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 p.3 #6 · Will Nikon build anymore DSLR's, or are they done with DSLR's? | |
1bwana1 wrote:
Here we go again. No, adapted is not Native even when built by the same company. True no matter how some want to redefine language. At a minimum adapting is generally speaking not as convenient, small, and light weight, as native.
The goal when switching to mirrorless is not to get close to the same performance as the F mount lenses got on DSLRs. When switching to mirrorless you want to get all the benefits that a mirrorless system has to offer. That is the point of switching. Yes, you can use adapted F mount lenses on the Z bodies. Most work well, and will suffice while you wait for Nikon to flush out their native lens lineup, or your finances allow new lenses. But many adapted F mount lenses are demonstrably slower. According to Steve Perry who has done extensive testing, they are significantly slower under some circumstances, and generally measurably slower on average.
We have no evidence on how well the adapted lenses will work on Nikons higher end bodies, just hope at this point. There is plenty of knowledgeable speculation that the older designed motors in F mount lenses won't keep up with the 20+ fps that the new bodies will offer.
You are right. Whether you are looking short term, or long term, you will likely eventually end up swapping lenses no matter which system you choose. Some will go the slower adapted route when switching, and some will want to get it done with straight away. Currently if you want do it right away Nikon doesn't have the lens choices of other systems.
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Oh, Steve, I forgot you get to decide on how to use words and the rest of us don't get to  . My view obviously is it is perfectly fine to define native as first party as in the camera, lens, and adapter (if there is one) are all built by the same company. I certainly don't call a system with a camera, a lens, and a teleconverter all built by the same company a non-native solution and the teleconverter certainly affects the performance of such a system at least as much as an adapter. So, I am going to call Nikon lens on a Nikon camera with a Nikon adapter a native system, but you don't have to. We can agree to disagree, but I hope you can recognize you don't get to define how a term like native is used in a photography forum no matter how boisterously you make your claims. I actually prefer the term first party and third party, but I am fine with calling first party native (even if you are not) and I really dislike the term adapted as it is way too broad of term including everything from it just mounts on the camera with no AF, no aperture control, and really clumsy manual focus to something like the FTZ or the Canon converter for EF lenses to R mount cameras that works seamlessly. All of those could be called adapted, but they obviously aren't the same thing or even remotely close to it.
And Steve, who are you to say what other people's goal in switching to mirrorless is? There is obviously not a single goal to switching to mirrorless and although your goal in switching to mirrorless may not be, "to get close to the same performance as the F mount lenses got on DSLRs." That might very reasonably be the goal for some people. Who are you that you think you can tell them that isn't the goal of switching to mirrorless. I think it is best to speak of your own goals and not talk about what "the" goal is as if there is just one appropriate goals and not many.
And yet again you partiallyreference Steve Perry and leave out some very relevant observations he has made beyond what you paraphrase. This presentation creates a misleading idea of what Steve has said. Yes, under some condition (racking all the way from closest focus to infinity focus) some long lenses are noticeably slower on the Z6/II and Z7/II than they are on top DSLRs like the D500, D850, and D5/6, but that has to be laid aside Steve's discussion that when these same long lenses are used with the focus limiter the difference in focus speed is tiny and in his view not noticeable. Obviously leaving that last part out gives a pretty distorted perception of the performance of these lenses. I don't know if you are purposely trying to present that distorted account or is you simply can't remember all that Steve has said, but there is nuance to what Steve has said and you consistently miss that nuance.
Finally although we don't know exactly how well F lenses will perform on a camera that doesn't exist yet--how could we. It is safe to assume those lenses will work at least as well on newer higher level cameras (such as the Z9) as they work on the cameras now available. We don't know if they will be better, but we do know they won't be worse. You act as if we don't know anything about their performance, but we do at least know F mount lenses will work very very well with the Z9. What we don't know is if they will work even better than that (i.e., you can take off the focus limiter as it won't be needed any more).
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