Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
p.8 #1Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
Petegh wrote:
In the lab, the Sigma 35mm f2 DGDN is sharper at f2.8 than the Tamron 35mm f2.8 Di III OSD; at f4 its close, but at f5.6 and beyond, the Tamron reigns supreme: see https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1540&Camera=1175&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1469&CameraComp=1175&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0
It'll be interesting to see if your real-world tests, Tim, corroborate this...
Of course this is at relatively close testing distances, and the Tamron, focussing to 1:2, is likely optimised at around 1:20 (1:2 macros are often optimised at 1:10 even) which is close to the magnification of their tests, whereas the Sigma is not at its best at these distances, and shines at longer ones.
tsdevine wrote
From a landscape shooting perspective, I think my Tamron could give both of these lenses a run for the money. The Sigma looks really good from a rendering perspective, at least against the CV. I could see me picking it up as my general AF/rendering/jack of all trades lens. That leaves the CV up against my Tamron. The MF experience will be worlds better with the CV, but I think the Tamron will hold up (or be better at some apertures) from an image perspective.It'll be interesting to see if your real-world tests, Tim, corroborate this...
Of course this is at relatively close testing distances, and the Tamron, focussing to 1:2, is likely optimised at around 1:20 (1:2 macros are often optimised at 1:10 even) which is close to the magnification of their tests, whereas the Sigma is not at its best at these distances, and shines at longer ones.
Apr 15, 2021 at 05:53 AM
p.8 #2Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
Petegh wrote:
In the lab, the Sigma 35mm f2 DGDN is sharper at f2.8 than the Tamron 35mm f2.8 Di III OSD; at f4 its close, but at f5.6 and beyond, the Tamron reigns supreme: see https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1540&Camera=1175&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1469&CameraComp=1175&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0
It'll be interesting to see if your real-world tests, Tim, corroborate this...
It’s interesting because in the tests I did, a long while back, on the Tamron at about 25 meters, I found not too much difference between f4 and f5.6 and in fact not all that much from f2.8 to f4.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1623747/0
Close range may be different, but of course the Tamron will focus much closer than the Sigma.
Will
tsdevine wrote
From a landscape shooting perspective, I think my Tamron could give both of these lenses a run for the money. The Sigma looks really good from a rendering perspective, at least against the CV. I could see me picking it up as my general AF/rendering/jack of all trades lens. That leaves the CV up against my Tamron. The MF experience will be worlds better with the CV, but I think the Tamron will hold up (or be better at some apertures) from an image perspective.It'll be interesting to see if your real-world tests, Tim, corroborate this...
It’s interesting because in the tests I did, a long while back, on the Tamron at about 25 meters, I found not too much difference between f4 and f5.6 and in fact not all that much from f2.8 to f4.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1623747/0
Close range may be different, but of course the Tamron will focus much closer than the Sigma.
Will
Apr 15, 2021 at 05:59 AM
p.8 #3Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
tsdevine wrote:
Yeah, the Tamron is sharp at wide apertures, but really jumps at f/5.6. My comments were back when I was seeing samples from Fred's first copy of the CV 35....after seeing the results from the second copy, it's going to be really, really hard to beat the CV 35. We'll see how close the Tamron cat get....I think at f/5.6 and smaller apertures it has a better chance to have a good showing.
I will shoot a comparison, I just need the right light and weather....which seems to be hard to get in April. The weather pattern may be changing mid...Show more →In the lab, the Sigma 35mm f2 DGDN is sharper at f2.8 than the Tamron 35mm f2.8 Di III OSD; at f4 its close, but at f5.6 and beyond, the Tamron reigns supreme: see https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1540&Camera=1175&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1469&CameraComp=1175&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0
It'll be interesting to see if your real-world tests, Tim, corroborate this...
Thanks Tim. Yes, the Tamron is likely at an advantage vs the Sigma at close range.
I don't think the Tammy will be able to match the CV for 'sharpness' though (and I mean that in every sense of the word: micro-contrast, edge accutance, tonality etc)
Regardless, the Tammy is one of those rare goldilocks designs that is just ridiculously good relative to its price!
Yeah, the Tamron is sharp at wide apertures, but really jumps at f/5.6. My comments were back when I was seeing samples from Fred's first copy of the CV 35....after seeing the results from the second copy, it's going to be really, really hard to beat the CV 35. We'll see how close the Tamron cat get....I think at f/5.6 and smaller apertures it has a better chance to have a good showing.
