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Archive 2022 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

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Was just browsing for pancakes again for the M and came across these:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09STLV8GB?psc=1&smid=A2BYA04VK3VH74&ref

They have a 24 6.3 (pancake) and a 40 5.6 and seem to incorporate good optics for a reasonable price for daytime walkarounds.

I ordered both and will test. They even market the 40 as covering the 33x44 sensor completely, so I am optimistic about its performance on the M10M.

They both have rangefinder coupling it looks like, so I'll report how accurate it is out of the box.

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They seem to have some interesting lenses like a FF 50mm f/1.4 15 degree spinning tilt-shift, 85 TS, and a 75mm native G-mount lens coming for GFX.

Just saw their website from Thom Hogan's site:

Info: https://www.astrhori.com/yptk2

Aug 12, 2022 at 10:15 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

The 24mm lens has a fixed aperture?

Aug 12, 2022 at 06:03 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

ftllens wrote:
Was just browsing for pancakes again for the M and came across these:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09STLV8GB?psc=1&smid=A2BYA04VK3VH74&ref

They have a 24 6.3 (pancake) and a 40 5.6 and seem to incorporate good optics for a reasonable price for daytime walkarounds.

I ordered both and will test. They even market the 40 as covering the 33x44 sensor completely, so I am optimistic about its performance on the M10M.

They both have rangefinder coupling it looks like, so I'll report how accurate it is out of the box.

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They seem to have some interesting lenses like a FF 50mm f/1.4 15 degree spinning tilt-shift, 85 TS, and a 75mm native...Show more →

I'll be very interested to hear what you think of the 40. I'm not thrilled with the five straight aperture blades, but if it lives up to the MTFs and is relatively distortion-free, then I may have to pick one up. It'd be nice to have a little lens that can be useful on both my a7rII and 50sII.

The 50/1.4 is a nice lens. Shot straight, it's a strong little fifty and then you get all the fun of a Lensbaby Composer like bellows for tilted shots. The 85 is less fun. It's a decent 85 shot straight, but the IC won't cover the FF when fully tilted and they recommend changing to APS-C mode. Despite the word being used in their advertising, neither lens supports any kind of shift. They also offer an inexpensive pair in their 35/1.8 and 50/2. I haven't used either, but I've heard they're strong values for the money.

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Aug 13, 2022 at 01:48 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

I think the 24 is fixed aperture, they are coming in tomorrow I think so I'll see what they can do.

The 40 I am more interested as well, but decided to try both. I asked for samples regarding 24 coverage of GFX and surprisingly they had some on file and sent to me right away (hard vignette so about 1:1 ratio coverage only)

Aug 13, 2022 at 01:51 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

That 24 looks like it could be fun. Not sure about the 40, as I seem to be well covered there at the moment - I have 2 of the 3 available 40s from Voigtlander at the moment.

Aug 13, 2022 at 09:06 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

I just got the lenses, short first impression:

-packaging isn't premium but packed very well and safe, everything shown on the amazon listing came (cleaning kit, kingston sd card, leatherette carry pouch)
-both are very lightweight, even the 40 which is much bigger than the 24 is very lightweight. 24 feels almost like nothing.
-24 only lets you do auto lens detection or off, 40 lets you do all (m10m)
-24 has a weird focus drift thing if you let go of the focus tab 1/8 of a rotation away from INF and it ghost-turns towards MFD (is the RF gearing doing this?), 40 has no such quirk
-40 has stepless aperture ring which could be an issue if you have bigger fingers. i haven't seen if you can make it stepped. 24 is fixed aperture
-24 has heavier damped focus ring, while the 40 is faster and smoother
-both seem to be well calibrated for the RF on m10m right out of the both (they do include the little tool for adjustments). i haven't checked for INF yet
-both seem pretty sharp and low-distortion from what I can see
-40 seems to flare with strong direct light source on side of frame, covered with hand no problem tho

after my nap i will take mount them on gfx and see if they resolve okay

how it looks on m10m:

pouch is nice

Aug 13, 2022 at 07:31 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

I'm going to return the 24, but the 40 I'm beginning to bond with lol

below just close sample compared to gf45 on gfx100

i set the astrhori to f/22 and INF and it indeed had full sensor coverage. gonna test outside later though

EDIT: well, the resolution seems fine but the veiling flare/glare thing is kind of annoying lol still i want it to work but not sure if a hood will fix it since i had to throw my hand far off angle to remove some of it. ill probably keep it for the m10m but maybe just stick with native for gfx

looks perfect with the TTA adapter

gf 45 5.6

astr 40 5.6

gf 45 5.6 100% crop

astr 40 5.6 100% crop

Aug 14, 2022 at 09:04 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

I went ahead and took some fast shots this morning (mosquitos not worth) to quick compare to GF45:

-GFX100
-ISO 640
-SS Auto
-IBIS ON Handheld
-ES
-C1 22, default, only WB match (clicked in center gray area)

NOTE: It does cover the full sensor just so, thus if you have IBIS on and you're moving around it will introduce vignette due to the image circle moving.

