Not sure why the A1 has so-much slower scan speed for video, but it actually has a bit more rolling shutter than the R5 in video. Maybe for 8K especially, they could not maintain such fast 1/240s readouts at 30p for extended periods and had to down-clock the ADC's for sustained use and lower scan speed. Does it exhibit rolling shutter in 4K as well?
duncang wrote:
So Pius posts some BIF images of the R5/100-500 combo in response to someone who claimed he has no such photos on Flickr and you think he did that to make you feel inferior
Seriously - you should think about going to see someone about that because that is a strange response to have.
I think if you ever met AgeoJo in person you would be very embarrassed to have written this.
duncang wrote:
So Pius posts some BIF images of the R5/100-500 combo in response to someone who claimed he has no such photos on Flickr and you think he did that to make you feel inferior
Seriously - you should think about going to see someone about that because that is a strange response to have.
And maybe if you had been on this site longer than a few months you would be aware of the friendly joking between certain members.
duncang wrote:
So Pius posts some BIF images of the R5/100-500 combo in response to someone who claimed he has no such photos on Flickr and you think he did that to make you feel inferior
Seriously - you should think about going to see someone about that because that is a strange response to have.
Did you see the end of the sentence I posted: “…. not ”. Now, I think you response is strange. I am out of here…
Well some great photos uploaded on here using both cameras. I can't say I'm brand loyal and do find these threads interesting and helpful so grateful to those that post findings that's had chance to use both systems . I need to be sure I'm sticking with Sony before getting the 600mm f4 , for now I'm using the 200-600 with both the A9ii and A1 . I have friends that use the R5, they all came from DSLR's . A couple of them like it, at least one of them doesn't although I found it took some getting used to coming from my Nikon DSLR to the Sony.
Banter is always fun, just a shame when it starts to get personal
Imagemaster wrote:
I could if you used how to use emoticons properly. Perhaps someone can show you how.
Hint:
"What an arrogant prat" is what I am thinking here.
Why would Ajeogo take offence if he was indeed posting in lighthearted jest ? Surely he would know I had no idea he was in fact Pius' best buddy and simply indicate as much rather than disappearing in a huff ?
But instead of politely pointing that out you respond as you did. Are new users supposed to troll through past posts to figure out who knows who ?
Some of us only show up here when we feel we need to ask others specific questions - rather than browsing posts looking for opportunities to show our superiority in emoticons or knowledge of who knows whom - "what a shallow life indeed." - sorry just another though that popped up in my head.
Definitely arrogant 'online' prat is really the only conclusion I could draw. No doubt out in the field with camera in hand you would be as humble and helpful as Pius or arbitrage - shame I may never find that out though.
See if you can take this feedback from an 'inferior' new user and respond with "well thank you for the feedback new user, I will bear than in mind and try and be more polite and welcoming to other new users in future". <smile>
Have a great day - I'll be thinking about that awesome R5 animal/bird tracking - and in video too - sheesh - and then I will zoom to 600mm and feel better !! <big smile>
"Don't cry my little a1, you can't be best at everything, it's ok Image guy here will take care of you when I dump you for the R3". <just joking 200-600 has saved you, for a while anyway!>
duncang wrote:
"What an arrogant prat" is what I am thinking here.
Why would Ajeogo take offence if he was indeed posting in lighthearted jest ? Surely he would know I had no idea he was in fact Pius' best buddy and simply indicate as much rather than disappearing in a huff ?
But instead of politely pointing that out you respond as you did. Are new users supposed to troll through past posts to figure out who knows who ?
Some of us only show up here when we feel we need to ask others specific questions - rather than browsing posts looking for opportunities to show our superiority in emoticons or knowledge of who knows whom - "what a shallow life indeed." - sorry just another though that popped up in my head.
Definitely arrogant 'online' prat is really the only conclusion I could draw. No doubt out in the field with camera in hand you would be as humble and helpful as Pius or arbitrage - shame I may never find that out though.
See if you can take this feedback from an 'inferior' new user and respond with "well thank you for the feedback new user, I will bear than in mind and try and be more polite and welcoming to other new users in future". <smile>
Have a great day - I'll be thinking about that awesome R5 animal/bird tracking - and in video too - sheesh - and then I will zoom to 600mm and feel better !! <big smile>
"Don't cry my little a1, you can't be best at everything, it's ok Image guy here will take care of you when I dump you for the R3". <just joking 200-600 has saved you, for a while anyway!> ...Show more →
Have any sample R5 pics yet? Or just here to continue posting about how amazing the green overlay box is in non challenging conditions?
duncang wrote:
"What an arrogant prat" is what I am thinking here.