I will shoot a comparison, I just need the right light and weather....which seems to be hard to get in April. The weather pattern may be changing mid...Show more →
Petegh wrote
tsdevine wrote
From a landscape shooting perspective, I think my Tamron could give both of these lenses a run for the money. The Sigma looks really good from a rendering perspective, at least against the CV. I could see me picking it up as my general AF/rendering/jack of all trades lens. That leaves the CV up against my Tamron. The MF experience will be worlds better with the CV, but I think the Tamron will hold up (or be better at some apertures) from an image perspective.It'll be interesting to see if your real-world tests, Tim, corroborate this...
Thanks Tim. Yes, the Tamron is likely at an advantage vs the Sigma at close range.
I don't think the Tammy will be able to match the CV for 'sharpness' though (and I mean that in every sense of the word: micro-contrast, edge accutance, tonality etc)
Regardless, the Tammy is one of those rare goldilocks designs that is just ridiculously good relative to its price!
Apr 15, 2021 at 06:31 AM
p.8 #4Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
Yes, my comments about the Tamron in regards to the CV 35 and 35i was more geared towards the samples originally posted. That it could hang with both of them. But when Fred posted the samples from his second copy of CV 35, that changed things for me.
And I have infinity shots from a long time ago using the Tamron, and what I see loosely follows the MTF test I see here:
https://www.ephotozine.com/article/tamron-35mm-f-2-8-di-iii-osd-m1-2-review-34366/performance
Anyway, probably getting a little off topic. I will post comparisons between the CV 35 and Tamron 35 when I have a chance to test them. I don't have the 35i to compare.
-Tim
Petegh wrote:
I will shoot a comparison, I just need the right light and weather....which seems to be hard to get in April. The weather pattern may be changing mid next week.
In the lab, the Sigma 35mm f2 DGDN is sharper at f2.8 than the Tamron 35mm f2.8 Di III OSD; at f4 its close, but at f5.6 and beyond, the Tamron reigns supreme: see https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1540&Camera=1175&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1469&CameraComp=1175&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0
It'll be interesting to see if your real-world tests, Tim, corroborate this...Thanks Tim. Yes, the Tamron is likely at an advantage vs the Sigma at close range.
I don't think the Tammy will be able to match the CV for 'sharpness' though (and I mean that in every sense of the word: micro-contrast, edge accutance, tonality etc)
Regardless, the Tammy is one of those rare goldilocks designs that is just ridiculously good relative to its price!
And I have infinity shots from a long time ago using the Tamron, and what I see loosely follows the MTF test I see here:
https://www.ephotozine.com/article/tamron-35mm-f-2-8-di-iii-osd-m1-2-review-34366/performance
Anyway, probably getting a little off topic. I will post comparisons between the CV 35 and Tamron 35 when I have a chance to test them. I don't have the 35i to compare.
-Tim
Petegh wrote:
tsdevine wrote
Yeah, the Tamron is sharp at wide apertures, but really jumps at f/5.6. My comments were back when I was seeing samples from Fred's first copy of the CV 35....after seeing the results from the second copy, it's going to be really, really hard to beat the CV 35. We'll see how close the Tamron cat get....I think at f/5.6 and smaller apertures it has a better chance to have a good showing.I will shoot a comparison, I just need the right light and weather....which seems to be hard to get in April. The weather pattern may be changing mid next week.
Petegh wrote
tsdevine wrote
From a landscape shooting perspective, I think my Tamron could give both of these lenses a run for the money. The Sigma looks really good from a rendering perspective, at least against the CV. I could see me picking it up as my general AF/rendering/jack of all trades lens. That leaves the CV up against my Tamron. The MF experience will be worlds better with the CV, but I think the Tamron will hold up (or be better at some apertures) from an image perspective.It'll be interesting to see if your real-world tests, Tim, corroborate this...
I don't think the Tammy will be able to match the CV for 'sharpness' though (and I mean that in every sense of the word: micro-contrast, edge accutance, tonality etc)
Regardless, the Tammy is one of those rare goldilocks designs that is just ridiculously good relative to its price!
Apr 15, 2021 at 06:39 AM
p.8 #5Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
realVivek wrote:
They should check with the PR dept of Aussie Navy?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56754868
https://diglloyd.com/blog/2021/20210216_1146-VoigtlanderFE35f2.html
Some interesting things there. This one hits home.
