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Archive 2021Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
p.4 #1Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
Sorry for disrupting the image thread, but since there already is some discussion going on here...
how would you (lucky owners
) rate the background rendering smoothness of the GM? I mean those specific FM transition zone torture tests 
where you focus on something not too close / a few (3-4) meters away with busy background like grass, branches, foliage, etc. I'm wondering if the exceptional sharpness (if tests are to be believed) impacts negatively that smothness or is it on par or even better than ZA...
how would you (lucky owners
) rate the background rendering smoothness of the GM? I mean those specific FM transition zone torture tests where you focus on something not too close / a few (3-4) meters away with busy background like grass, branches, foliage, etc. I'm wondering if the exceptional sharpness (if tests are to be believed) impacts negatively that smothness or is it on par or even better than ZA...Apr 27, 2021 at 12:30 PM
p.4 #2Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
I don't have experience with the 50ZA, but from I initial tests I think the 85GM has better bokeh overall when both are wide open. The 85GM is far less sharp as well though.
It's still early days with the 50GM though, so that impression may change.
It's still early days with the 50GM though, so that impression may change.
Apr 27, 2021 at 02:55 PM
p.4 #3Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
sidaths wrote:
I don't have experience with the 50ZA, but from I initial tests I think the 85GM has better bokeh overall when both are wide open. The 85GM is far less sharp as well though.
It's still early days with the 50GM though, so that impression may change.
Thanks! Yes, I think 85GM is unbeatable when it comes smoothness .
I don't have experience with the 50ZA, but from I initial tests I think the 85GM has better bokeh overall when both are wide open. The 85GM is far less sharp as well though.
It's still early days with the 50GM though, so that impression may change.
Thanks! Yes, I think 85GM is unbeatable when it comes smoothness
.Apr 27, 2021 at 03:42 PM
p.4 #4Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
Sheldon Chuh - what camera did you take these on? Great look to these photos but I'm wondering if the camera played a part?
Apr 27, 2021 at 04:13 PM
p.4 #5Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
sold5 wrote:
Sheldon Chuh - what camera did you take these on? Great look to these photos but I'm wondering if the camera played a part?
From following the Flickr links next to his images, it appears he was using an a7R IV.
Sheldon Chuh - what camera did you take these on? Great look to these photos but I'm wondering if the camera played a part?
From following the Flickr links next to his images, it appears he was using an a7R IV.
Apr 27, 2021 at 05:36 PM
p.4 #6Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
sold5 wrote:
Sheldon Chuh - what camera did you take these on? Great look to these photos but I'm wondering if the camera played a part?
A7R IV
Sheldon Chuh - what camera did you take these on? Great look to these photos but I'm wondering if the camera played a part?
A7R IV
Apr 27, 2021 at 06:13 PM
p.4 #7Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
About the design of the 50 GM:
https://www.sony.com/electronics/interview-sel50f12gm
https://www.sony.com/electronics/interview-sel50f12gm
Apr 28, 2021 at 01:05 AM
p.4 #8Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
The only differences I can tell without pixel-peeping at 100% between the ZA and GM are the colour rendition and distortion control, and in both areas I prefer ZA over GM.
For me GM wins at sharpness and well controlled CA but I probably wouldn't upgrade if I still own the ZA.
ZA vs GM
For me GM wins at sharpness and well controlled CA but I probably wouldn't upgrade if I still own the ZA.
ZA vs GM
Apr 28, 2021 at 01:47 AM
p.4 #9Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
WanderingCloud wrote:
The only differences I can tell without pixel-peeping at 100% between the ZA and GM are the colour rendition and distortion control, and in both areas I prefer ZA over GM.
For me GM wins at sharpness and well controlled CA but I probably wouldn't upgrade if I still own the ZA.
ZA vs GM
Not really a usable comparison in my opinion. Different angle and distance, just look at the right side of the frame, e.g. he clock.
The only differences I can tell without pixel-peeping at 100% between the ZA and GM are the colour rendition and distortion control, and in both areas I prefer ZA over GM.
For me GM wins at sharpness and well controlled CA but I probably wouldn't upgrade if I still own the ZA.
ZA vs GM
Not really a usable comparison in my opinion. Different angle and distance, just look at the right side of the frame, e.g. he clock.
Apr 28, 2021 at 01:51 AM
p.4 #10Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
A German comparison with the 50/1.4Z
Apr 28, 2021 at 01:56 AM
p.4 #11Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
Holger wrote:
For me GM wins at sharpness and well controlled CA but I probably wouldn't upgrade if I still own the ZA.
ZA vs GMNot really a usable comparison in my opinion. Different angle and distance, just look at the right side of the frame, e.g. he clock.
Nah, it's close enough to give some pointers...
WanderingCloud wrote
The only differences I can tell without pixel-peeping at 100% between the ZA and GM are the colour rendition and distortion control, and in both areas I prefer ZA over GM.For me GM wins at sharpness and well controlled CA but I probably wouldn't upgrade if I still own the ZA.