Why would Ajeogo take offence if he was indeed posting in lighthearted jest ? Surely he would know I had no idea he was in fact Pius' best buddy and simply indicate as much rather than disappearing in a huff ?
But instead of politely pointing that out you respond as you did. Are new users supposed to troll through past posts to figure out who knows who ?
Some of us only show up here when we feel we need to ask others specific questions - rather than browsing posts looking for opportunities to show our superiority in emoticons or knowledge of who knows whom - "what a shallow life indeed." - sorry just another though that popped up in my head.
Definitely arrogant 'online' prat is really the only conclusion I could draw. No doubt out in the field with camera in hand you would be as humble and helpful as Pius or arbitrage - shame I may never find that out though.
See if you can take this feedback from an 'inferior' new user and respond with "well thank you for the feedback new user, I will bear than in mind and try and be more polite and welcoming to other new users in future". <smile>
Have a great day - I'll be thinking about that awesome R5 animal/bird tracking - and in video too - sheesh - and then I will zoom to 600mm and feel better !! <big smile>
"Don't cry my little a1, you can't be best at everything, it's ok Image guy here will take care of you when I dump you for the R3". <just joking 200-600 has saved you, for a while anyway!> ...Show more →
An ignorant prat is one who starts a thread comparing an R5 to an A1 for BIF's, yet posts no examples from the R5, and posts mediocre shots from the A1.
"Crying" is what the verbose whining above is.
There are new users, and then there are mouthy new users. The latter go quickly onto my HIDE ME list. Bye.
You did a fair evaluation on the BEAF between the R5 vs A1 then you proceeded to elaborate on other issues with the R5.
What are some of the pitfalls of the A1 or lets just say point of failure for the price range. I can think of a few so you must be more aware then I what they are.... (You can add to the list)
EVF blackouts whilst in sunny environments.
Battery drain is very fast.
IBIS issue. IBIS takes 5 second to stabilize when the camera is moved from hanging on its strap to pictures / video taking position.
Lens Release button...
arbitrage wrote:
The R5 is better at recognizing bird shapes, especially when the bird is not in a normal shape/pose. It will draw the body box when the bird's head is tucked away behind. It will draw a head box when the head is somewhat visible but still turned away. The A1 will just dance the dots in these situations...occasionally drawing some sort of body/head box.
However, once the bird gets into a proper pose with good head angle (ie any time you'd actually want to push the shutter) then I find the two systems are near identical in their effectiveness. I've had both systems struggle in complex surroundings. Getting confused by grass in foreground and background.
The A1 system is more versatile because you can define the "watch" zone for eye-AF from as small as S. Flex Spot all the way up to Wide. The R5 is more limiting because you only have the Single pt or Full frame to "look" from. The A1 gives a pre-display of bird eye-af working before AF is engaged in all modes. The R5 requires a very specific setup to show the white pre-frame and if you set it up that way you can't even get access to the Single point "watch" area. I found having the pre-frame indication very valuable as you know when the system is lost and can go to a non-eye AF mode to get the shot properly. The A1 also has the versatility to only look for the eye in the size of the AF area you are using but then you have the choice to switch to tracking and have the eye tracked over the entire frame or continue to only find it within the selected AF area (like say a Med Spot or Zone etc). This versatility makes the A1 my preferred system if I had to choose one or the other.
As far as showing eye-af indication for flight the R5 does do it more often. The Sony requires very good user technique with a very stable pan speed to have it show up. I've had it show on swallows in flight a number of times now with the A1 when I pan very smooth. The R5 will show eye-af indication with much poorer technique and as you found with the bird smaller in the frame. The thing is that in the end both cameras get the shots in focus and the A9/A1 underlying (non-eyeAF) system has always been uncanny at delivering sharp heads so that doesn't change.
As you discovered the R5 doesn't have any blackout when shooting in 20FPS ES nor 12FPS MS/EFCS. At 20FPS is also is fairly smooth while actively firing and panning. It falls apart if you let go of the shutter mid-burst and then want to keep panning with a BIF. When you let go it jumps back to live-EVF feed and for a fast bird that can be distracting enough to loose your way. Solution is not to let off the shutter during an active panning/burst. At 12FPS it is less smooth when panning as the EVF display is updated at 12FPS and not 20FPS (both use some form of frame insertion but obviously having that at 20 vs 12 is going to be smoother).
