Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
p.4 #1Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Holger wrote:
Wonder how compact they're gonna manage to make this one though. I know it's one of their design tenants, so obviously some effort has been made. I think the only disappointing signal by this release is that it's looking more likely the 20 1.8 G was a one-off, and we won't be seeing more 1.8 lenses on a GM level.I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that there will not be a 50 f/1.8G. I think such a lens is very possible and would be a great fit with the system especially if they can keep the price to about $500. I would love to see Sony have a 20 f/1.8G; 28 f/1.8G, 50 f/1.8G, and a 100 f/1.8 (or maybe f/2)G as a nice set of quality lenses that are smaller and high quality.I agree that it is there, but IMO it is another lens that needs an update. It uses the older type of aspherical elements that causes onion rings in the bokeh. It has quite a bit of axial CA until at least f/2.8, and the rendering of the bokeh is a bit rough in transition zones. Yes it is sharp, yes it is small, and yes it focusses fast. For a lot of people that is what they care about most, but to me the Sony 20 f/1.8 goes further with good control of CA and nice rendering. I think Sony would do well to replicate that type of performance with a 28mm f/1.8G (where the 28 f/2 is less than stellar), a 50mm f/1.8G (where the 50 f/1.8 non-G is good for the price but doesn't compete in performance with the Nikon 50 f/1.8S and the 55 f/1.8 ZA is looking a bit long in the tooth as described above), and at 100mm where Sony could tip its hat to its Minolta heritage with a 100 f/1.8 (or f/2) G.I think it depends on the use case of the 55/1.8. I wouldn't use it so much for landscapes, or architecture or similar things, for photographing people I really like the way the 55 renders. Whether the bokeh balls have a bit of onion rings when looking closely, is mostly not an issue at all and only enthusiasts look at such things instead of looking at the subject of interest in the image ;-)
I don't know why you wouldn't use the 55 for landscapes or architecture! It's only, and very minor, downsides are LoCA at wide apertures (although it's starp as anything) and a little bit of onion ring, and maybe the sunstar loving brigade, of which I am an every second tuesday member, might have reservations. But for landscape it's perfect; at landscape apertures no Loca, and super sharp. It's not as contrasty as some lenses, but in the kind of way that just means a small contrast boost on conversion if you prefer that.
Steve Spencer wrote
6683 wrote
55/1.8 is already there. And its good.Steve Spencer wrote
JVan_02 wrote
Ahahahaha. Knew they weren't gonna replace the 50 1.4 ZA like they were the 35.Wonder how compact they're gonna manage to make this one though. I know it's one of their design tenants, so obviously some effort has been made. I think the only disappointing signal by this release is that it's looking more likely the 20 1.8 G was a one-off, and we won't be seeing more 1.8 lenses on a GM level.
I don't know why you wouldn't use the 55 for landscapes or architecture! It's only, and very minor, downsides are LoCA at wide apertures (although it's starp as anything) and a little bit of onion ring, and maybe the sunstar loving brigade, of which I am an every second tuesday member, might have reservations. But for landscape it's perfect; at landscape apertures no Loca, and super sharp. It's not as contrasty as some lenses, but in the kind of way that just means a small contrast boost on conversion if you prefer that.
Feb 24, 2021 at 03:16 PM
p.4 #2Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
chiron wrote:
Wonder how compact they're gonna manage to make this one though. I know it's one of their design tenants, so obviously some effort has been made. I think the only disappointing signal by this release is that it's looking more likely the 20 1.8 G was a one-off, and we won't be seeing more 1.8 lenses on a GM level.I think there is a good chance for more 1.8G lenses. I suspect eventually we'll see a 1.8G replacement for 1.8/55;How about a 28 1.8 G? Or a 28mm GM?