GF45 had a UV filter that could have affected sharpness/WB but it's close enough

Basically, resolution seems to be on par with what they claim. GF45 is better if you 420% pixel peep. I didn't crop any of the edges or corners, but basically they are the same as the GF45 (seem sharper due to more DoF).

astr 40 5.6

astr 40 5.6 crop

gf 45 5.6 crop

gf 45 5.6

gf 45 11

gf 45 5.6 crop

gf 45 11 crop

astr 40 5.6

astr 40 11

astr 40 5.6 crop

astr 40 11 crop

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Aug 15, 2022 at 09:54 AM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

and yes, technically the GF45 resolves better but come on lol

this thing is tiny and its only weakness seems to be really bad veiling flare/glare/cast when there is stray light. otherwise it's pretty awesome for the price/performance.

i'm not gonna bother testing it on the m10m, cause i know itll perform even better on there if it's this good on the gfx100.

also posted sunstars kinda for those interested

astr 1000000% crop

gf45 1000000% crop

5.6

Aug 15, 2022 at 09:58 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

yeah, the sun shifting affects stuff more than anything lol

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Aug 15, 2022 at 12:06 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

Industar 50-2 at f5.6

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Aug 15, 2022 at 12:54 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

the industar is a good lens, but i can't mount it on my rangefinder and it doesn't look as modern, that adapter must be heavier than the lens lol

Aug 15, 2022 at 01:05 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

ftllens wrote:
the industar is a good lens, but i can't mount it on my rangefinder and it doesn't look as modern, that adapter must be heavier than the lens lol

adapter 80gr weight and lens 70gr. ,but im got zenitar 50/2 mc m2s lens. weight 190gr 46mm filter and sharp from f2 https://allphotolenses.com/lenses/item/c_2570.html also have sharp from f2 helios-44m-7, but weight 250gr and 52mm filter

yesterday received super takumar 50/1.4 8element lens 49mm filter weight 245gr small boy

Aug 15, 2022 at 03:17 PM

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ftllens wrote:
and yes, technically the GF45 resolves better but come on lol

this thing is tiny and its only weakness seems to be really bad veiling flare/glare/cast when there is stray light. otherwise it's pretty awesome for the price/performance.

i'm not gonna bother testing it on the m10m, cause i know itll perform even better on there if it's this good on the gfx100.

also posted sunstars kinda for those interested

For $250 and less than 200g, I'm not seeing a lot to complain about. If I already had an M-to-GFX adapter that I'd tested square, I could see making this an impulse purchase and figure out how useful it'll be as I go.

I don't think flare reduction is a high priority for them in general. It can be a problem for both the tilt lenses and, from what I've seen in reviews, the 35/1.8 and 50/2. My assumption is they're sourcing their optics as cheaply as possible with little regard for killing internal reflections. It's not the worst trade-off made in budget lenses.

Aug 15, 2022 at 10:28 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

Yeah, it's not that bad btw, but you will notice it in heavy direct side lighting for example. I did some tests on the M10M and indeed it's APO sharpness level.

Aug 16, 2022 at 08:39 AM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

two below one shows worse example of veil/flare/glare from side direct light

second one is 24 but i didnt shoot cause the focusing drift thing but it was sharp

Aug 16, 2022 at 02:02 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

RockStar 40mm F5.6 it is same astrhori?

Aug 16, 2022 at 02:41 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

yeah it's same brand. i found the front diameter is unnecessarily huge, so i ordered a 46mm-37mm step down ring and i dont think it'll affect coverage on 44x33 sensor. it might help with the side flare thing too

oh wait i forgot about the IBIS thing oh well lol

Aug 16, 2022 at 03:15 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

ftllens wrote:
yeah it's same brand. i found the front diameter is unnecessarily huge, so i ordered a 46mm-37mm step down ring and i dont think it'll affect coverage on 44x33 sensor. it might help with the side flare thing too

oh wait i forgot about the IBIS thing oh well lol

not affect but more weight to setup

,but gfx100s heavy camera,for gfx50r im investigate lowest weight fast lens for travel in mountain. industar 50-2 or this setup as you have

Aug 17, 2022 at 07:46 AM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · AstrHori 24mm and 40mm pancake for Leica M

well ill test it and see if it affects coverage on movement and if it helps suppress

Aug 17, 2022 at 08:21 AM

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