p.4 #2Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
RexGig0 wrote: Steve Spencer wrotefededuran wrote24mm is also a gap for CV and one of my favorites FL, but there's hard competition there (24 gm and 25 lox) in the sony e-mount.
Juha Kannisto wrotephilip_pj wrote'Long holidays for CV in terms of e-mount offerings.'
It looks more like the long (and unspoken) goodbye, as seen in the Zeiss weather vane modality. Either way, transparency is not a strong point, or even a thing at all. Recall that Sony was the only game in mirrorless town when Cosina got serious in 2017. Despite Sony inviting off-brand lens producers back then, Nikon is really the traditional SLR manual focus brand, of those left standing.
It's likely that new releases of the only full frame cross-brand MF maker will soon be directed their way, perhaps exclusively. Sony users might best be 'glass half full' on what they have received, and 'glass half empty' for the future.
If so, a small but serious set of users will continue to migrate to Nikon over time, and E-Z adapters are available for their CV-E lenses. It won't work in reverse, you can't turn an FFD of 16mm into an FFD of 18mm. Cosina might have found a better mass market home, going forward. Their longer-than-50mm portrait/telephoto lens cupboard is still bare, the 75mm (an M lens) excepted. They are a capricious firm.Based on lens sales info for Japan, Cosina's FF Z-mount lenses are not really outselling their Sony counterparts and the Sony versions were peaking much higher in the charts when they were new and fresh. Even now the E-mount versions are still holding their own. I wouldn't expect Cosina to move towards Nikon Z exclusivity based on that, but I think they want to be an early mover in Z-mount 3rd party lenses and try to maximize their sales while there is not yet as much competition, so they may be continuing to close the gaps between their E-mount and Z-mount FF offerings for a while now. So far they have been picking their E-mount all time best-sellers for Z-mount FF first and I'm curious where they will go from there.
I think in the future when they are ready to bring out an entirely new mirrorless FF lens they'd bring it out in both mounts.
Sadly they don't seem to put much stock on covering the 28mm FL for mirrorless, which is the one I'm personally missing in their mirrorless lineup most.And on Leica M mount the 24 f/3.8 Asph is pretty spectacular and relatively inexpensive for a current Leica M, and the latest 24 f/2.8 is also an excellent lens. The Zeiss ZM 25 f/2.8 is also a very nice lens and can be had at a quite decent price. I think Voigtlander will eventually build a 24 or 25 for Leica M mount again, but it is not as though it is a hole for the mount. There are some really nice alternatives.Just one minor point: The Leica Elmar-M 24mm f/3.8 ASPH is, indeed, quite spectacularly good, but, sadly, it is no longer “current.” Leica is not producing 24mm M lenses, at this time.
I only recently discovered this Elmar-M 24mm f/3.8 ASPH lens, finding a pristine pre-owned sample, and was so impressed that I searched for, and found, another one, similarly well-preserved, and bought it, too, as a hedge against mishaps and loss, as the ending production will make future acquisition more difficult. (The only true insurance “policy” is a spare lens.) Plus, now and then, I like to shoot with an M10 and an M Type 246 Monochrom, at the same time, with identical lenses affixed to each. Most you-tubers, and other prominent influencers, had not yet “discovered” the Elmar-M 24mm ASPH, at the time I found mine, so, I did not have to pay collectors’ prices.
I had actually acquired a pre-owned Zeiss 25mm ZM just before I bought my Leica Elmar-M 24mm ASPH lenses, and the latter have occupied my attention to the extent that the Zeiss sits, unused, though every millimeter of focal length, wider than 28mm or so, makes a significant difference, so, I will try to work with the Zeiss, soon. ...Show more →
The ZM has some nice advantages for landscape, like best-in-class flare resistance and nicer light stars, plus it's decently light and small. It can't keep up with the Leicas in resolution, especially mid-to-close focus, but it's hard to tell the difference on a landscape shot at f/5.6 or more.
p.4 #3Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Fred Miranda wrote: fjablo wroteJuha Kannisto wroteFred Miranda wroteAny guesses how much it will cost?
