cohenfive wrote:
It is a black hat with a big Z on the side/front, and nikon in the back. Nice hat. Mine is L/XL so it is likely too big for me. I might be amenable to parting with it....
If you want the hat, I'm giving it away to the person who buys my mint z 35mm f/1.8 s lens....
if you don't understand why f/6.3 was the wrong choice, or you can't see the backfocusing, you probably aren't the target market for a z9... regardless, my a9 could nail the face on that shot pretty easily with any aperture, so imho they probably used the wrong af settings on top of the wrong aperture... it is also possible that they ran into the mfd of the lens, you can't use ospdaf at mfd.
the only thing that dpr does right with galleries is post full-size pics, so you can get an honest look at the p.q., as opposed to looking at small pics embedded in youtube videos, or severely edited "examples" from the nikon fan club.
i know that some of those problems are not gear issues, so i would be very interested in a z9 based solely on years of first-hand experience with stacked sensors... i have faith that this z9 will rock with selected nikon lenses, if it somehow isn't up to a9/a9ii standards or better, they will tweak it with firmware releases, like they did with the other z-bodies... nikon is gonna deliver the goods on this z9.
if you don't understand why f/6.3 was the wrong choice, or you can't see the backfocusing, you probably aren't the target market for a z9... regardless, my a9 could nail the face on that shot pretty easily with any aperture, so imho they probably used the wrong af settings on top of the wrong aperture... it is also possible that they ran into the mfd of the lens, you can't use ospdaf at mfd.
the only thing that dpr does right with galleries is post full-size pics, so you can get an honest look at the p.q., as opposed to looking at small pics embedded in youtube videos, or severely edited "examples" from the nikon fan club.
i know that some of those problems are not gear issues, so i would be very interested in a z9 based solely on years of first-hand experience with stacked sensors... i have faith that this z9 will rock with selected nikon lenses, if it somehow isn't up to a9/a9ii standards or better, they will tweak it with firmware releases, like they did with the other z-bodies... nikon is gonna deliver the goods on this z9. ...Show more →
Z9 is not competing against a9/a9ii, but it is nice to see the Sony crowd change their tune from "Nikon is dead" to "But, but ... Sony is still faster". 🙏🏼
The fact that a bunch of Sony fans are busy in the Nikon forum, trying desperately to establish superiority, while no Nikon fan is in the Sony forum doing the reverse, also is quite revealing. The z9 sure rattled the confidence of many smug fans of other brands. One of the most talked about cameras .. has a lot of people excited. It's alright, Sony friends ... we still like you all.
yes, the ground in front of her foot is sharp, which means that it's severely front-focused, and at 1/2000th wide open it's not motion blur... most of those 500pf shots are problematic, no matter who shot it that day.
the nikon rep was there, but he apparently failed to tell dpr how to use the z9... nobody at dpr knows how to shoot action, plus it's a brand-new camera, the rep should have been chimping their work in the evf and correcting the settings... on the other hand, why isn't dpr competent enough to see blur in the evf, and ask for help?
The writer of the article is a wildlife photographer. In the article he focuses on how the new capabilities that the Z9 brings to the Nikon ecosystem is benefiting both his experience when shooting, and his work product. When he discusses specifications it is only in support of these two things, experience, and results.
His article covers many of the things I became so enthusiastic about when I got my first high performance, stacked sensor, mirrorless camera a few years ago. When these benefits were discussed in threads here on FM one of the big things that the DSLR enthusiasts would bring up is that having a camera with such advanced capabilities will not make one a better photographer. I never found the right words to explain how I thought it does make me a better photographer. This writer captured it perfectly:
"Is it going to make me, or anyone, a better photographer? Here’s what I think: come to the job with ideas, experience, creative skills, some nerve and daring and you bet it will."
He then goes on to explain and show examples of how the Z9 has in his opinion made him a better photographer.
Take a minute and read the article. If nothing else it will be an enjoyable diversion from the specification discussions, and looking at slightly out of focus images. In contrast this is a 100% positive piece. I have really enjoyed having these features in my shooting. I am very happy that my Nikon shooting friends will now also have access to these advanced capabilities.
The writer of the article is a wildlife photographer. In the article he focuses on how the new capabilities that the Z9 brings to the Nikon ecosystem is benefiting both his experience when shooting, and his work product. When he discusses specifications it is only in support of these two things, experience, and results.
His article covers many of the things I became so enthusiastic about when I got my first high performance, stacked sensor, mirrorless camera a few years ago. When these benefits were discussed in threads here on FM one of the big things that the DSLR enthusiasts would bring up is that having a camera with such advanced capabilities will not make one a better photographer. I never found the right words to explain how I thought it does make me a better photographer. This writer captured it perfectly:
"Is it going to make me, or anyone, a better photographer? Here’s what I think: come to the job with ideas, experience, creative skills, some nerve and daring and you bet it will."
He then goes on to explain and show examples of how the Z9 has in his opinion made him a better photographer.
Take a minute and read the article. If nothing else it will be an enjoyable diversion from the specification discussions, and looking at slightly out of focus images. In contrast this is a 100% positive piece. I have really enjoyed having these features in my shooting. I am very happy that my Nikon shooting friends will now also have access to these advanced capabilities. ...Show more →
I already read it. It is a good article, talking more about the camera experience vs only spec sheet stuff!!
bernardl wrote:
I am amused by this endless focus on the refresh rate of the EVF.
Refresh rate means nothing in itself.
