1bwana1 wrote:
I think you may be missing the tongue in cheek nature of this thread.
It is really just friends busting chops
Exactly, I’m enjoying it and learning a few things and good to have a civil and fun conversation. I know that arbitrage owned or still owns an R5 and now an A1. Has Pius ever shot with an A1 for any significant time with some decent lenses?
And I also learned that Ibwana1 was a race car driver in addition to an excellent photographer.😁
Yeah, I know that. What I meant is that I have a direct comparison to A7III and A1 eats batteries visibly faster in this kind of usage.
I guess it's not that noticeable in "pro" type of work, where you have a rather rigid time frame, but A7III was better suited to family-type loose-walkaround kinda use.
RoamingScott wrote:
That's not new. You can take just about any camera and pop off 1000-1500 photos in 30 min during a sports game, but it's also possible to have it on during an 8 hour hike and need to swap batteries after 200 shots.
arbitrage wrote:
Won't be me....at least not until Canon wakes up and designs a native RF supertele.....and no, soldered on EF/RF adapters painted silver don't count
Then you'll have to step down to a 500 f/4, because that will be the next big white in 2022. They should be embarrassed about the RF 600 and 400, I mean what was the point when the EF mk III's work the same with the adapter anyway.
Speaking of which where the hell is the Sony 500 f/4 and 300 f/2.8!!
arbitrage wrote:
Yes...my post was addressing the OPs interest in the R5 after a brief outing with it. The OP already has the A1 and was regularly participating in the early threads as we waited for the release of the camera. I'm sure he knows by now what limitations or issues the A1 has.
To address your list:
1) EVF blackout is an issue. With some position management and forethought it can be avoided but for sure it needs to be fixed.
2) Battery drain is poor in my opinion compared to previous Sony cameras I owned. The R5 was the second worst camera I owned for battery drain. The A1 battery drain can be greatly improved if one is okay setting a short PowerSave time like 10s or 1min. I prefer not to set a short one as I prefer to just keep it out of PowerSave and have it instantly respond. Most days I get into the 2nd battery on A1 and also did so on the R5. However, I get further through the 2nd A1 battery then I'd be through on the 2nd R5 battery. Anyways....at the end of the session I charge up two batteries via USB-C on either. So really no difference in actual use. If one shoots longer days then a 3rd A1 battery may be needed more often than a 3rd R5 battery. Thankfully even when my A1 battery is at 1% it doesn't start crippling my FPS Although to be fair to the R5 in ES it also doesn't cripple the FPS based on battery %.
3) IBIS issue is for shorter focal lengths and certain lenses according to the video I watched. I've never noticed it with long lenses. I will try to remember to look for it next time I'm out...but if I haven't noticed it yet I doubt my lenses are affected?? At least with A1 I can use OSS/IBIS for BIF where as with the R5 I had to shut both off when panning BIF as they constantly fought each other.
4) Lens release button position is a huge positive for me. I've always regarded that right side placement to be far superior to left side placement when trying to quickly switch TCs or lenses out in the field. Especially when I don't have a place to put the camera/lens down due to a slope or mud etc. I have to deliberately reach under the lens with my middle finger to access the button when I want to. I've never once in 3 years found my finger accidentally resting on the button and worried that I might accidentally push it and release the lens. I also don't recall anyone complaining about this over the many years of Sony MILCs other than TN (most likely to garner the clickbait and create controversy where it doesn't really exist in order to drive traffic)....Show more →
I just got the R5 images - one particular sequence we both shot and the R5 has 50 shots and the a1 75 (or there abouts). 3 of the R5 shots looked like some motion or stabilisation blur with horizontally elongated sun reflection in the eye and 2 of the A1 looked to be just a fraction less sharp than the others.
For the rest they were near identical all tack sharp.
So perhaps the A1 gets 97% and the R5 94% - may as well call that a draw.
Here is one example - A1 was auto iso, R5 was manual iso. Both cropped to 16:9. Size difference presumably due to 45mp and 50mp difference.
Any claim that R5 are much softer I don't believe. Certainly doesn't look like it on a 5K display.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Then you'll have to step down to a 500 f/4, because that will be the next big white in 2022. They should be embarrassed about the RF 600 and 400, I mean what was the point when the EF mk III's work the same with the adapter anyway.
Speaking of which where the hell is the Sony 500 f/4 and 300 f/2.8!!
I see Nikon has filed a bunch of supertele PF zoom patents. Maybe I need to look in that direction once the Z9 is shipping (probably 2024 based on Nikon's recent track record )
No, no, the birds certainly care....with an R5 as soon as the bird moves you have to switch it into the noisy MS in order to avoid distortions and leaning lines....the birds don't like that racket and will be gone in a flash....R5 MS is great for butt shots
Now with the completely silent ES of the A1 the birds can continue to enjoy their peace and quiet while the photographer gets the shots.
Many of the birds care a lot. One click and they're gone and I've wasted an hour of the day's best light waiting in silence for the bird to come close. The electronic shutter with fast readout is a very big deal for me.
I would venture to suggest the Canon lens may be a touch sharper or better at resolving detail but marginally so. Couldn't find two directly comparable images - either way definitely does not appear to be softer as suggested by some.
arbitrage wrote:
I see Nikon has filed a bunch of supertele PF zoom patents. Maybe I need to look in that direction once the Z9 is shipping (probably 2024 based on Nikon's recent track record )
Where did you see that? PF is why I won't give up on Nikon. At this stage I'm more likely to be a Sony and Nikon user than Sony and Canon user.
Anybody think Sony will ever get in on the DO/PF action themselves? I was going to say no, but I found they actually do have PF patents too and reckon they can cure the flare issue with this tech. Let's start with a 300 f/4 that does 0.3:1.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Where did you see that? PF is why I won't give up on Nikon. At this stage I'm more likely to be a Sony and Nikon user than Sony and Canon user.
Anybody think Sony will ever get in on the DO/PF action themselves? I was going to say no, but I found they actually do have PF patents too and reckon they can cure the flare issue with this tech. Let's start with a 300 f/4 that does 0.3:1.
arbitrage wrote:
No, no, the birds certainly care....with an R5 as soon as the bird moves you have to switch it into the noisy MS in order to avoid distortions and leaning lines....the birds don't like that racket and will be gone in a flash....R5 MS is great for butt shots
Now with the completely silent ES of the A1 the birds can continue to enjoy their peace and quiet while the photographer gets the shots.
Main reason I got the Sony A9ii and now A1, birds like Barn Owls hunt by sound so they hated the noise of the D850 even when set to Qc , soon as they hear it they bugger off
, good one, you made me laugh out loud... 
