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I'm sorry, but given how affiliate relationships between vendors and individuals, etc. work, this doesn't really make a lot of sense.

From a purely practical point of view, the best thing that a general reviewer whose only goal is more affiliate sales can do is (mostly) super-positive "this will change your life!" reviews that get readers hyped up and convinced they need to buy that new thing. The shorter the turn-around from today's new thing to the next new thing, the better!

One doesn't get the affiliate sales spiff by persuading people to not buy things.

Along these lines, as you can probably see, from this particular perspective it also makes a lot of financial sense to persuade readers/viewers that not only is the new thing way better... but that the most expensive new thing is way, way better than the older, less expensive one they already own. So, while that XT4 was life-changing a couple of years ago, NOW you really, really need to get the XH2! Until the XT5 arrives, at which point it will be a better deal. ;-)

Again from a purely monetary affiliate perspective, the idea is to get people to buy _anything_ through your links — the camera, the lenses, leather cases, UV filters, tripods, "thumb rests," software, the occasional laptop or tablet, you name it.

The way this works is (as you point out) not really a secret. Basically, when you buy through a link on a participating website, the website or other provider gets a percentage of the sale. (I have a couple of affiliate relationships on my site, though I no longer push them. My recollection is that it is about a 3% rate in most cases.)

In fact, FM (and every discussion site I know of) also participates in these relationships.

Some folks act like this is somehow unethical or that the sites should not get any revenue. While it is possible to use the affiliate relationships in ways that are ethically questionable (we can locate examples pretty easily), in most cases the affiliates are not acting in unethical ways. In fact, some of them are the very individuals and websites we rely on for reviews and articles and other resources. If you like what they/we do... then it supports their ability to continue doing this.

And there are real costs to providing reviews and articles and so forth. Articles don't write themselves. Hosting companies require payment. Knowledge and perspectives have value. If your favorite internet site or person offers useful information that helps you make purchase decisions or become a better photographer, it seems like the decent thing to do to consider supporting them by purchasing through affiliate links. (The cost to the buyer is the same, whether they buy directly from the online vendor or through the links.)

Now about poor reviews... There are several reasons for them, and I'm not just writing about Fujifilm here.

1. Any honest, thorough reviewer is going to have some critical comments and observations to share about any product. Even great products have flaws. Noting those is not a "poor review." In fact, as a person reading a review, I would want the review to mention these things.

2. Some products really do have serious issues or may be unsuited to certain kinds of potential users. And occasionally a company does cough up a poorly designed or implemented product or one that has a functional flaw. In other cases there are legitimate questions to be asked about the usefulness or suitability of certain features.

3. Some reviewers do offer over-the-top and sometimes over-the-top-negative reviews that are unwarranted. They do this because it gets attention. This is an old, well-understood tactic. I first learned about it back in the early days of personal computers. There was a well-known computer writer by the name of John Dvorak. He was "renowned" for his over-the-top positive and negative reviews. The strategy was to get attention by creating conflict and by making wild claims. It is the old "no such thing as bad publicity" trick. In some cases he would write something inflammatory ab out Brand X, inciting angry reactions from Brand X partisans and gleeful responses from Brand X haters... only to take the opposite tack a few weeks later! It works! Perhaps you can think of a few names in the photography world who do something similar.

Finally, my own thoughts about the XH2, for what they are worth, include the following:

1. It is likely a well-designed and well-constructed camera that marks a step forward in several ways for Fujifilm APS-C systems.

2. I suspect that the two-sensor scheme here is not likely to last very long, and that Fujifilm will mostly settle on one for the XH2 and other of their upcoming APS-C sensor cameras, as they have consistently done for over a decade now. (My bet is on the 40MP sensor becoming the new standard, but we'll see.)

3. While it is clear to me that there are Fujifilm users who want a bigger and heavier APS-C camera, I am not convinced that there is a sufficient market for the XH2 any more than there was for the XH1, especially once newer versions of the XT and other cameras arrive.