I have no clue how likely it is, but a 1.8/28G would be an instant buy for me...more so than a somewhat larger 1.4GM
DavidBM wrote
JVan_02 wrote
Ahahahaha. Knew they weren't gonna replace the 50 1.4 ZA like they were the 35.Wonder how compact they're gonna manage to make this one though. I know it's one of their design tenants, so obviously some effort has been made. I think the only disappointing signal by this release is that it's looking more likely the 20 1.8 G was a one-off, and we won't be seeing more 1.8 lenses on a GM level.
I have no clue how likely it is, but a 1.8/28G would be an instant buy for me...more so than a somewhat larger 1.4GM
Feb 24, 2021 at 03:19 PM
p.4 #3Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
mudlake wrote:
All I wanted was a 50/1.4 GM at 500 grams and $1,300. This 1.2 will be bigger and more expensive which means a likely no buy. I’ll wait and see...
yeah, I would personally have preferred a smaller, lighter, and even better version of the ZA1.4
But this lens probably makes more commercial sense, and I'm sure plenty will prefer it.
All I wanted was a 50/1.4 GM at 500 grams and $1,300. This 1.2 will be bigger and more expensive which means a likely no buy. I’ll wait and see...
yeah, I would personally have preferred a smaller, lighter, and even better version of the ZA1.4
But this lens probably makes more commercial sense, and I'm sure plenty will prefer it.
Feb 24, 2021 at 03:29 PM
p.4 #4Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
DavidBM wrote:
yeah, I would personally have preferred a smaller, lighter, and even better version of the ZA1.4
But this lens probably makes more commercial sense, and I'm sure plenty will prefer it.
Sony is crafty, they may have plans for a new 50/1.4 GM or maybe even G as well. Putting on my best marketing/conspiracy hat, perhaps their plan is to release a beautiful, spendy 50/1.2 GM to suck up all the demand from high end users who want a 50 GM and have the money to pay for it...then they'll release a lower spec, smaller, but still great and quite expensive 50/1.4 to get those who can't (or won't) make the leap to a pricey 1.2 but would happily pay a pretty penny for a quality 1.4 that's smaller than the current ZA.
mudlake wrote
All I wanted was a 50/1.4 GM at 500 grams and $1,300. This 1.2 will be bigger and more expensive which means a likely no buy. I’ll wait and see...But this lens probably makes more commercial sense, and I'm sure plenty will prefer it.
Sony is crafty, they may have plans for a new 50/1.4 GM or maybe even G as well. Putting on my best marketing/conspiracy hat, perhaps their plan is to release a beautiful, spendy 50/1.2 GM to suck up all the demand from high end users who want a 50 GM and have the money to pay for it...then they'll release a lower spec, smaller, but still great and quite expensive 50/1.4 to get those who can't (or won't) make the leap to a pricey 1.2 but would happily pay a pretty penny for a quality 1.4 that's smaller than the current ZA.
Feb 24, 2021 at 04:00 PM
p.4 #5Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
I think a Sony GM 50 1.2 is to quiet the naysayers who keep saying Canon’s glass is better because it’s 1.2 (a statement I disagree with).
DavidBM wrote:
yeah, I would personally have preferred a smaller, lighter, and even better version of the ZA1.4
But this lens probably makes more commercial sense, and I'm sure plenty will prefer it.
DavidBM wrote:
mudlake wrote
All I wanted was a 50/1.4 GM at 500 grams and $1,300. This 1.2 will be bigger and more expensive which means a likely no buy. I’ll wait and see...But this lens probably makes more commercial sense, and I'm sure plenty will prefer it.
Feb 24, 2021 at 04:13 PM
p.4 #6Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
ShootPDX wrote:
I think a Sony GM 50 1.2 is to quiet the naysayers who keep saying Canon’s glass is better because it’s 1.2 (a statement I disagree with).
yeah, I would personally have preferred a smaller, lighter, and even better version of the ZA1.4
But this lens probably makes more commercial sense, and I'm sure plenty will prefer it.
And to quiet those who falsely, and without knowledge of physics, claim that f/1.2 lenses for Sony E-mount are impossible.
