance.
Yes, when ultra-compactness is a key feature it goes well with light weight and the weight gap is quite big here (188g vs. 284g). Since there's no other difference it was an easy choice. I also have the lighter all-black version of 50/1.5 II.
p.2 #20Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Compared to the Leica 35/1.4 FLE, the new CV 35/1.5 is 10mm shorter and the Type I almost half the weight (188 vs 320g). The filter thread is also way smaller (39mm vs 46mm). The Type II Black Paint is made of Brass while the Leica is aluminum and it's still lighter! (284g vs 320g)
. Also no shortage of 35s (I believe 5: f/1.2, 1.4, 2.0 x2, 2.5). Would be nice to see 28mm get more love. Of course many would like f/1.4. I'll also take an f/2.8 or f/3.5 along the lines of the 40/2.8 design.
