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Folks,

I've been holding off for the much-awaited XH-2 camera to come out before I bought into an X body (I am using a GFX system only for my digital at the moment). Now that it is out (or at least the S version is, ansd thus, we can see what the XH-2 body looks like), I won't be buying that camera. Not as long as there is (presumably) an XT-5 coming that will have proper SS, ISO, and exposure compensation dials...

Anyway, as part of assembling an X kit, I was looking into making a very lightweight kit with a single lens, a pair of lenses, or a triplet of lenses, all zooms.

1-Lens Kit
My impression is that there really isn't a good option for a single lens kit, because for my shooting style, I find I tend to use a 24mm (35mm equivalent) lens a lot, and there isn't a single wide range zoom that covers it and then goes reasonably long. The new Tamron somewhat comes close, but I'd much have preferred they end it at 200mm and go a few mm wider on the wide end. Plus, no aperture ring... Tamron, no cookie.

Fujifilm doesn't have anything that covers nearly that range. The best they have for an all-around is probably the 18-135mm lens. It's still not very wide and it is a lot smaller, so that would be much preferred over the Tamron. Not nearly as good if you happen to be a birder (which Im not, so no problem). It is WR and has OIS and an aperture ring. Much better... but it still doesn't really cover that 24mm focal length that I want. As a single lens, it might be the best choice.

2-Lens Kit
This is where I feel the Fujifilm lineup has somewhat of a problem... I feel that Fuji doesn't really have any good 2-lens kits that don't have either a good bit of focal length overlap, or have a gap in the crucial "normal" focal length range. I'd be strongly considering the 10-24 as the shorter lens... but then there isn't a lens that picks up at about that focal length and goes into the short telephoto range. You either overlap with it using the same 18-135mm lens from above, or you jump to the 55-200mm lens. (I'm skipping all the f2.8 lenses for size/weight.) Or, you could go for the 70-300mm if you were more of a birder. But the gap from 24mm to 55mm or 70mm is massive and I probably shoot 60% of my images in that range. So this just isn't a good solution.

That leaves the 10-24 and 18-135 option as the only option...

3-Lens Kit
This approach becomes much easier and there are multiple different approaches to this, depending on what you like to shoot...
8-16 / 16-55 / 50-140 if you want the f2.8 lenses
10-24 / 16-80 / 70-300 as one option
10-24 / 16-55 / 70-300 as another
10-24 / 16-80 / 100-400 or similar for the long telephoto options if you are more of a birder or shoot animals.

I don't normally shoot longer than about 300mm (35mm equivalent) so I'd probably choose a fifth option:
10-24 / 18-55 / 55-200

That would be about the lightest 3-Lens package that you could put together. However, I'm really much more interested in trying to get a 2-Lens kit or 1-Lens kit that will do a sufficient job while being even smaller and lighter.

So, what would you be choosing for 1-Lens, 2-Lens, and 3-Lens kits for the Fujifilm X system and why?



Aug 30, 2022 at 02:08 PM
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p.1 #2 · Best 1-lens, 2-lens, 3-les kits for a lightweight travel / adventure kit?


Based on what you said, you've really only got one option, a 3-lens kit:

10-24
18-55
55-200

Happy shooting!



Aug 30, 2022 at 03:53 PM
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One lens = 16-55mm. If its too heavy for you (It is very heavy), the 18-55mm. Or be free and just take a single prime 18mm, 23mm, or 35mm.

Two lens = 10-24mm and 55-200mm. I would have to sneak a 35mm f/2 into the bag (two and half lens kit)

Three lens = 10-24mm, 18-55mm, and 55-200mm



Aug 30, 2022 at 09:18 PM
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I’d be looking at either of the 23mm primes. Probably the 1.4. Then looking at the 18-55 or the 18-135 or maybe the 16-80 f4.

I run a three 3 lens travel kit with the 35 1.4 for indoor lowlight and posed family shots. Also works well if I only want 1 lens. Then I also have the 18-55 and the 55-200. Depending I may swap out the 18-55 for the 16-55.

Another option if I am carrying 3 lenses is to go with the 35, 18-55 or 16-55, and the 90. Whenever possible I take photos with the 90. It’s just that good.



