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p.16 #1Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


How noticeable is the detent or resistance to indicate you're uncoupling from the rangefinder when focusing really close?


Nov 28, 2022 at 10:48 PM
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p.16 #2Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


pinewood wrote:
Fred's quick comparison looks promising. Is it typical for other VM lenses to have a narrower field of view? I think I remember that about the VM 35 1.4 as well.


The CV 40 2.8 is wider than 40mm. Closer to 35mm.

And no, no-one suggest to compare the 40 2.8 to this new 35 1.5, even if the 40 is closer to 35.



Nov 28, 2022 at 10:49 PM
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p.16 #3Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


thrice wrote:
How noticeable is the detent or resistance to indicate you're uncoupling from the rangefinder when focusing really close?


There is nothing to indicate that you are going past 0.7m. No bump, resistance change, etc.



Nov 28, 2022 at 11:21 PM
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p.16 #4Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


weezintrumpete wrote:
thrice wroteHow noticeable is the detent or resistance to indicate you're uncoupling from the rangefinder when focusing really close?
There is nothing to indicate that you are going past 0.7m. No bump, resistance change, etc.


That's annoying. Thanks for the heads up though!



Nov 28, 2022 at 11:24 PM
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p.16 #5Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


weezintrumpete wrote:
thrice wroteHow noticeable is the detent or resistance to indicate you're uncoupling from the rangefinder when focusing really close?
There is nothing to indicate that you are going past 0.7m. No bump, resistance change, etc.


If you play attention closely, there is a very subtle click sound once the RF disengages. With my copy, it's around 0.65m.
One can only notice that in a silent environment. I wish Cosina would improve this in future lenses by adding more resistance and a clear distinction when focusing closer than 0.7m.



Nov 28, 2022 at 11:40 PM
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p.16 #6Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


Desmolicious wrote:
I’m waiting for Fred’s comparison against the smaller, faster, cheaper Cv 35 1.4 v2


I will do a resolution and rendering test comparing the new CV 35/1.5 Nokton to the CV 35/1.4 Nokton and Leica 35/1.4 FLE.



Nov 28, 2022 at 11:45 PM
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p.16 #7Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


Nice comparison. For my taste the leica has a more 3D like look. But the bokeh on the CV is better. I am happy that I ordered the CV and not the Lux. For the extra money of the Leica I could buy something else like a used M10. I will do a comparison between the 1.2 and the 1.5 using my M11 … But still dont know when my 1.5 will be delivered.

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nehemiahphoto wrote
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nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
BastianK wroteI think the blooming aroung those christmas tree lights is mostly SA.

With the triangle like defocused light points in the corners I think it is mostly Coma,
but astigmatism can play a role here, too. These two aberrations are generally hard to separate.
But in your picture with the scale on the left it sure looks like there is a noticable amount of astigmatism, too.

Especially on lenses with high vignetting I always found city lights to be a much bigger problem
in regards to Coma than stars though.
These lenses with 3-4 EV vignetting in the corners, stars in the corners are so dark, the coma doesn't really become that obvious.
It's definitely SA. If we get the 35/1.2 III and stop it down to f/1.5, we'd have a very similar look. I think the glow is pretty in the sample images though.
Maybe I am very mistaken, but this lens has a much more crisp feel--the SA is very minor, and much less than the 35/40/50 1.2 I've shot. And at all distances. Below are crops from a modded a7--I took a series at 1.5, f2 and 2.8. One with dark subjects, and one with brights that SA shows up on more in my experience a bit.

Then I included 3 actual photos, at different distances, all WO. You'll see there's very very minimal SA. Now that you have your review copy, I'll be curious to see what you think. If it is SA, I am confused why I see so little on axis, but the affect is very noticeable with OOF lights. What Bastian said makes sense more to me.
It's not the same as shooting with the CV 35/1.2 III wide open which would yield even stronger SA. The spherical aberration is better corrected on the new f/1.5 lens but it depends heavily on distance. The closer the more SA.
I've tested it side by side to the Leica 35/1.4 FLE and the Voigtlander is noticeably softer at closer distance. All this is expected though.
Yes, that's why I included different distances as I know that the distance can vary the SA, though from .7 to about 20 feet (and I assume infinite, I don't see any change) I am sure at absolute MFD I would see increased SA. I am curious to see your review and findings. And still curious about the affect!

Are you saying you tested the new 1.5, or the 35/1.2iii against the Lux FLE? I found the 35/1.2iii to have much more than this lens throughout the range.
My observations are based on this thread's samples so far. I have not yet tested the lens on the M body.
I did compare the CV 35/1.5 to the Leica 35/1.4 FLE briefly on the Sony. The Leica is sharper wide open (away from center) and the Voigtlander has smoother rendering + narrower field of view.

