My biggest hurdle is really me. I can’t decide to retire or not and why im reluctant to buy the A1. I’m also sick of renting several times a year. I’m in other cities and have to UBER to UPS and ship back and such. Overall its a hassle, not life and death stuff but one reason i got the A9II to buy is its the best cam for these gigs and the A1 as well. I think ill get the TC 1.4 and try that and still be 24mpx. THe 70-200 im ready to buy
Guy 24 to 33 isn’t much difference.
24 to 50 is ! You get to retain everything you love about a9II.
A1 it is, it will pay for itself in 3 months if not 1 month?
PS: The crop mode you talking about won’t sing on an a7IV at all
nandadevieast wrote:
Guy 24 to 33 isn’t much difference.
24 to 50 is ! You get to retain everything you love about a9II.
A1 it is, it will pay for itself in 3 months if not 1 month?
PS: The crop mode you talking about won’t sing on an a7IV at all
Having read your first post and seen your images here from time to time, I'd suggest the camera that I love:
A7R4
I'm also a pro and the extra megapixels are a great asset. Shooting in APS-C mode with the programmed C3 bottom on back of camera still yields 26.2 MP. It's plenty responsive and quick to focus if you have not shot with it previously.
nandadevieast wrote:
Guy 24 to 33 isn’t much difference.
24 to 50 is ! You get to retain everything you love about a9II.
A1 it is, it will pay for itself in 3 months if not 1 month?
PS: The crop mode you talking about won’t sing on an a7IV at all
Looking at the math....24mp to 33mp is 9mp. Ok super. Many are saying Sony should have gone with a 42mp sensor on the A7IV. Well...that's also 9mp difference from 33mp. 42 to 50 is 18mp. Ok, a pretty decent jump.
The A1 to A7RIV is 11mp in difference but not many are bringing that argument up.
Crop mode on the A7IV is a huge improvement over the 8mp crop of the A9/A9II/A7III. 15mp is far better than 8. And with an only a 9mp jump from 24 to 33.
The mega pixel discussion is gettting annoying. How much is enough? I can crop decently on my A7IV. More wiggle room than my A7III for sure. But with higher mega pixels, and I've tried the A7RIII and A7RIV, ones technique has to be spot on. Even with my A7IV, 100-400 with a teleconverter and using crop mode I can not keep the camera steady handhold. But that's me.
The A7RIV which I had for quite awhile I really cant use the way I want . I want electronic shutter with banding elimination with variable shutter and so does the A7IV but its mechanical mode only with LEDs. The A9II does that and so does the A1. No other Sony body can do that with electronic shutter. This way im not putting on at least 40K with mechanical shutter which after lets say 2 years it has 80K on it which no one would think about buying it used. Issue would be besides depreciation on it the use case would kill it. Even though I am making money im still running a business with ROI considerations. I have to think this way or I would have never made it for 45 years. The other factor is now given Covid and retirement looming im just not sure how much work there is and it dropped a lot and how much I want to stay in the game. 24MPX I can deal with no problem its the crop mode thats kinda killing it for me. Its just too small as sometimes and often I use these images for posters and such. But if I can stay at 24mpx and still achieve the crop of lets say the TC 1.4 than im ahead of the MPX count. IM buying the 70-200 anyway but I would just have to buy the TC and 500 bucks is peanuts to get back to 24mpx.
Hell id love a A1 no question but given everything im not so sure that 6500 is the smartest choice but im crazy enough to do it. Just hard to pull that trigger. If I had the A1 I would not have to buy the TC as crop mode is a healthy dose of MPX. That was just a cheap justification to spend money. ROTFLMAO
Im sure others are throwing a lot of this around. We need a A9III with 42mpx I agree. We lost all our 42mpx options as they are the dinosaurs
The one thing the A7IV has is its cheap 2400 bucks even on mechanical shutter use I can just give it away in 2 years. That was my original thought pattern
Jan 15, 2022 at 10:36 AM
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AZHeaven wrote:
Looking at the math....24mp to 33mp is 9mp. Ok super. Many are saying Sony should have gone with a 42mp sensor on the A7IV. Well...that's also 9mp difference from 33mp. 42 to 50 is 18mp. Ok, a pretty decent jump.