Aug 31, 2022 at 05:35 AM
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I don’t know anything about this particular lens but I like the range and speed.

https://www.glazerscamera.com/blogs/blog/hands-on-with-the-tamron-17-70mm-f-2-8-for-fujifilm-x-mount



Aug 31, 2022 at 09:14 AM
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There is another option for a two-lens kit:

10-24
new 18-120 f4 PZ

Downsides to the PZ is that it does not have an aperture ring on the lens, and is physically longer than most other Fuji lenses by virtue of being internally extending. But it is pretty light, much lighter than the 16-55 f2.8. It will start shipping on 9/15 and I suspect buyers will encounter difficulty finding it in-stock, so it might be better as a purchase down the line.




Aug 31, 2022 at 09:57 AM
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There is never a perfect answer, one that covers all possible situations, that doesn't require too many lenses or lenses that are two large, or which doesn't compromise something. In the end, all lens choices are compromises, and no matter what you use there will be some situations in which something else would have been better.

In particular, a one-lens system is going to necessarily leave you short in some way or ways. But one thing I've discovered over the years is that you can learn to "see with the lens you have" when it is the only one you carry. Back when I sometimes traveled with as many as nine (!) lenses for landscape photography I once spent a week in the Sierra Nevada backcountry with only one lens, a 24-105mm f/4 lens on a full frame body. Sure, there were situations where I might have used a longer or shorter focal length lens had one been available — but instead I found different ways to approach the subject and I didn't really feel constrained. Actually, I felt liberated. (Sort of like a recent trip where I shot a XPro2 with just the 27mm f/2.8 over a 12-day period in both urban and rural situations.)

Since no one-lens system can do everything, the more important question is what lens can do most everything and which lens aligns with what you shoot most.

So, my first recommendation for a one-lens system that will provide excellent image quality is either the 18-55mm "kit" lens (which is an excellent lens, by the way) or the larger, heavier, and more expensive 16-55mm f/2.8. I've used both and like them, and I've used just the 16-55 in the backcountry. If you don't think that they have enough range and you still want a one-lens system, you can consider one of those larger range zooms and give up some aperture and, arguable, some optical quality.

With a two-lens system there are a few good options. A high-end approach is to combine the 16-55mm f/2.8 with the 50-140mm f/2.8 and a 1.4x teleconverter. The latter addition gets you to 210mm at f/4 with excellent IQ, and that is angle-of-view equivalent to using a lens with a focal length of close to 300mm. On rare occasions when 16mm might not be enough, in at least some situations you can stitch.

And alternative two-lens system might use either the 55-200mm or the 70-300mm zooms in stead of the 50-150. The main plus of the first option are much smaller size and a focal length ranger close to what you get with the TC on the 50-140. (My experience with the 55-200mm lens was mixed. It can be quite good and its smaller size/weight are virtues for travel, though I felt that it didn't AF well at the long end with low contrast subjects and I did not fully trust its build quality.) The 70-300 gives you more reach (a LOT of reach, actually) at the expense of a small gap between 55mm and 70mm. Here you'll have to weigh the plus/minus of longer reach versus small gap.

A really small and light system with a lot of focal length versatility is the 18-55 plus the 55-200 (or possibly the 70-300). Using the 16-55 f/2.8 instead of the 18-55 gives you a bit more wide angle and a constant f/2.8 and the cost of size, weight, and... cost. Swapping in the 50-140 gives you two constant-aperture zooms at f/2.8...

There are a ton of three-lens options...

Dan

mjm6 wrote:
Folks,

I've been holding off for the much-awaited XH-2 camera to come out before I bought into an X body (I am using a GFX system only for my digital at the moment). Now that it is out (or at least the S version is, ansd thus, we can see what the XH-2 body looks like), I won't be buying that camera. Not as long as there is (presumably) an XT-5 coming that will have proper SS, ISO, and exposure compensation dials...

Anyway, as part of assembling an X kit, I was looking into making a very lightweight kit with a single
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Aug 31, 2022 at 04:08 PM
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p.1 #8 · Best 1-lens, 2-lens, 3-les kits for a lightweight travel / adventure kit?


The Tamron 18-300mm is a jack of all trades, master of none, but it has better image quality than one would expect, and can absolutely live on the camera. Throw in a 10-24 for the wide stuff.

I know you discounted it in the OP, but I think it's worth renting. I rented it for a trip to Hawaii, and bought it when I got back.

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Aug 31, 2022 at 08:03 PM
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@gdanmitchell

The OP needs a lens wider than 18-55. So that means this lens alone cannot define the kit.