At Mapcamera it's listed for￥88,200 which today translates to US$ 592.79
My guess is U$899 (same price as the CV 28/2 II)Official Japan price for the Type 1 is 110000 and Type II is 120000 yen. For comparison, official Japan price of 50/1.5 II is 100000 for the plain and 115000 for the Panda version. It seems original U.S. price for the 2 50/1.5 II were 949$ and 1049$ so the new 35/1.5 might also be up there, unless the strong dollar is taken more into account in U.S. pricing now. Japan price of the lens looks really cheap now since yen is at a record low vs. USD, but compared to other CV lenses it's pretty much aligned and higher than e.g. 50/1.5 II ever was.
Official price of 28/2 II (both versions) in Japan has been 100000 yen, and it was around 10% cheaper than the new 35/1.5 at launch. Nowadays the brass Type II versions can be bought as new at 70+K yen whereas the Type I version has been sticking to 88K yen (street price) for some reason.The Type II is listed for €1099 in Germany, although 120.000 yen would only be around €829. I would expect the US price to be similar to the €-price or slightly lower, maybe $999?Usually the brass versions costs $100 more than the aluminum. Since the dollar/euro are pretty much equal now, perhaps the pricing will be around U$999 (aluminum) and U$1,099 (brass).
Type I is now also listed for exactly the €999 you predicted. I think US pricing being similar is a good guess.
p.4 #4Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
This lens comes at a time where I am a little frustrated with my 35 f/1.4 nokton's back focusing. I'm even on the verge of splurging on a 35 'lux despite reading that they suffer from the same issues. Maybe I'll wait for these sample images to come out and see how this performs.
p.4 #5Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
frame_00 wrote:
This lens comes at a time where I am a little frustrated with my 35 f/1.4 nokton's back focusing. I'm even on the verge of splurging on a 35 'lux despite reading that they suffer from the same issues. Maybe I'll wait for these sample images to come out and see how this performs.
Curious, does your lens aligned with rangefinder where the infinity stop is where the rf patch aligned?
p.4 #7Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
From what I remember there's still a couple hairs of alignment still available in the RF patch. I'll have to take it out again and check. The body is back from a fresh CLA from DAG so it can't be the RF calibration as the culprit. I've been looking into getting my nokton CLA'd just to be sure, then I'll decide what I want to do from there.
p.4 #8Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
My wish (till one week ago) was a refresh of the Ultron 1.7/35 VM in a new housing.
It was my all time favorite 35mm lens with M-Mount, but I didn't like the knurled focus ring's ergonomics.
I hope the new Nokton makes my dreams come through ...
p.4 #9Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
EVIL_guy wrote:
My wish (till one week ago) was a refresh of the Ultron 1.7/35 VM in a new housing.
It was my all time favorite 35mm lens with M-Mount, but I didn't like the knurled focus ring's ergonomics.
I hope the new Nokton makes my dreams come through ...
Same here. I've owned the CV 35/1.7 Ultron for many years and didn't think the new CV 35/2 Ultron was a replacement for it. Hopefully the new 35/1.5 Nokton will do the trick. It will be impressive if it does since it's so much smaller.
p.4 #10Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
frame_00 wrote:
This lens comes at a time where I am a little frustrated with my 35 f/1.4 nokton's back focusing. I'm even on the verge of splurging on a 35 'lux despite reading that they suffer from the same issues. Maybe I'll wait for these sample images to come out and see how this performs.