The A1 to A7RIV is 11mp in difference but not many are bringing that argument up.
Crop mode on the A7IV is a huge improvement over the 8mp crop of the A9/A9II/A7III. 15mp is far better than 8. And with an only a 9mp jump from 24 to 33.
The mega pixel discussion is gettting annoying. How much is enough? I can crop decently on my A7IV. More wiggle room than my A7III for sure. But with higher mega pixels, and I've tried the A7RIII and A7RIV, ones technique has to be spot on. Even with my A7IV, 100-400 with a teleconverter and using crop mode I can not keep the camera steady handhold. But that's me. ...Show more →
Ok, despite the typos one thing you have to keep in mind is that increases in MP need to get bigger to achieve the same effect as you get more MP. Think about it in terms of doubling of MP. In most cases you need to double the MPs before you have a clearly noticeable effect. So, 24 MP to 33 MP is actually a bigger jump than 33 MP to 42 MP which is a bigger jump than 50 to 61 MP (even though this is a bigger jump in the number of MP). All of these increases in MP are not very large, however. In contrast 24 MP to 42 MP is starting to be a much more noticeable jump in MP and 33 MP to 61 MP is going to be a noticeably jump, and 42 MP to something like 80 MP is going to be a noticeable jump, all of those would be of about the same magnitude.
Jan 15, 2022 at 11:03 AM
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GMPhotography wrote:
The A7RIV which I had for quite awhile I really cant use the way I want . I want electronic shutter with banding elimination with variable shutter and so does the A7IV but its mechanical mode only with LEDs. The A9II does that and so does the A1. No other Sony body can do that with electronic shutter. This way im not putting on at least 40K with mechanical shutter which after lets say 2 years it has 80K on it which no one would think about buying it used. Issue would be besides depreciation on it the use case would kill it. Even though I am making money im still running a business with ROI considerations. I have to think this way or I would have never made it for 45 years. The other factor is now given Covid and retirement looming im just not sure how much work there is and it dropped a lot and how much I want to stay in the game. 24MPX I can deal with no problem its the crop mode thats kinda killing it for me. Its just too small as sometimes and often I use these images for posters and such. But if I can stay at 24mpx and still achieve the crop of lets say the TC 1.4 than im ahead of the MPX count. IM buying the 70-200 anyway but I would just have to buy the TC and 500 bucks is peanuts to get back to 24mpx.
Hell id love a A1 no question but given everything im not so sure that 6500 is the smartest choice but im crazy enough to do it. Just hard to pull that trigger. If I had the A1 I would not have to buy the TC as crop mode is a healthy dose of MPX. That was just a cheap justification to spend money. ROTFLMAO
Im sure others are throwing a lot of this around. We need a A9III with 42mpx I agree. We lost all our 42mpx options as they are the dinosaurs
The one thing the A7IV has is its cheap 2400 bucks even on mechanical shutter use I can just give it away in 2 years. That was my original thought pattern...Show more →
Guy, I think the 1.4 TC approach makes tons of sense for you. You would have to do careful side by side testing to determine whether your 70-200 f/2.8 II plus TC on the A9 II or A1 in crop mode with the bare 70-200 f/2.8 II is better. Keep in mind you lose about a stop of dynamic range, you get the noise of using about a stop higher ISO, and you get about a stop more depth of field when you crop and how that compares to the optical loss of using the TC is hard to tell. It is not like the only loss in cropping is the resolution. You get losses across the board. I know you know all that, but I would add my speculation that the A9 II plus 1.4 TC might actually be better in this situation. The new Sony 1.4 TC is really really good. So is the 70-200 f/2.8 II, so the optical loss of using the TC is going to be about as small as it gets, and in looking at careful tests of these comparisons over the years as the TCs get better the TC plus lens beats cropping in most instances.