As to distortion....wing distortion isn't too common. Hummingbirds will certainly show it and some other very fast wingbeats where the bird also moves vertically in the frame. Of course the larger the bird is in the frame the more likely it will show it. Still I rarely had shots ruined from wing distortion. Where the R5 does show more issues is with leaning vertical lines like trees, grass and reeds in the background. This did ruin shots for me and if I knew I was in a situation where it could happen I'd switch to 12FPS ECFS instead.
The R5 doesn't really fall down for bird photography. IMO it is the best Canon camera ever made for bird photography to date. It would have to be either my #2 or #3 choice out of all cameras available to date for bird photography. And if the R3 is lower MP then for anyone not living in Florida it will likely remain the best Canon bird photography camera. Although the R3 will likely fix all the other small issues I have with the R5 compared to the A1 and then it will end up being a camera that people have to decide between higher MP for cropping of the R5 vs better features with the R3 (derived from the stacked sensor).
Some of my smaller issues with the R5 were too flush buttons making it hard to know which I was pushing, less button customization than I'd prefer, no toggle option for APS-C/FF, no way to vary the FPS in ES and poor IBIS/IS interaction for panning (requiring one to just turn off IBIS/IS all together)....Show more →
Arbitrage’s post was very informative to those who have not used both cameras. Most cameras have some issues. The only one on your list, that I experienced (the first time I used the A1) was the EVF blackout and after making a setting change, I have never experienced it again (I mostly shoot with the sun at my back or over my shoulder). No problem at all with battery (over 2000 shots per charge) or IBIS performance (even without lens OSS ). No overheating 🥵 problems either (though you did not have that on your list).
Pius Sullivan wrote:
You did a fair evaluation on the BEAF between the R5 vs A1 then you proceeded to elaborate on other issues with the R5.
What are some of the pitfalls of the A1 or lets just say point of failure for the price range. I can think of a few so you must be more aware then I what they are.... (You can add to the list)
EVF blackouts whilst in sunny environments.
Battery drain is very fast.
IBIS issue. IBIS takes 5 second to stabilize when the camera is moved from hanging on its strap to pictures / video taking position.
Lens Release button...
I'll respond in good faith with my experience:
* EVF blackout we all know can happen
* battery life is decent, but not great anymore
* IBIS, I did some testing (lens without OIS) after reading about the issue and mine starts working about 2.5s after turning the camera on / waking from sleep (that's the only case when I was able to see it, if I just move "active" camera from my belt to my eye, IBIS kicks in instantly). Hard to compare to my previous camera as A1 comes online a lot faster. Something feels a bit off sometimes though, I'll have to do more testing.
Laslo Varadi wrote:
Arbitrage’s post was very informative to those who have not used both cameras. Most cameras have some issues. The only one on your list, that I experienced (the first time I used the A1) was the EVF blackout and after making a setting change, I have never experienced it again (I mostly shoot with the sun at my back or over my shoulder). No problem at all with battery (over 2000 shots per charge) or IBIS performance (even without lens OSS ). No overheating 🥵 problems either (though you did not have that on your list).
The big one is that the a1 is missing Canon's innovative hand warmer feature that has become so popular with winter wildlife photographers.
This is combined with Canons unique coffee break timer which is set off when you have to shut down so the camera can cool off.
Canon also pays attention to fatigue factor. It slows the camera down as the battery charge gets lower. So both the camera and photographer don't "burn out".
Cannon also has a special rolling shutter feature to add a unique look to images. You can spot a Cannon action shot immediately because of this.
Seems like Sony has fallen behind in so many ways...
Pius Sullivan wrote:
You did a fair evaluation on the BEAF between the R5 vs A1 then you proceeded to elaborate on other issues with the R5.
What are some of the pitfalls of the A1 or lets just say point of failure for the price range. I can think of a few so you must be more aware then I what they are.... (You can add to the list)
EVF blackouts whilst in sunny environments.
Battery drain is very fast.
IBIS issue. IBIS takes 5 second to stabilize when the camera is moved from hanging on its strap to pictures / video taking position.
Lens Release button...
On Sunday I shot 5843 pictures with my A1 at an airshow (spray and pray at its finest, ), the battery still showed 50% when I was done, no EVF blackout at all this time with the sun behind my shoulder, but it happened a dozen times a week ago when I was shooting hummingbirds, with the sun at similar position relative to me.
”. Now, I think you response is strange. I am out of here…