My VM35/1.7 back focuses a fair amount (when RF focused - I'm not referring to focus shift). I just intentionally front focus the required amount, which was determined by repeating the sequence of doing a test shot, checking the display for mis-focus, tweaking the focus and checking again, until it generally worked. Alternatively, one can focus with live view, see how far off the RF alignment is, then use that specific amount of misalignment as your guide when RF focusing. Of course it's not ideal but for me service options for the VM are a PITA and I'm not inclined to try shimming it. But I don't use the VM wide open for the majority of use cases. If that's how you use the 35/1.4, then proper RF alignment makes things a lot easier.
p.4 #12Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
rscheffler wrote: frame_00 wroteThis lens comes at a time where I am a little frustrated with my 35 f/1.4 nokton's back focusing. I'm even on the verge of splurging on a 35 'lux despite reading that they suffer from the same issues. Maybe I'll wait for these sample images to come out and see how this performs.My VM35/1.7 back focuses a fair amount (when RF focused - I'm not referring to focus shift). I just intentionally front focus the required amount, which was determined by repeating the sequence of doing a test shot, checking the display for mis-focus, tweaking the focus and checking again, until it generally worked. Alternatively, one can focus with live view, see how far off the RF alignment is, then use that specific amount of misalignment as your guide when RF focusing. Of course it's not ideal but for me service options for the VM are a PITA and I'm not inclined to try shimming it. But I don't use the VM wide open for the majority of use cases. If that's how you use the 35/1.4, then proper RF alignment makes things a lot easier....Show more →
Yeah only thing is I don't have a digital M nor do I know anyone who does to be able to determine this. I don't feel like burning a bunch of rolls with test shots in order to figure it out let alone remember the appropriate focus adjustment in the moment after I've figured it out.
p.4 #14Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Do we know when in November this is being released? Or which half of the month?
There's nothing announced about the specific dates or which part of the month yet from Cosina, but since they have 2 new releases for November (VM 35/1.5 and Z-mount 65/2), I think they will again pick 2 different release dates that are at least 1 week apart as usual. Don't know yet which of the releases will come out first but I hope it's the 35/1.5. I suppose they will announce the specific dates before the end of October.
Their October releases were placed on 4th (Z 35/2 APS-C) and 26th (Z 40/1.2 FF).
p.4 #15Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Juha Kannisto wrote: nehemiahphoto wroteDo we know when in November this is being released? Or which half of the month?There's nothing announced about the specific dates or which part of the month yet from Cosina, but since they have 2 new releases for November (VM 35/1.5 and Z-mount 65/2), I think they will again pick 2 different release dates that are at least 1 week apart as usual. Don't know yet which of the releases will come out first but I hope it's the 35/1.5. I suppose they will announce the specific dates before the end of October.
Their October releases were placed on 4th (Z 35/2 APS-C) and 26th (Z 40/1.2 FF).
p.4 #17Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
daviddestella wrote:
So does the consensus seem like it will probably be a focus-shifty lens like the prior 35mm f/1.4s?
Given the optical formula looks very much like to 35 1.2iii according to Fred, I think the focusing shift will be negligible and similar on film or digital I hope.
p.4 #18Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
The Voigtlander 35mm f/1.5 Nokton Type II is made of brass but it's 96 grams heavier than the Type I aluminum version. Aside from the material used, I don't see any difference between them. This is not the case with the CV 21mm f/3.5 and CV 28/2 II lenses where the Type I has a different style.
Which one are you guys getting? CV 35/1.5 Nokton Type I or II ? I'm leaning towards type II as it matches my CV 28/2 II and the extra weight may improve stabilization. I mean, 284 grams is still light for a modern 35/1.5 lens. In comparison the Leica 35/1.4 FLE is 320 grams and it's not even brass...
p.4 #19Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Fred Miranda wrote:
The Voigtlander 35mm f/1.5 Nokton Type II is made of brass but it's 96 grams heavier than the Type I aluminum version. Aside from the material used, I don't see any difference between them. This is not the case with the CV 21mm f/3.5 and CV 28/2 II lenses where the Type I has a different style.
Which one are you guys getting? CV 35/1.5 Nokton Type I or II ? I'm leaning towards type II as it matches my CV 28/2 II and the extra weight may improve stabilization. I mean, 284 grams is still light for a modern 35/1.5 lens. In comparison the Leica 35/1.4 FLE is 320 grams and it's not even brass......Show more →
I am getting the Type I, both the light weight and the cheaper price although not major factors, pull me to the Type I. I like my CV 35 f/1.7 a lot, but the smaller size, faster aperture, and much better ergonomics make this an upgrade I can't really pass up.