Here is a sample:




Nov 29, 2022 at 12:44 AM
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p.16 #8Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


Paul.S wrote:
BastianK wroteI think the blooming aroung those christmas tree lights is mostly SA.

With the triangle like defocused light points in the corners I think it is mostly Coma,
but astigmatism can play a role here, too.
Is it possible the coma is just the shape of the leaves with LoCa/sa instead of actual coma?


Not at all.



Nov 29, 2022 at 12:54 AM
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p.16 #9Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


Cheers Bastian, still learning, amazes me what you guys pick up.


Nov 29, 2022 at 01:24 AM
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p.16 #10Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


Meanwhile only the Type II is available in Germany and it seems the Type I will only be available in January
Guess I‘ll have to wait a little longer..



Nov 29, 2022 at 02:55 AM
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p.16 #11Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


fjablo wrote:
Meanwhile only the Type II is available in Germany and it seems the Type I will only be available in January
Guess I‘ll have to wait a little longer..


It's available! At least it seems so:
https://www.foto-erhardt.de/objektive/voigtlaender-objektive/voigtlaender-nokton-vintage-line-35mm-f1-5-m-bajonett.html



Nov 29, 2022 at 04:42 AM
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p.16 #12Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


mheine wrote:
It's available! At least it seems so:
https://www.foto-erhardt.de/objektive/voigtlaender-objektive/voigtlaender-nokton-vintage-line-35mm-f1-5-m-bajonett.html


Indeed. I ordered it.



Nov 29, 2022 at 06:02 AM
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p.16 #13Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


Does the 40mm pull up 35mm framelines?


Nov 29, 2022 at 06:56 AM
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p.16 #14Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


mheine wrote:
fjablo wroteMeanwhile only the Type II is available in Germany and it seems the Type I will only be available in January
Guess I‘ll have to wait a little longer..
It's available! At least it seems so:
https://www.foto-erhardt.de/objektive/voigtlaender-objektive/voigtlaender-nokton-vintage-line-35mm-f1-5-m-bajonett.html


Your example is Typ I and only orderable. (1-3 weeks for delivery)
Only Typ II is available in Germany



Nov 29, 2022 at 07:02 AM
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p.16 #15Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


EVIL_guy wrote:
https://www.foto-erhardt.de/objektive/voigtlaender-objektive/voigtlaender-nokton-vintage-line-35mm-f1-5-m-bajonett.html

Your example is Typ I and only orderable. (1-3 weeks for delivery)

When I ordered it, see above, it was "Lieferzeit: sofort lieferbar" so "available for immediate delivery".
I guess they had only a few in stock.




Nov 29, 2022 at 07:04 AM
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p.16 #16Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


EVIL_guy wrote:
mheine wrote
fjablo wroteMeanwhile only the Type II is available in Germany and it seems the Type I will only be available in January
Guess I‘ll have to wait a little longer..
It's available! At least it seems so:
https://www.foto-erhardt.de/objektive/voigtlaender-objektive/voigtlaender-nokton-vintage-line-35mm-f1-5-m-bajonett.html
Your example is Typ I and only orderable. (1-3 weeks for delivery)
Only Typ II is available in Germany


pmeheut is right, it was available but is now sold out. I ordered mine from a different site (Germany as well) and they only had one left in stock.



Nov 29, 2022 at 07:22 AM
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p.16 #17Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


pinewood wrote:
Fred's quick comparison looks promising. Is it typical for other VM lenses to have a narrower field of view? I think I remember that about the VM 35 1.4 as well.


Yes. At least at 35mm:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1778058/2

Edited on Nov 29, 2022 at 05:42 PM · View previous versions



Nov 29, 2022 at 09:37 AM
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p.16 #18Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


Anyone received an update from B&H? They're usually pretty quick with new releases.


Nov 29, 2022 at 01:56 PM
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p.16 #19Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


A few more from today on my M8.











PS how good is the color out of the M8? I'm blown away. Was taking these photos to have samples from the camera when I went to sell it, but these are making me think twice...



Nov 29, 2022 at 09:00 PM
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p.16 #20Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2


Fred Miranda wrote:
Desmolicious wroteI’m waiting for Fred’s comparison against the smaller, faster, cheaper Cv 35 1.4 v2
I will do a resolution and rendering test comparing the new CV 35/1.5 Nokton to the CV 35/1.4 Nokton and Leica 35/1.4 FLE.


Would be great to see ZM 35/1.4 being compared as well



Nov 29, 2022 at 10:04 PM





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