Dan

Sauseschritt wrote:
I think its simply the classic example of Fujifilm consistently getting poor reviews from everybody, simply because these reviewers live from the revenue they get from these reviews and Fujifilm doesnt give the same revenue that you get from companies like Sony or Sigma.

Meaning if a shop sells a Fujifilm they make less profit than if you buy a Sony at the same price point, and thus the reviewer also gets less money if you buy a Fujifilm product from one of their links.

Ken Rockwell and Thom Hogan sometimes openly talk about how their links give them revenue. Ken Rockwell
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Jun 16, 2022 at 10:51 AM
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p.4 #2 · X-H2 and X-H2s


gdanmitchell wrote:
3. While it is clear to me that there are Fujifilm users who want a bigger and heavier APS-C camera, I am not convinced that there is a sufficient market for the XH2 any more than there was for the XH1, especially once newer versions of the XT and other cameras arrive.



I don't want a bigger and heavier camera - if the X-S10 could have the X-H2S specs in a smaller body that would be my preference - however I don't think that will happen and I will compromise for the speed of the X-H2S



Jun 16, 2022 at 11:22 AM
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The X-T4 weighs 526g. The X-H2S weighs 579g. If this makes a difference to your buying decision, all the power to you, but I think that is quite silly.

The X-H2S is lighter and smaller (both marginally) than the X-H1.

As to the “larger” camera, the only significant difference in their size between the X-T4 and X-H2S is their grip.

I don’t understand why there are being so many lengthy essays being written about the X-H2S market appeal.

It appeals to me, I’m buying it, along with a couple of Fujis prime lenses.

All of the gripes in this thread lead me to one basic question: what exactly do people want from an X-T5? What about this cameras release makes you feel like the things you want an X-T5 are at risk?












Jun 16, 2022 at 06:12 PM
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I have a X-T4. If I needed the video and FPS upgrade, I would totally buy a X-H2. I don't really care about dials since I shoot stills and videos in aperture priority and auto ISO, so I don't mess around with dials most of the time anyway. Little things like screen articulation, grip size, and EVF resolution aren't noticeable when I am actually shooting, either.


Jun 16, 2022 at 06:34 PM
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Jesse Evans wrote:
The X-T4 weighs 526g. The X-H2S weighs 579g. If this makes a difference to your buying decision, all the power to you, but I think that is quite silly.

The X-H2S is lighter and smaller (both marginally) than the X-H1.

As to the “larger” camera, the only significant difference in their size between the X-T4 and X-H2S is their grip.

I don’t understand why there are being so many lengthy essays being written about the X-H2S market appeal.

It appeals to me, I’m buying it, along with a couple of Fujis prime lenses.

All of the gripes in this thread
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It looks just like a mini 100S to me. I wonder if the envision people using the 100S and XH2 variants together they complement well, have the same battery and similar ergonomics/layout.



Jun 16, 2022 at 07:00 PM
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AZ Photo wrote:
I don't want a bigger and heavier camera - if the X-S10 could have the X-H2S specs in a smaller body that would be my preference - however I don't think that will happen and I will compromise for the speed of the X-H2S


Like you, I'll wait to see most if not all of the XH2 technology appear in a XT5 or XPro4. There's no guarantee, but that's how it played out with the XH1.

Jesse Evans wrote:
I don’t understand why there are being so many lengthy essays being written about the X-H2S market appeal.


No one made you read it.

All of the gripes in this thread lead me to one basic question: what exactly do people want from an X-T5? What about this cameras release makes you feel like the things you want an X-T5 are at risk?

"At risk?" I'm not sure where that comes from.

I'm more of an XPro photographer, though I'd consider an XT instead if the next XPro follows the XPro3 design. Why XT over XH? I have no need for any extra size, my video needs are very models (and likely to be met in an upgraded XT), I suspect that an XT5 will offer all of the features of the XH2 that I would be interested in (as the XT4 did relative to the XH1), I much prefer the manual interface to the PASM interface, and the price of the XT5 will likely be lower.