The OP also doesn’t want the f2.8 lenses (16-55, 50-140) because they are too heavy.




Aug 31, 2022 at 11:21 PM
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mdude85 wrote:
@gdanmitchell@

The OP needs a lens wider than 18-55. So that means this lens alone cannot define the kit.

The OP also doesn’t want the f2.8 lenses (16-55, 50-140) because they are too heavy.



That's why I outlined a range of options. Also, frequently when someone posts a question here that limits the options... it is useful for them to consider the reasons that the limits may not be the ideal way to go.

In the end, if the OP doesn't think that the ideal set of lenses is available for this platform he is free to pick another one.

FWIW...

Dan



Aug 31, 2022 at 11:47 PM
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Right now, my 3 lens travel kit is going to be the 16 f/2.8, 23 f/2 and 50 f/2 and an X-E3.


Sep 01, 2022 at 04:44 PM
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Thanks for the feedback everyone...

I am shooting more film these days and so I just don't want to be packing the full GFX system. I figure I can use a compact X kit to work in support of the Hasselblad as the main system so I'm just trying to figure out what that kit could look like.

I do like the simplicity of a few fixed focal length lenses, but that is what I have with the 501C so I think that a zoom or two is probably a better way to expand on the capabilities of the film gear without it being a whole second system to be carrying around. I already have that in the GFX kit.

I have time to resolve this, but I'm beginning the thinking about it now so that when the time comes next spring, I can move to assemble the gear withotu too much difficulty.

Some people here may be familiar with a photographer named Andy Mumford on YT. He shoots primarily with the X System (but has been exploring the GFX recently) and shows that clearly great landscape images can be made from this lowly gear. His shooting is nothing like what I do, but his decision-making process for lenses, etc. is precisely what I am aiming for, but maybe even more aggressive because I want this to supplement the Hasselblad kit.



Sep 01, 2022 at 06:46 PM
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Earlier I wrote some general stuff about various approaches to putting together a set of lenses for a Fujifilm APS-C system... but I didn't actually say much about what I do. If you aren't interested in this... you can stop reading right here. :-)

My main use of my XPro2-based system is street and travel photography, which means that my needs and preferences may be quit different from yours. Consequently, what works really well for me could be useful to others... or entirely the wrong approach.

For street and travel photography I rely exclusively on prime lenses. I won't go into the specific reasons for this unless someone wants to know more about that choice.

When I stick to only one lens for this purpose, it is the little 27mm f/2.8 v.2 lens. I recently returned from almost two weeks of travel, first four days in Manhattan and then a week in Southwestern Vermont... and on this trip I relied on this lens almost exclusively. This lens/camera combination is very flexible, fits into a small shoulder bag that doesn't shout "camera-toting tourist," and produce excellent image quality.

I usually add two other lenses to the bag for this kind of shooting. They are the 14mm f/2.8 and the 90mm f/2. The 14mm is one of Fujifilm's very best APS-C lenses, and it is wide enough for most situations where the 27mm doesn't cut it. The 90mm lens is long enough to cover a lot of telephoto needs for the subjects I encounter, and it can also be very useful for tight portraits.

(I also do a lot of night street photography without a tripod, so I may also have 23mm and 35mm f/1.4 lenses with me. They stay in the hotel safe until I head out at night, at which point I leave those other lenses behind.)

I also use the XPro2 for a completely different sort of photography at times. It is my secondary system when I'm shooting my full frame system, usually for landscape or wildlife. For these purposes I typical bring the 16-55mm f/2.8 and the 50-140mm f/2.8 lenses. That focal length range covers a lot of ground. It isn't often that I need wider than 16mm for landscape-style subjects, and 140mm is usually long enough. (When wildlife is the subject usually am using the FF system for that, and the Fujifilm comes out for quick landscapes.) I have not added the 1/4x TC, though I've been meaning to.

To turn this into a three-lens system for my purposes I frequently add the 80mm f/2.8 macro to the two zooms. That is a great lens, and the XPro2/macro lens combo is my "go-to" for macro work.

Not implying that these are ideal setups for anyone else, but they work really well for me.

YMMV.

Dan



Sep 02, 2022 at 08:55 AM
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mjm6 after reading your post I can advise that your lens preference for all zooms, with no red label f/2.8s, coupled with the upcoming 40MP sensor is incompatible.