ZA vs GM
Nah, it's close enough to give some pointers...
Apr 28, 2021 at 02:08 AM
p.4 #12Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
WanderingCloud wrote:
The only differences I can tell without pixel-peeping at 100% between the ZA and GM are the colour rendition and distortion control, and in both areas I prefer ZA over GM.
For me GM wins at sharpness and well controlled CA but I probably wouldn't upgrade if I still own the ZA.
ZA vs GM
I didn’t get on well with the ZA busy oof rendering. Nice to see a smoother less-busy blur in the background on the GM example.
It would be great to see some images out on the streets with the 50mm GM. So far the image upload efforts in this thread aren’t very insightful or helpful towards understanding the imaging performance of this lens. Pointing the lens at objects near the lens’ minimum focus distance is (imo) mostly trite, boring, and lazy. I am most eager to see the oof rendering when the lens is used to frame mid-distant subjects.
The only differences I can tell without pixel-peeping at 100% between the ZA and GM are the colour rendition and distortion control, and in both areas I prefer ZA over GM.
For me GM wins at sharpness and well controlled CA but I probably wouldn't upgrade if I still own the ZA.
ZA vs GM
I didn’t get on well with the ZA busy oof rendering. Nice to see a smoother less-busy blur in the background on the GM example.
It would be great to see some images out on the streets with the 50mm GM. So far the image upload efforts in this thread aren’t very insightful or helpful towards understanding the imaging performance of this lens. Pointing the lens at objects near the lens’ minimum focus distance is (imo) mostly trite, boring, and lazy. I am most eager to see the oof rendering when the lens is used to frame mid-distant subjects.
Apr 28, 2021 at 02:14 AM
p.4 #13Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
j4nu wrote:
For me GM wins at sharpness and well controlled CA but I probably wouldn't upgrade if I still own the ZA.
ZA vs GMNot really a usable comparison in my opinion. Different angle and distance, just look at the right side of the frame, e.g. he clock.Nah, it's close enough to give some pointers...
I don't find that close enough to be decisive. The scientist in me is not happy about that ;-)
Holger wrote
WanderingCloud wrote
The only differences I can tell without pixel-peeping at 100% between the ZA and GM are the colour rendition and distortion control, and in both areas I prefer ZA over GM.For me GM wins at sharpness and well controlled CA but I probably wouldn't upgrade if I still own the ZA.
ZA vs GM
I don't find that close enough to be decisive. The scientist in me is not happy about that ;-)
Apr 28, 2021 at 02:15 AM
p.4 #14Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
darbo wrote:
I didn’t get on well with the ZA busy oof rendering. Nice to see a smoother less-busy blur in the background on the GM example.
You're gonna stir a lot of people's pots by saying that ZA is busy
. I agree though, that GM looks smoother here.
... I also think criticizing people for the type of pictures they post is a bit over the line...
I also take a lot of close-up pictures when I get a new lens .
I didn’t get on well with the ZA busy oof rendering. Nice to see a smoother less-busy blur in the background on the GM example.
You're gonna stir a lot of people's pots by saying that ZA is busy
. I agree though, that GM looks smoother here.... I also think criticizing people for the type of pictures they post is a bit over the line...
I also take a lot of close-up pictures when I get a new lens
.Apr 28, 2021 at 02:25 AM
p.4 #15Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
j4nu wrote:
You're gonna stir a lot of people's pots by saying that ZA is busy . I agree though, that GM looks smoother here.
... I also think criticizing people for the type of pictures they post is a bit over the line...
I also take a lot of close-up pictures when I get a new lens .
I probably am indeed out of line being critical regarding the abundance of mfd photos. This may be my first ever criticism I’ve ever made about photos posted in this forum. Sincere apologies everyone...I let my impatience for seeing helpful-to-me images overrule my usual reticence to be critical. I promise that transgression will be my last in this thread.
My reason for critcizing mfd photo posts is that nearly any lens has the appearance of a nice smooth oof rendering when focusing close. The ZA oof looks good in the above example, but I did not like how it handled background foilage when shooting mid-distant images.
Have you ordered this lens? I just purchased the 24mm GM and am hopeful that this 50GM might be a good pairing to it.
darbo wrote
I didn’t get on well with the ZA busy oof rendering. Nice to see a smoother less-busy blur in the background on the GM example. . I agree though, that GM looks smoother here.... I also think criticizing people for the type of pictures they post is a bit over the line...
I also take a lot of close-up pictures when I get a new lens
.I probably am indeed out of line being critical regarding the abundance of mfd photos. This may be my first ever criticism I’ve ever made about photos posted in this forum. Sincere apologies everyone...I let my impatience for seeing helpful-to-me images overrule my usual reticence to be critical. I promise that transgression will be my last in this thread.
My reason for critcizing mfd photo posts is that nearly any lens has the appearance of a nice smooth oof rendering when focusing close. The ZA oof looks good in the above example, but I did not like how it handled background foilage when shooting mid-distant images.
