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Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review

  
 
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p.32 #1 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


zugzwang2 wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion. I've become quite adept at provoking the bulls-eye bokeh effect. Now perhaps I can learn to avoid doing that so that I can continue to enjoy a terrific (if imperfect) lens.

https://flic.kr/p/2kZfBer


I find that defect unacceptable, and would definitely try another copy just in case.
Note that I don’t own the lens, and I am judging just by my experience with other aspheric lenses.



May 17, 2021 at 10:00 PM
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p.32 #2 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


zugzwang2 wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion. I've become quite adept at provoking the bulls-eye bokeh effect. Now perhaps I can learn to avoid doing that so that I can continue to enjoy a terrific (if imperfect) lens.

https://flic.kr/p/2kZfBer


Can you post the full images?

I think it's a characteristic of the lens and not a defect. Therefore, I'm pretty sure that exchanging it won't help.
Cosina has improved their aspherical molding tech lately but it's still not on par with Sony's. IMO they should try to improve this further if possible.

This "bulls-eye" effect seems to be something else and happens with many of their lenses, including the Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1516812

Having said that, I think it will be rare to see this ill-effect in images from this lens since it happens at distance and it's too small to be visible in full size images.

I found this in one of my images as well but it's only visible at pixel level (100% magnification)









100% crop (1:1) from image above




May 17, 2021 at 10:47 PM
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p.32 #3 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Thank you Fred!

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I've been using the Zeiss UV filters with the Voigtlander APO lenses as well. For me, it removes any noticeable magenta shading. Somehow it only seems to be an issue with Sony, not Leica.

Amazing images!

Can't wait to take the new APO lenses for a landscape trip.





May 17, 2021 at 11:10 PM
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p.32 #4 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


This bulls-eye effect is easiest to see in specular highlights but it is sometimes visible to a lesser extent in other parts of an image such as out-of-focus foliage. I first noticed it in specular highlights through my garden fence as I was trying to confirm your suggestion that bokeh would calm down a bit at f/2.8. The effect is visible in the (very small) highlights in the fence at f/2.0 and f/2.8, but you have to zoom in to see it:
https://flic.kr/p/2kZbJLz
https://flic.kr/p/2kZbJLz

The effect is not prominent in the absence of bright highlights (here at f/2.8), although I suppose that it may contribute to the rendering issues that you noted in your earlier posts:
https://flic.kr/p/2kZfz31

As you noted, the bulls-eye effect is likely more common in tiny distant highlights, but it can appear at closer distances, too:
https://flic.kr/p/2kZ8gx8





May 18, 2021 at 12:58 AM
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p.32 #5 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Can't decide between the Voigtländer Apo Lanthar 35 2.0, Ultron 35 1.7 or Nokton 40 1.2


May 18, 2021 at 01:36 AM
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p.32 #6 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


No experience with the 35APO, between the 1.2/40 & 1.7/35, easy, I would take the Ultron. Sharpness (centre) wide open is very good.


May 18, 2021 at 03:48 AM
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p.32 #7 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Fred, I believe the “black dot” effect (I think the examples zugzwang2 shows are more like “floating breasts” ) is a manifestation of Coma. Many old lenses I have show this (but without the wrinkles).


May 18, 2021 at 04:45 AM
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p.32 #8 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Finaly, 3rd copy is perfect.


May 18, 2021 at 04:47 AM
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p.32 #9 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Fred Miranda wrote:
Can you post the full images?

I think it's a characteristic of the lens and not a defect. Therefore, I'm pretty sure that exchanging it won't help.
Cosina has improved their aspherical molding tech lately but it's still not on par with Sony. IMO they should try to improve this further if possible.

This "black dot" effect seems to be something else and happens with many of their lenses, including the Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1516812

Having said that, I think it will be rare to see this ill-effect in images from this lens since it happens at distance and it's too small to be
...Show more

In the zoomed image, there's some greenish outlining on the soda can, looks like CA to me.