YMMV.

rbf_ wrote:
It looks just like a mini 100S to me. I wonder if the envision people using the 100S and XH2 variants together they complement well, have the same battery and similar ergonomics/layout.


I agree. Fujifilm is clearly going for that ergonomic approach in this camera.

Dan



Jun 16, 2022 at 07:45 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
"At risk?" I'm not sure where that comes from.



Well, there are several threads about the X-H2S, most of them are chock full of lengthy posts about how much of a mistake Fuji is making releasing this camera. I can only conclude they must believe this camera release is somehow harming the development of what they want Fuji to release.



Jun 16, 2022 at 10:28 PM
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Jesse Evans wrote:
Well, there are several threads about the X-H2S, most of them are chock full of lengthy posts about how much of a mistake Fuji is making releasing this camera. I can only conclude they must believe this camera release is somehow harming the development of what they want Fuji to release.


I don't see a single post other than yours that suggests such a thing.



Jun 17, 2022 at 12:16 AM
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p.4 #9 · X-H2 and X-H2s


I agree. I owed the GFX 100S and I thought the same thing when I saw the H2S. Not to mention it helps reduce production cost for Fuji by using the same battery - which I appreciate.

rbf_ wrote:
It looks just like a mini 100S to me. I wonder if the envision people using the 100S and XH2 variants together they complement well, have the same battery and similar ergonomics/layout.




Jun 17, 2022 at 08:54 AM
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Jesse Evans wrote:
The X-T4 weighs 526g. The X-H2S weighs 579g. If this makes a difference to your buying decision, all the power to you, but I think that is quite silly.


You know me, I am quite opinionated on this. People should use the bathroom before going on a shoot, more weight saved.



Jun 17, 2022 at 09:02 AM
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Jesse Evans wrote:
As to the “larger” camera, the only significant difference in their size between the X-T4 and X-H2S is their grip.

I don’t understand why there are being so many lengthy essays being written about the X-H2S market appeal.

It appeals to me, I’m buying it, along with a couple of Fujis prime lenses.

All of the gripes in this thread lead me to one basic question: what exactly do people want from an X-T5? What about this cameras release makes you feel like the things you want an X-T5 are at risk?



I think the biggest difference between the next generation of XT camera and the XH2 will be price. The XT camera is likely to come in at around $1800-1900 (I suspect inflation and component shortages will lead to a price increase over the XT4) vs. $2500 for the XH2.

The XT camera will also likely continue with more manual dials as well as a shallower body overall (the XH2 is 50% thicker than the XT4... that might not seem like a big deal in-hand but it makes a difference when it's in the bag).




Jun 17, 2022 at 09:23 AM
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mdude85 wrote:
I think the biggest difference between the next generation of XT camera and the XH2 will be price. The XT camera is likely to come in at around $1800-1900 (I suspect inflation and component shortages will lead to a price increase over the XT4) vs. $2500 for the XH2.

The XT camera will also likely continue with more manual dials as well as a shallower body overall (the XH2 is 50% thicker than the XT4... that might not seem like a big deal in-hand but it makes a difference when it's in the bag).



Totally agree the X-T5 will keep the traditional X-T body style, and controls. Being freed up from fulfilling the video flagship role I would hope they return to the X-T3 style screen instead of the fully articulating design on the X-T4.

Regarding cost, I suspect that the X-T5 will not have a stacked sensor, rather it will have whatever sensor is in the X-H2 non-S variant, and they will cost about the same. The X-H1 was released before the X-T3. It was 2 years later that the X-T4 was released, and at that time the X-H1 was selling for $999 with a bundled grip. If they’re released in similar time windows with same feature set I don’t know what would justify a price difference.