Have you ordered this lens? I just purchased the 24mm GM and am hopeful that this 50GM might be a good pairing to it.
Apr 28, 2021 at 02:48 AM
p.4 #16Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
Holger wrote:
For me GM wins at sharpness and well controlled CA but I probably wouldn't upgrade if I still own the ZA.
ZA vs GMNot really a usable comparison in my opinion. Different angle and distance, just look at the right side of the frame, e.g. he clock.
I think GM is wider for some reason maybe closer to 45 than 50mm.
WanderingCloud wrote
The only differences I can tell without pixel-peeping at 100% between the ZA and GM are the colour rendition and distortion control, and in both areas I prefer ZA over GM.For me GM wins at sharpness and well controlled CA but I probably wouldn't upgrade if I still own the ZA.
ZA vs GM
I think GM is wider for some reason maybe closer to 45 than 50mm.
Apr 28, 2021 at 02:53 AM
p.4 #17Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
j4nu wrote:
You're gonna stir a lot of people's pots by saying that ZA is busy
. I agree though, that GM looks smoother here.Really? I always thought it Was consensus that the ZA is a high-contrast lens with a matching background.
Had it for a few weeks, but found it quite soft and barely usable in the midzone-dip-region, must have been a weak copy. Still, the background was busy, I would compare it to my Batis 85.
So, let's wait a few years for nice(r) used prices of the GM (ouch). Or a sigma.
Apr 28, 2021 at 02:56 AM
p.4 #18Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
darbo wrote:
You're gonna stir a lot of people's pots by saying that ZA is busy . I agree though, that GM looks smoother here.
... I also think criticizing people for the type of pictures they post is a bit over the line...
I also take a lot of close-up pictures when I get a new lens .I probably am indeed out of line being critical regarding the abundance of mfd photos. This may be my first ever criticism I’ve ever made about photos posted in this forum. Sincere apologies everyone...I let my impatience for seeing helpful-to-me images overrule my usual reticence to be critical. I promise that transgression will be my last in this thread.
My reason for critcizing mfd photo posts is that nearly any lens has the appearance of a nice smooth oof rendering when focusing close. The ZA oof looks good in the above example, but I did not like how it handled...Show more →
I think I have managed to let go of my GAS in this case (following Julia's advice) as I still have the ZA. I'll try to take some background foliage-busy shots to see if it's indeed too contrasty.
j4nu wrote
darbo wrote
I didn’t get on well with the ZA busy oof rendering. Nice to see a smoother less-busy blur in the background on the GM example. . I agree though, that GM looks smoother here.... I also think criticizing people for the type of pictures they post is a bit over the line...
I also take a lot of close-up pictures when I get a new lens
.My reason for critcizing mfd photo posts is that nearly any lens has the appearance of a nice smooth oof rendering when focusing close. The ZA oof looks good in the above example, but I did not like how it handled...Show more →
I think I have managed to let go of my GAS in this case (following Julia's advice) as I still have the ZA. I'll try to take some background foliage-busy shots to see if it's indeed too contrasty.
Apr 28, 2021 at 03:12 AM
p.4 #19Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
Ummon wrote:
. I agree though, that GM looks smoother here.Really? I always thought it Was consensus that the ZA is a high-contrast lens with a matching background.
Had it for a few weeks, but found it quite soft and barely usable in the midzone-dip-region, must have been a weak copy. Still, the background was busy, I would compare it to my Batis 85.
So, let's wait a few years for nice(r) used prices of the GM (ouch). Or a sigma.
I don't want to derail this thread anymore, but my biggest issue with ZA was the AF (as I shoot my kids mostly), I rarely if ever run into mid-frame dip issue (and general sharpness is very high). I simply rarely shoot the way to notice it, but I'll try to do some FM-like test for it eventually.
Anyways, my AF issues were greatly reduced when I switched to a new body. We can continue this discussion in the ZA thread if needed I guess .
j4nu wrote
You're gonna stir a lot of people's pots by saying that ZA is busy . I agree though, that GM looks smoother here.Had it for a few weeks, but found it quite soft and barely usable in the midzone-dip-region, must have been a weak copy. Still, the background was busy, I would compare it to my Batis 85.
So, let's wait a few years for nice(r) used prices of the GM (ouch). Or a sigma.
I don't want to derail this thread anymore, but my biggest issue with ZA was the AF (as I shoot my kids mostly), I rarely if ever run into mid-frame dip issue (and general sharpness is very high). I simply rarely shoot the way to notice it, but I'll try to do some FM-like test for it eventually.
Anyways, my AF issues were greatly reduced when I switched to a new body. We can continue this discussion in the ZA thread if needed I guess
.Apr 28, 2021 at 04:02 AM
p.4 #20Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM Image Thread
..so image with busy background, focus on the eye of the bird, distance about 6 meter
busy background - 50GM by H. Wiedow, auf Flickr
busy background - 50GM by H. Wiedow, auf FlickrApr 28, 2021 at 04:44 AM