A 120 hz EVF that is not fed with data at the right throughput will not offer a real 120 hz experience.
People having shot the Z9 and a1 side to side find the Z9 shooting experience for action to be the better one. The gap seems to be small and the a1 is obviously excellent.
Yet some here keep going back to this refresh rate spec. As if a spec were more important than the actual performance of the device.
No the question was raised for a few reasons. Firstly why is the specification not printed upfront like all the others. There shouldn't have to be speculation. Secondly it patently obvious the Z9 can supply the data more than fast enough since the scan speed is 1/270s, so for an EVF that is only about 1.2K in resolution it would easily accomodate even 120Hz refresh. The refresh is important for the smoothness of tracking fast objects. An EVF that only refreshed at 30Hz would offer a poor experience where panning would see a slide show effect. Now maybe at 60Hz (if it is only 60Hz) might be just enough for smooth liveview even when panning fast, but 120Hz would be even smoother. Of course there are other important metrics like clarity, DR, brightness that together are why the Z9 EVF is being praised. IMO a variable refresh solution that has popped up as what Nikon are doing would be ideal from a user experience and for battery life. No one has said well I not getting the Z9 because the EVF is only 60Hz. It's not a criticism it's just a matter of wanting to know all the ins and out of the camera.
if you don't understand why f/6.3 was the wrong choice, or you can't see the backfocusing, you probably aren't the target market for a z9... regardless, my a9 could nail the face on that shot pretty easily with any aperture, so imho they probably used the wrong af settings on top of the wrong aperture... it is also possible that they ran into the mfd of the lens, you can't use ospdaf at mfd.
the only thing that dpr does right with galleries is post full-size pics, so you can get an honest look at the p.q., as opposed to looking at small pics embedded in youtube videos, or severely edited "examples" from the nikon fan club.
i know that some of those problems are not gear issues, so i would be very interested in a z9 based solely on years of first-hand experience with stacked sensors... i have faith that this z9 will rock with selected nikon lenses, if it somehow isn't up to a9/a9ii standards or better, they will tweak it with firmware releases, like they did with the other z-bodies... nikon is gonna deliver the goods on this z9. ...Show more →
Certainly but how does that impact the objectivity of DPreview when they claim that the EVF of the Z9 is the best they have experienced?
bernardl wrote:
Certainly but how does that impact the objectivity of DPreview when they claim that the EVF of the Z9 is the best they have experienced?
Are they also unable to see?
Cheers,
Bernard
They have a long history of hyperbole around the latest product they review. They need headline statements to attract hits.
bernardl wrote:
Certainly but how does that impact the objectivity of DPreview when they claim that the EVF of the Z9 is the best they have experienced?
Are they also unable to see?
that's a good question, did they see the missed focus and blur in those photos they posted? think about it.
we have to ask ourselves, would you spend $5500-$6500 just to stare thru an evf, or would you buy it to get the best keeper ratios? is looking thru any stacked sensor evf more important than lens selection? or service in your country?
bernardl wrote:
I don’t think you understood what I wrote.
EVF refresh rate means nothing in itself. If you feed the exact same image to a 1000 fps EVF you will not be able to track any action at all, correct?
So even if the Z9 is 60 Hz and the a1 is 120 Hz this tells us absolutely nothing about the ability of both cameras to track fast action smoothly.
So you understand the basics of refresh rate of the EVF right? So if I update the EVF display only once every 100ms say,and I was panning a fast diving tern about to hit the water my experience could be of the tern having gone from being in the air to already being in the water between those updates. Using a ridiculous number like 1000Hz when the sensor is only read at 270Hz is pointless. If the sensor can read full 4K @ 120fps it can certainly read 1.2K@120fps. So let's repeat, there is no question the Z9 can feed data plenty fast enough for a 120Hz EVF refresh. So does it, and if it doesn't why not, is it just battery life? Nikon may have tested all this and decided it didn't matter. Fine, let's state that somewhere. Yet again I'll repeat I have not said anything about the EVF being inferior nor have I made any claims about the EVF quality vs A1. It might make zero difference, to performance in 99% of cases and the difference for the 1% might be small. It might make no difference 100% of the time. All I want to know is what the actual spec is. I've already stated many times I'm buying the Z9 irrespective of the answer.
As aside, I do not put much stock in anything depreview says about AF performance in demanding situations. I have seen them post rubbish OOF shots in claiming a products amazing AF. I'll wait for guys like Steve Perry to review the camera.
The shot has been taken from high up in the specatator section and thus the background to the runner is track instead of advertisements or out of focus seats as it would likely be from ground level. The runner's face is reasonably sharp and in focus. The track area in front of the runner (from the photographer's perspective) is also in focus due to the shooting angle. There seems to be some atmospheric effects here and there degrading image quality due to the long distance from lens to subject.
DPR staff seem to be of the opinion that rather than the photographer having to choose settings, the camera should just work and take the correctly exposed and focused shot without requiring anything special (knowledge, experience, skill, familiarity with the tools) from the user. Their sample images reflect that.
osv2 wrote:
yes, the ground in front of her foot is sharp, which means that it's severely front-focused, and at 1/2000th wide open it's not motion blur... most of those 500pf shots are problematic, no matter who shot it that day.
the nikon rep was there, but he apparently failed to tell dpr how to use the z9... nobody at dpr knows how to shoot action, plus it's a brand-new camera, the rep should have been chimping their work in the evf and correcting the settings... on the other hand, why isn't dpr competent enough to see blur in the evf, and ask for help?