Steve I think that maybe a excellent test. I may just rent the A1 once I get the zoom and the TC and try that out. Certainly would more conclusive. I know this Sony TC is quite good and after renting the new 70-200 its just killer good. Im actually shocked how good the zoom is and I have said for years that zooms kinda suck and im eating crow now. But I know I was right back than , today the new zoom is killer good. The Dynamic range won't hurt me too much and I can get plenty of light especially the runway stuff because im the boss of the production booth.
These guys work hard to make our runway lights perfect. I have to think about our video crew as well. So thats all controlled
Gives me a reason to try the A1 which I know ME thats a big mistake.
GMPhotography wrote:
The A7RIV which I had for quite awhile I really cant use the way I want . I want electronic shutter with banding elimination with variable shutter and so does the A7IV but its mechanical mode only with LEDs. The A9II does that and so does the A1. No other Sony body can do that with electronic shutter. This way im not putting on at least 40K with mechanical shutter which after lets say 2 years it has 80K on it which no one would think about buying it used. Issue would be besides depreciation on it the use case would kill it. Even though I am making money im still running a business with ROI considerations. I have to think this way or I would have never made it for 45 years. The other factor is now given Covid and retirement looming im just not sure how much work there is and it dropped a lot and how much I want to stay in the game. 24MPX I can deal with no problem its the crop mode thats kinda killing it for me. Its just too small as sometimes and often I use these images for posters and such. But if I can stay at 24mpx and still achieve the crop of lets say the TC 1.4 than im ahead of the MPX count. IM buying the 70-200 anyway but I would just have to buy the TC and 500 bucks is peanuts to get back to 24mpx.
Hell id love a A1 no question but given everything im not so sure that 6500 is the smartest choice but im crazy enough to do it. Just hard to pull that trigger. If I had the A1 I would not have to buy the TC as crop mode is a healthy dose of MPX. That was just a cheap justification to spend money. ROTFLMAO
Im sure others are throwing a lot of this around. We need a A9III with 42mpx I agree. We lost all our 42mpx options as they are the dinosaurs
The one thing the A7IV has is its cheap 2400 bucks even on mechanical shutter use I can just give it away in 2 years. That was my original thought pattern...Show more →
If you need flash and want to minimize mechanical shutter use, invest in the A1. Flash in E-shutter is possible only with it, not with A7iv or A9ii. It is really fantastic in EVERY aspect. You gain a bit in DR, too. You have the ability to crop in, too, use lossless raws. Everything is fast. Absolutely fantastic camera.
Holger wrote:
If you need flash and want to minimize mechanical shutter use, invest in the A1. Flash in E-shutter is possible only with it, not with A7iv or A9ii. It is really fantastic in EVERY aspect. You gain a bit in DR, too. You have the ability to crop in, too, use lossless raws. Everything is fast. Absolutely fantastic camera.
Crap I did not know about flash in electronic mode. That would be handy for sure
GMPhotography wrote:
Lol I just got my Social Security approved. I’m retired now I guess. ROTFLMAO
Congratulations! Get the A1 already.
It’s like playing with illegal square groove Ping wedges, a too springy titanium driver face and a ball that goes too far but has incredible backspin and touch around the greens. And you make money with it? It’s a no brainer
I'm glad people are suggesting the option of the TC on the new 70-200 zoom. Good solution.
The only downside I can think of to that approach would be... do you often need to switch between "300mm" and 70mm? Or "300mm" and f/2.8? The snag to a TC is that you can't change to and from it in an instant like you can with a simple button-press to crop mode (or merely cropping in post) with a higher-resolution camera. You have to fumble around, detaching the camera from the lens and the TC from the lens, putting the TC down somewhere and then putting the lens back on the body.
It's a lot lot cheaper though! You could arguably buy a second camera and lens (or a second camera to use with a 2nd lens you already own) if you really had to, to have the combination of one dedicated TC'ed body and one dedicated f/2.8 (or short FL) body, rather than the A1! Though even that still wouldn't *quite* be as quick and seamless to switch back and forth with, in a split-second instant, as one single do-it-all body needing only a spin of the zoom ring / tap of the "crop mode" button. No idea whether that's relevant.