The lenses you are gravitating to, and being recommended here by others, are simply not up to the task of 40MP performance requirements. Save yourself some $ and purchase a Fuji X-T4 and use the extra funds for glass.

Given your preference for zooms, this is a list of Fuji lenses that will "likely" meet the 40MP sensor performance and be worthy of the extra cost to purchase a X-H2 or future X-T5:

- XF 8-16/2.8
- XF 16-55/2.8

Beyond that only the very-very best of XF primes will perform with the 40MP standard. For you, in the telephoto range that could be the 50/2.0(?), 56/1.2, 80/2.8, 90/2.0 and 200/2.0.




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goodbokeh wrote:
The lenses you are gravitating to, and being recommended here by others, are simply not up to the task of 40MP performance requirements. Save yourself some $ and purchase a Fuji X-T4 and use the extra funds for glass.


Hm the way you describe it is not how optical systems work. System resolution is the multiplication of lens MTF x sensor MTF. I.e. a good lens on 26mp will not suddenly be a bad, inadequate lens on 40mp. Most current Fuji lenses will be just fine esp. when stopped down a bit, with a few exceptions that are already not that great (e.g the 18mm f2).

In addition to the Fuji, I also have a 45mp Nikon with a variety of glass from new Z mount to old 1960s Nikkors and based on the experience with them, I’d say these comments about lens performance vs sensor resolution are 100% overblown with little practical relevance.

I also think this thread is an example of trying to over-optimize, trying to cover all bases. A few compromises - such as gaps in focal lengths covered - would make the choice easier, the kit lighter and/or better without a meaningful impact on the actual images.

On topic: a 2 lens travel kit for me would probably be 10-24mm + 55-200mm OR 23mm f/1.4 + 50mm f/2 (or a mix of both)



Sep 03, 2022 at 03:53 AM
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goodbokeh wrote:
The lenses you are gravitating to, and being recommended here by others, are simply not up to the task of 40MP performance requirements. Save yourself some $ and purchase a Fuji X-T4 and use the extra funds for glass.


Hoo boy.

It isn't quite that simple.

First off, "up to the task of 40MP performance" is a more nuanced notion than some may think. As a starting point, there was an article a year or two ago (perhaps a Roger Cicala post?) pointing out that virtually any camera benefits from a higher MP sensor. (There are some caveats to this, too, that I'll get to.)

One issue is that lens performance isn't a single thing. It varies at different apertures and it varies across the frame. Center performance at f/5.6 may be quite different than corner performance at f/1.4, and so on.

A second issue is that lens and sensor performance can never actually be equal. The first issue is, as above, that the lens performance depends a lot on where you measure. But even assuming a hypothetical/imaginary perfectly consistent lens performance across the frame at all apertures, lens and sensor resolution will never be equal. So, which is better... a lens that out-resolves the sensor or a sensor that out-resolves the lens?

I'd rather have the latter. First, in real world scenarios, if my lens is optimal at some aperture in the center of the frame, regardless of corner performance at other apertures, I'd like a sensor that can resolve the best that my best lens can deliver. Second, there are potential advantages from a higher MP sensor besides just image resolution. For example, "noise grain" will be smaller and at least a bit less noticeable, and there is the potential for smoother gradients.

Beyond this, if we imagine that a person is setting up a travel kit with some lenses that may compromise resolution a bit — say larger focal length range zooms — that same photographer may still want to use higher resolution lenses in other situations.

To make things a bit more complex, a lower resolution camera such as the XT4 or others using the 26MP sensor may well provide more than enough resolution for the typical user, particularly if he/she isn't making quite large prints. So it is worth considering whether such a camera could be more cost effective than getting the very latest thing.

A final point: when the decision points are complex and multi-faceted, I'm not sure it is helpful to just offer over-simplified generalizations allong the lines of (to paraphrase) "these lenses aren't good enough for 40MP..."

fjablo wrote:
I also think this thread is an example of trying to over-optimize, trying to cover all bases. A few compromises - such as gaps in focal lengths covered - would make the choice easier, the kit lighter and/or better without a meaningful impact on the actual images.


I strongly agree. Lots of folks have a sort of photographic FOMO response when it comes to gear, especially gear for travel. "But what if something appears that I can only photograph with my 600mm telephoto? Or my 10mm zoom? Or my macro? Or my f/1.0 lens? I'd better take all of them!"