May 18, 2021 at 06:39 AM
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p.32 #10 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Hornhauer wrote:
Can't decide between the Voigtländer Apo Lanthar 35 2.0, Ultron 35 1.7 or Nokton 40 1.2

Im no expert but I have had all 3 but not at the same time.

2/35 - excellent - just get this one if you have the money and the weight is ok - this is what I now use and I regard this as the benchmark mf 35mm lens.

1,7/35 - so good and so light but on a Sony I hated the adapter / filter issue. By that I mean you need to find a 'bad' adapter that is too small to allow infinity focusing with the filter. Or you can use a Hawk Factory adapter but now you have a mutant lens - maybe you like that - I did for a week or so. Using the original hood / filters is another thing. 35 is my main lens and I really wanted it to be this lens due to weight/ quality but it's not for me. The lack of electronic contacts cannot be understated either.

1,2/40 really this is quite different than the 2/35. It is a very nice lens but the noktons and the apos seems to co-exsist not compete - the aperture, rendering, sharpness character - they are quite different. Also the focal length....




May 18, 2021 at 08:59 AM
 


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p.32 #11 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Fred Miranda wrote:
Can you post the full images?
[…]
I found this in one of my images as well but it's only visible at pixel level (100% magnification)


Fred’s copy seem to have a different, less pronounced and more tolerable onion-fingerprint.



May 18, 2021 at 10:52 AM
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p.32 #12 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Hello!
My first Picture with the 35mm APO Lanthar, attached on my A7RIV. Maybe the amount of sharpness of 180 in CaptureOne is too much for this Lens?
The Lens is recognized by C1 as Loxia 35mm!? I changed the Profile to Manufacturer profile, as the CA's looks better corrected with this profile.
Greetings from Switzerland. Marco

https://flic.kr/p/2kZ1o5A



May 18, 2021 at 12:41 PM
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p.32 #13 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Even the new Leica 35mm APO-Summicon has this black dot effect in the bokeh

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May 18, 2021 at 04:49 PM
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p.32 #14 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


The black dot there is towards the bottom (drooping?).

Who watches such 2 hours and 16mins videos?

thepaulbrown wrote:
Even the new Leica 35mm APO-Summicon has this black dot effect in the bokeh

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?t=5026





May 18, 2021 at 04:57 PM
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p.32 #15 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


I think we may still appreciate their time and effort to provide good information in spite of lengthy video.


May 18, 2021 at 05:23 PM
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p.32 #16 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


thepaulbrown wrote:
Even the new Leica 35mm APO-Summicon has this black dot effect in the bokeh


There's something wrong with the bokeh. The Leica dot should be red.




May 18, 2021 at 07:16 PM
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p.32 #17 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Bokeh sensitivity, some may enjoy this analysis as much as I did:

http://text.flowtographyberlin.de/zeiss-otus-vs-sigma-art-vs-nikkor-58/3/



May 18, 2021 at 10:05 PM
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p.32 #18 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


thepaulbrown wrote:
Even the new Leica 35mm APO-Summicon has this black dot effect in the bokeh

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?t=5026


That definitely looks like dust on a lens element.



May 18, 2021 at 10:43 PM
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p.32 #19 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


zugzwang2 wrote:
There's something wrong with the bokeh. The Leica dot should be red.



:-))

The 35 Lux also shows a hint of "bull's eye" pattern.
Thanks to you, we now have a new adjective for bokeh inner structure!







May 18, 2021 at 11:14 PM
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p.32 #20 · Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Some random shots...

Sony a7R III + Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 35mm f/2

Tree Wisteria by Tim Devine, on Flickr


Frog by Tim Devine, on Flickr


The Webb Farmhouse by Tim Devine, on Flickr


The Webb Farmhouse by Tim Devine, on Flickr

Edited on May 20, 2021 at 05:44 AM · View previous versions



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