"Voigtlander does a spectacularly crude job of marketing its lenses, all while hiding its light under a bushel basket—you have to work at it to glean information about their new lenses. I guess I’m glad they pay engineers instead of marketing bozos writing hyperbolic product descriptions.."
It's part of their character not to do so, this is an eccentric company in a humdrum corporate industry, made up of companies very eager to blow their own horns.
Jeez; what an embarrassment.
Did you see the look on the officers faces?
I felt their pain and I'm an American.
They should check with the PR dept of Aussie Navy?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56754868
philip_pj wrote
Lloyd Chambers has a neat page on the 35/2 APO:https://diglloyd.com/blog/2021/20210216_1146-VoigtlanderFE35f2.html
Some interesting things there. This one hits home.
"Voigtlander does a spectacularly crude job of marketing its lenses, all while hiding its light under a bushel basket—you have to work at it to glean information about their new lenses. I guess I’m glad they pay engineers instead of marketing bozos writing hyperbolic product descriptions.."
It's part of their character not to do so, this is an eccentric company in a humdrum corporate industry, made up of companies very eager to blow their own horns.
Jeez; what an embarrassment.
Did you see the look on the officers faces?
I felt their pain and I'm an American.
Apr 15, 2021 at 08:29 AM
p.8 #6Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
So where are the images folks?
Apr 15, 2021 at 03:50 PM
p.8 #7Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
DaveFP wrote:
So where are the images folks?
Here are a few (larger versions are at the end of this gallery: https://kplphoto.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Early-Spring-in-New-England-2021/). These are all on the A7R4.
At f/2:
Also at f/2:
At f/10:
f/6.3:
And at f/8:
So where are the images folks?
Here are a few (larger versions are at the end of this gallery: https://kplphoto.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Early-Spring-in-New-England-2021/). These are all on the A7R4.
At f/2:
Also at f/2:
At f/10:
f/6.3:
And at f/8:
Apr 15, 2021 at 06:51 PM
p.8 #8Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
kevphoto wrote:
Here are a few (larger versions are at the end of this gallery: https://kplphoto.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Early-Spring-in-New-England-2021/). These are all on the A7R4.
At f/2:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Early-Spring-in-New-England-2021/i-5FX7KbV/0/7724797d/X3/_DSC3380-Edit-X3.jpg
Also at f/2:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Early-Spring-in-New-England-2021/i-zTPhXDF/0/b93d5146/X2/_DSC3398-Edit-X2.jpg
At f/10:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Early-Spring-in-New-England-2021/i-bMhwSzb/0/a2f55596/X2/_DSC3444-Edit-X2.jpg
f/6.3:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Early-Spring-in-New-England-2021/i-tdnmtgw/0/af8d8abb/X2/_DSC3435-Edit-X2.jpg
And at f/8:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Early-Spring-in-New-England-2021/i-44r6mLj/0/ef9a4ffe/X3/_DSC3464-Edit-X3.jpg
Sweet; looking good.
DaveFP wrote
So where are the images folks?At f/2:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Early-Spring-in-New-England-2021/i-5FX7KbV/0/7724797d/X3/_DSC3380-Edit-X3.jpg
Also at f/2:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Early-Spring-in-New-England-2021/i-zTPhXDF/0/b93d5146/X2/_DSC3398-Edit-X2.jpg
At f/10:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Early-Spring-in-New-England-2021/i-bMhwSzb/0/a2f55596/X2/_DSC3444-Edit-X2.jpg
f/6.3:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Early-Spring-in-New-England-2021/i-tdnmtgw/0/af8d8abb/X2/_DSC3435-Edit-X2.jpg
And at f/8:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Early-Spring-in-New-England-2021/i-44r6mLj/0/ef9a4ffe/X3/_DSC3464-Edit-X3.jpg
Sweet; looking good.
Apr 15, 2021 at 07:45 PM
p.8 #9Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
hi! anyone has news for sunstars?
Apr 16, 2021 at 12:31 AM
p.8 #10Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
@fred miranda
Pls compare with GM and SY 1.4 if possible
Pls compare with GM and SY 1.4 if possible
Apr 16, 2021 at 01:15 AM
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p.8 #11Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
nandadevieast wrote:
@fred@ miranda
Pls compare with GM and SY 1.4 if possible
Fred said many times that he will make a comparison between the 3 last 35mm (sigma GM apo). But like you, I'm really curious to see his comparisons ;-)
@fred@ miranda
Pls compare with GM and SY 1.4 if possible
Fred said many times that he will make a comparison between the 3 last 35mm (sigma GM apo). But like you, I'm really curious to see his comparisons ;-)
Apr 16, 2021 at 01:37 AM
p.8 #12Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
Distortion
The Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO is well corrected for distortion. There is no profile for Lightroom yet but when available, it won't do much to the image. Outstanding.
The Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO is well corrected for distortion. There is no profile for Lightroom yet but when available, it won't do much to the image. Outstanding.
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Apr 16, 2021 at 01:45 PM
p.8 #13Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
Here is a comparison to the Sigma 35mm f/2 DG DN, which has some barrel distortion.
The Sigma also has a much wider AOV even at this distance.
The Sigma also has a much wider AOV even at this distance.
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Apr 16, 2021 at 01:46 PM
p.8 #14Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
That's my one niggle on the Sigma . Distortion
Good to see the CV is minimal
Good to see the CV is minimal
Apr 16, 2021 at 02:06 PM
p.8 #15Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
Minimal Focus Distance performance (MFD)
The Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO focuses as close as 0.35 m (E-mount) and 0.5m for the M-mount version. I will be testing the E-mount version here. (Max. Magnification: 1:6.4)
It does not focus as close as the latest 35mm lenses on the market like the FE 35/1.4 GM or Sigma 35/2 DG DN which can both focus as close as 0.27m.
The MFD's resolution performance is good wide open, great at f/2.8 and outstanding at f/4:
Full image size (thumbnail):
Here are 100% crops showing the center area at 0.35m:
(This has been updated using my latest copy, which is optimal)
MFD: f/2 vs f/2.2 (100% magnification)
MFD: f/2.2 vs f/2.5 (100% magnification)
MFD: f/2.5 vs f/2.8 (100% magnification)
MFD: f/2.8 vs f/4 (100% magnification)
The Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO focuses as close as 0.35 m (E-mount) and 0.5m for the M-mount version. I will be testing the E-mount version here. (Max. Magnification: 1:6.4)
It does not focus as close as the latest 35mm lenses on the market like the FE 35/1.4 GM or Sigma 35/2 DG DN which can both focus as close as 0.27m.
The MFD's resolution performance is good wide open, great at f/2.8 and outstanding at f/4:
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(This has been updated using my latest copy, which is optimal)
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MFD: f/2 vs f/2.2 (100% magnification)
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MFD: f/2.2 vs f/2.5 (100% magnification)
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MFD: f/2.5 vs f/2.8 (100% magnification)
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MFD: f/2.8 vs f/4 (100% magnification)
Apr 16, 2021 at 02:44 PM
p.8 #16Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
nandadevieast wrote:
@fred@ miranda
Pls compare with GM and SY 1.4 if possible
I will compare it to the Sony 35/1.4 GM. (Sorry don't have the Samyang in hands. Great lens though)
@fred@ miranda
Pls compare with GM and SY 1.4 if possible
I will compare it to the Sony 35/1.4 GM. (Sorry don't have the Samyang in hands. Great lens though)
Apr 16, 2021 at 02:47 PM
p.8 #17Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
More samples, these were posted in the other thread.
Apr 16, 2021 at 06:06 PM
p.8 #18Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
rji2goleez wrote:
More samples, these were posted in the other thread.
That ('67 or '68?) Bonneville station wagon is something else. Really was another era.
More samples, these were posted in the other thread.
That ('67 or '68?) Bonneville station wagon is something else. Really was another era.
Apr 16, 2021 at 07:24 PM
p.8 #19Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
photonoclast wrote:
That ('67 or '68?) Bonneville station wagon is something else. Really was another era.
I know . . . I would love to take it off their hands!
rji2goleez wrote
More samples, these were posted in the other thread.I know . . . I would love to take it off their hands!
Apr 16, 2021 at 07:55 PM
p.8 #20Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review
Love the pics
This is what I would do to that Bonneville.
Designed for a Pontiac
535 cu.in. Butler Performance Pro-Street Engine with BDS 8:71 Blower and March Serpentine system. This combo made 880 HP and 778 ft.lbs. Torque ON PUMP GAS and STREETABLE
Blown 535
This is what I would do to that Bonneville.
Designed for a Pontiac
535 cu.in. Butler Performance Pro-Street Engine with BDS 8:71 Blower and March Serpentine system. This combo made 880 HP and 778 ft.lbs. Torque ON PUMP GAS and STREETABLE
Blown 535
Apr 16, 2021 at 08:45 PM