Jun 17, 2022 at 10:11 AM
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Jesse Evans wrote:
It appeals to me, I’m buying it, along with a couple of Fujis prime lenses.



Same here. I do have my gripes about the camera, but the AF system and the layout similarity/battery compatibility with my GFX outweigh the negatives.



Jun 17, 2022 at 10:19 AM
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So we’re just pretending that half of the 17 page “XH2 will be PASM” thread wasn’t warrantless hand wringing that the XT line would be losing manual controls? Lol, OK.


Jun 17, 2022 at 11:48 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
So we’re just pretending that half of the 17 page “XH2 will be PASM” thread wasn’t warrantless hand wringing that the XT line would be losing manual controls? Lol, OK.


The dials on the XT4 are identical to those on the XT1. Maybe the XT5 will consolidate multiple dials (I'd love to see a combination shutter speed + ISO dial, introduced in the X100F). I'd be very surprised to see a PASM dial on the XT5.




Jun 17, 2022 at 01:11 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
So we’re just pretending that half of the 17 page “XH2 will be PASM” thread wasn’t warrantless hand wringing that the XT line would be losing manual controls? Lol, OK.


Who said that the XT5 would lose manual controls?



Jun 17, 2022 at 01:14 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
So we’re just pretending that half of the 17 page “XH2 will be PASM” thread wasn’t warrantless hand wringing that the XT line would be losing manual controls? Lol, OK.


Yes.



Jun 17, 2022 at 04:12 PM
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Fuji posted the manual was posted, and it resolves a question I had based on preview coverage. Some of them said new subject detection and/or eye af was not possible in video, but it is explicitly called out in the manual as supported. So yay.

https://fujifilm-dsc.com/en/manual/x-h2s/x-h2s_manual_en_s_f.pdf#page87



Jun 30, 2022 at 10:34 AM
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Sauseschritt wrote:
Thanks for the explanation of why the X-H2s is considered the better video camera. That makes sense.

But I would find it VERY odd if they introduce a 40 Megapixel model, but wouldnt give it 8K.

If you look at the history of Fujifilm:

- Used the 16 Megapixel sensor from Sony really until it was no longer available.

- Used the 24 Megapixel Sony sensor until better tech (backlit and dual gain) was available with the 26 Megapixel sensor

- Always said they arent about Megapixels.

Then really the only reason why they would have a 40 Megapixel sensor would be because you need that
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Think of it like other brands.

Sony has the A7 IV and the A7R IV
Nikon has the Z6 and Z7
Canon has the R5 and R6

The biggest differences in some of these are the size of the sensor.




Jul 05, 2022 at 12:26 PM
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amci4 wrote:
Think of it like other brands.

Sony has the A7 IV and the A7R IV
Nikon has the Z6 and Z7
Canon has the R5 and R6

The biggest differences in some of these are the size of the sensor.



By "size" I think you probably mean "resolution," right? That would be congruent with what Fujifilm may be attempting — two APS-C cameras with one optimized for higher resolution and the other for speed, etc.

The logic makes sense. I still wonder, though, if Fujifilm has a large enough market to support two versions of their new "flagship" camera with different sensors.

On one hand, as long as the rest of the internals are the same and the sensor is the only difference, they can avoid some of the production costs that might come otherwise... and perhaps the sensor option may increase the number of HX2-series cameras they sell.

On the other hand, there are some reasons for concern. Logic about sensor sizes aside, when the competition is all going with FF, it is a bit tougher to suggest to those who would go for the high end cameras that APS-C is a better option. And there's still that market size issue. Fujifilm's total market size is currently about 1/10 that of Canon and Sony combined. Unless they can pull a lot of photographers to these cameras from those brands, that doesn't leave a lot of potential buyers in this range, and being "as good as" the other guys isn't enough to encourage switchers — that takes "better than" options.

We'll see...



Jul 05, 2022 at 12:51 PM
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