I think a Sony GM 50 1.2 is to quiet the naysayers who keep saying Canon’s glass is better because it’s 1.2 (a statement I disagree with).
DavidBM wrote
mudlake wrote
All I wanted was a 50/1.4 GM at 500 grams and $1,300. This 1.2 will be bigger and more expensive which means a likely no buy. I’ll wait and see...But this lens probably makes more commercial sense, and I'm sure plenty will prefer it.
And to quiet those who falsely, and without knowledge of physics, claim that f/1.2 lenses for Sony E-mount are impossible.
Feb 24, 2021 at 06:10 PM
p.4 #7Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Back when I shot with Canon, I had the 50mm f/1.2, and while I didn't use it much, and would even less today as I 99.99% focus on birds, I would still be tempted on this new Sony lens. There's just something magical about them.
Talk me out of it.
Talk me out of it.
Feb 24, 2021 at 08:37 PM
p.4 #8Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Regarding size they won't be able to leverage the 18mm flange distance at 50mm compared to ultra wides. Sony's current favorite tricks to minimize size are to sacrifice vignetting, distortion, and breathing. Relaxing distortion may not be reclaim too much weight given there's not much correction required at 50mm. Not sure how much they can relax correction for vignetting given that f/1.2 should have a fair amount baked in. I'm predicting the size and weight will be on par with Canon's ~1kg beast.
Feb 24, 2021 at 10:50 PM
p.4 #9Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
I much rather a 50mm f1.4 GM lens that is at least as good as the Zeiss ZA 50mm f1.4 yet smaller and lighter. Then I will switch to the new lens right away. I doubt a f1.2 lens will meet my size and weight criteria.
Feb 25, 2021 at 08:57 AM
p.4 #10Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
DavidBM wrote:
JVan_02 wrote
Ahahahaha. Knew they weren't gonna replace the 50 1.4 ZA like they were the 35.Wonder how compact they're gonna manage to make this one though. I know it's one of their design tenants, so obviously some effort has been made. I think the only disappointing signal by this release is that it's looking more likely the 20 1.8 G was a one-off, and we won't be seeing more 1.8 lenses on a GM level.
Do hope you are right!
I like the FE 55mm f1.8 a lot.
Would like it had lineair MF and the AF/MF button.
Feb 25, 2021 at 10:35 AM
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p.4 #11Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
......... If it is smaller than the 50 RF I might be interested. As much as I love the rendering of the Canon, it is so front heavy when attached to the R bodies.
Feb 25, 2021 at 11:56 AM
p.4 #12Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
DavidBM wrote:
mudlake wrote
All I wanted was a 50/1.4 GM at 500 grams and $1,300. This 1.2 will be bigger and more expensive which means a likely no buy. I’ll wait and see...But this lens probably makes more commercial sense, and I'm sure plenty will prefer it.
F1.8 and GM optics.
I really think bokeh and small DOF is largely over estimated at the moment.
Feb 25, 2021 at 12:32 PM
p.4 #13Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
bjornthun wrote:
yeah, I would personally have preferred a smaller, lighter, and even better version of the ZA1.4
But this lens probably makes more commercial sense, and I'm sure plenty will prefer it.And to quiet those who falsely, and without knowledge of physics, claim that f/1.2 lenses for Sony E-mount are impossible.
This was always the dumbest argument. There were f/0.95 full frame lenses available for e-mount that worked just fine 5 years ago. Now we have several, plus many f/1.2 lenses from Voigtlander and one from Sigma, and of course you could adapt things like the EF 85/1.2L without any problems too. So I have no idea how anyone rational could claim that it was impossible. I also would point to the Leica 50/0.95 Noctilux. The M mount is even narrower than the E-mount.
ShootPDX wrote
I think a Sony GM 50 1.2 is to quiet the naysayers who keep saying Canon’s glass is better because it’s 1.2 (a statement I disagree with).DavidBM wrote
mudlake wrote
All I wanted was a 50/1.4 GM at 500 grams and $1,300. This 1.2 will be bigger and more expensive which means a likely no buy. I’ll wait and see...But this lens probably makes more commercial sense, and I'm sure plenty will prefer it.