Here's the thing. We will always miss some photographs, for a whole range of reasons, most of which don't have to do with the particular gear we carry. In addition, if we burden ourselves with too much gear — and too many options — this can, at least with travel and similar photography, actually interfere with our photography and result in... missing out!

One of the reasons that I prefer small primes for travel and street photography is that I'm slightly less visible as "tourist photographer with big zoom lens," which often means that I can photograph subjects and scenes without overly affecting the appearance of those subjects. The smaller and lighter gear also makes me more mobile and lets me work faster and move around more easily... giving me more photographic opportunities.

Dan



Sep 03, 2022 at 09:56 AM
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I'll stand by my observations of which XF lenses are appropriate for the new 40MP sensor. The OP is starting the XF system with a clean slate and deserves to not be burdened with underperforming glass. This new 40MP sensor will be the equivalent of a full frame resolution of 93MP. That sensor is going to demand the very best glass to extract it's performance capacity.

Like me, the OP uses a GFX camera and is accustomed to the performance level of GF lenses. If you don't think he's going to spot serious shortcomings with lenses like the 10-24 or 55-200 that is wishful thinking and not good advice.



Sep 03, 2022 at 12:13 PM
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I have the following lenses to choose from: 10-24/4; 16/2.8; 23/2; 35/2; 50/2; and, 55-200. I pick and choose one, two, or three lenses to use based on subject and whether I feel like using a zoom or primes.

Personally I'm not a fan of mid-range zooms. What I would choose may not much help to you because I tend to prefer wide/telephoto zooms and just a prime (or two) in the mid-range.

You seem to shoot a lot in the mid-range. With that in mind I'd start with the 18-55 and fill out other lenses as needed. Either the 14/2.8 or 16/2.8 should work as light, wide alternatives if you don't want the 10-24. Your telephoto options are essentially limited to a 55-200 or 70-300. Pick one. Or grab a 90 if you don't want a zoom.

The 16-80 or 18-135 are other possibilities if you just want a one lens option.




Sep 04, 2022 at 10:48 AM
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I find that the 16-80 and the 70-300 make a solid 2-lens kit for most of my personal work. I'll sometimes toss in an f/1.4 prime as the third lens depending on where we are going. This covers me for landscape work (when I don't need the GFX kit), general travel and tourist photography, and even some event coverage at work.

For urban travel I'll take a small body and an 18mm or 23mm prime.



Sep 05, 2022 at 07:20 AM
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THanks for the notes everyone... there's obviously a lot of ways to go with something like this and a blend of zoom and fixed could work well, especially if the fixed is a nice, compact wide angle lens.

That's essentially what I have with my GFX setup (when travelling without the full lens assortment that I have). I have the 23mm, 32-64mm and then the 100-200mm, which makes a quite complete range of coverage (with gaps, of course).

I'm not too concerned about the lenses note being able to resolve the new sensor. I con't believe most lenses are resolveing the sensor in the corners now anyway, and I do suspect that most of the good ones will still be able to in the center. However, most of the time, I don't need anywhere near 40MP (or 50MP in my GFX). It's nice for cropping and for the extremenly rare time that might want to go large, I guess it does offer that.

However, I consider the XT4 to be a serious step back from the XT3 in some aspects (and a step forward in others, of course). I beleive that it is/was a transitional camera that merged the XT and the XH lines a litte because Fujifilm decided to not introduce a newer XH body until the new sensors had dropped. Because of this, they made a camera with the worst of choices from my perspective; a flippy screen which basically negates compromises the use of an L-bracket for the camera, and the L-bracket essentially compromises the tilt functionof the screen (which I do occassionally use on my GFX cameras).

I don't know what the XT5 is going to look like, but I'm hopeful that they won't completely destroy it by putting a PASM dial on it and keeping the idiotic (for a photographer) selfie-screen... Since the XH cameras clearly have those video-centric features, I'm expecting that the XT5 won't. if it does, Fujifilm may lose me as a customer for this small (APS) camera because I specifically want traditional knobs/dials and don't want the selfie screen. With that, they easily win the feature set decisions for me in addition to my general familiarity with the Fujifilm interface similarities with the GFX cameras.

But without that, the XT5 is just another camera amongst several companies who offer good quality cameras that doesn't meet my needs exactly and I will have to weigt the merits of each of them. At that point, I think Fujifilm will probably lose to someone else.



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