This was always the dumbest argument. There were f/0.95 full frame lenses available for e-mount that worked just fine 5 years ago. Now we have several, plus many f/1.2 lenses from Voigtlander and one from Sigma, and of course you could adapt things like the EF 85/1.2L without any problems too. So I have no idea how anyone rational could claim that it was impossible. I also would point to the Leica 50/0.95 Noctilux. The M mount is even narrower than the E-mount.
Feb 25, 2021 at 12:33 PM
p.4 #14Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
I often read that 35mm is preferable, because you have more of the surroundings..., that you can't see because of the f1.2
Feb 25, 2021 at 12:39 PM
p.4 #15Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
definitely interested, but hopefully Sony gets their production issues resolved ASAP. don't want to turn this into another 35GM fiasco...
Feb 25, 2021 at 03:46 PM
p.4 #16Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
JVJL wrote:
Regarding size they won't be able to leverage the 18mm flange distance at 50mm compared to ultra wides. Sony's current favorite tricks to minimize size are to sacrifice vignetting, distortion, and breathing. Relaxing distortion may not be reclaim too much weight given there's not much correction required at 50mm. Not sure how much they can relax correction for vignetting given that f/1.2 should have a fair amount baked in. I'm predicting the size and weight will be on par with Canon's ~1kg beast.
Vignetting on some of their lenses is a bit of an issue for astro but probably for portrait either a. is fine or b. the increased noise isn't a big deal.
Chris
Regarding size they won't be able to leverage the 18mm flange distance at 50mm compared to ultra wides. Sony's current favorite tricks to minimize size are to sacrifice vignetting, distortion, and breathing. Relaxing distortion may not be reclaim too much weight given there's not much correction required at 50mm. Not sure how much they can relax correction for vignetting given that f/1.2 should have a fair amount baked in. I'm predicting the size and weight will be on par with Canon's ~1kg beast.
Vignetting on some of their lenses is a bit of an issue for astro but probably for portrait either a. is fine or b. the increased noise isn't a big deal.
Chris
Feb 25, 2021 at 05:01 PM
p.4 #17Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Shoot, like some of you I was hoping for an update to the 50 1.4 ZA with GM build and features and improved AF and maybe some IQ improvements here and there... Not keen on what f1.2 means... Hopefully they pull out a miracle of engineering and do it in less than the size and weight of the current ZA.
Feb 25, 2021 at 05:11 PM
p.4 #18Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Is it just me or is there a pattern to this madness? Sony’s current high end lens strategy is sensible - ludicrous statement lens - sensible.
50mm F1.2 GM - bonkers, just to show it’s possible on e-mount.
35mm F1.4 GM - sensible, needed upgrade.
12-24mm F2.8 GM - completely nuts, ya just had to do it.
20mm F1.8 G - sensible wide angle prime that’s compact and just the right aperture
Wonder what sensible lens we are getting next.
50mm F1.2 GM - bonkers, just to show it’s possible on e-mount.
35mm F1.4 GM - sensible, needed upgrade.
12-24mm F2.8 GM - completely nuts, ya just had to do it.
20mm F1.8 G - sensible wide angle prime that’s compact and just the right aperture
Wonder what sensible lens we are getting next.
Feb 25, 2021 at 08:48 PM
p.4 #19Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Honestly the 50/1.2 is exactly what I wanted - something really super fast, but really good optics and AF.
Feb 25, 2021 at 10:02 PM
p.4 #20Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
lightskyland wrote:
Honestly the 50/1.2 is exactly what I wanted - something really super fast, but really good optics and AF.
If Sony pulls this off and engineers a miracle that is sharp at f1.2, has great bokeh and rendering, and weighs somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 grams, I may very well plunk down a chunk of money. Go Sony! Give us the miracle 50mm we’ve been waiting for. 🙂
Feb 25, 2021 at 11:23 PM