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sathsy2017
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Today I drove 3 hours to whitewater draw wild life refuge site in AZ (3 hours from phoenix).

First time trying out the A7iii + 200-600G Lens (nothing wrong with the lens I know that, operator error and techniques).

Frustrating stuff:

Low light ISO is crazy ugly to clean up even with Topaz (6400 ISO).
The steady shot modes (1,2,3) - I just could not get a hang of it.
shutter vs aperture (low light) vs manual especially for this lens and BIF is just causing me split headache.
For a minute, I thought I nailed it with AF lock ON and AFC - Boy I was in for surprise.
One of the hawk pictures would have been one of the coolest pictures, but man... again focus / I was in mode 2 when the bird was coming towards me (very swift).
I also realized that the RAW was set to uncompressed (landscape settings sighs!!!)


Obviously a lot of learning I need to do. Any tips / good techniques tutorials for BIF/ low light within the boundaries of 200 - 600 G lens is much appreciated.

Picture is just for attention - not sure if it is a gyrfalcon or northern harrier.

I can post other pictures to show the crazy noise at 6400. I am kinda lost.






























bad focus / air quality/ wrong OSS mode



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Feb 20, 2021 at 10:25 AM
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You sure picked up a challenging subject as a beginner. This is a northern harrier (female). Not the easiest subject at all.

There are too many factors and details involved in getting great BIF shots, it's not possible to cover these on an Internet forum. Some of the techniques needs hands-on / in-person instruction in the field just like hunting.

There are a few general tips though

- exposure: I always use manual exposure, your goal is to specifically expose for the bird, not the entire frame. best method is ME to avoid the BG fooling the meter.

-shutter speed: keep it fast, 1/3200 sec or faster, increase ISO as needed.

-ISO 6400 : whether it is a keeper or not depends on the camera, the sharpness of the RAW and post processing skills. Most of such shots are instant deletes as the raptors feathers do not render well in low light and high ISO, especially in motion. You need to use a good raw convertor such as C1P + advanced selective NR to get descent IQ if the RAW is tack sharp.

-AF: you need to use the correct mode, I don't know much about A7 III, I use A9 II, for harriers zone works well but it also depends on your panning skills and competence. I have tried A7R4 a few times but it was terrible for raptor shots, too much lag and soft images. yikes, gave it up instantly. It was not ideal for BIF and will continue to frustrate the user.

- 200-600 + TC shooting raptors in low light is really stretching it, especially when the bird is far and you need to crop. I find it to work well for close subjects but cannot render fine details of a harrier if she doesn't fill the frame.

-Raptors are skittish, 99% of the time I use my 600GM + 2X TC for harriers. a short or slow lens can be quite frustrating. You can focus on more tame birds first such as ducks, terns, wading birds, etc. that are much more approachable.

-light: don't shoot in harsh light, evening is the best time. put the sun behind your neck

-OIS : I use mode 3.

- If you want honest critique of your photos and want to improve your bird photography techniques beyond a casual hobby search online, there are a few websites where you can get great feedback from the pro's.

hope this helps a bit at least



Feb 22, 2021 at 09:12 PM
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Thank you so much. This was a happy-go lucky type shot when I was actually shooting sandhill cranes and other birds in white water draw.

>- If you want honest critique of your photos and want to improve your bird photography techniques beyond a casual hobby search online, there are a few websites where you can get great feedback from the pro's.
Can you please let me know any website for review?

I did not realize that you are Arash. I read your blog about air quality for BIF shots. while I do not want me to completely believe that I got bad shots because of that, it was a great learning.

speedmaster20d wrote:
You sure picked up a challenging subject as a beginner. This is a northern harrier (female). Not the easiest subject at all.

There are too many factors and details involved in getting great BIF shots, it's not possible to cover these on an Internet forum. Some of the techniques needs hands-on / in-person instruction in the field just like hunting.

There are a few general tips though

- exposure: I always use manual exposure, your goal is to specifically expose for the bird, not the entire frame. best method is ME to avoid the BG fooling the meter.

-shutter speed: keep
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Feb 22, 2021 at 10:10 PM
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PM'ed you


Feb 22, 2021 at 10:23 PM





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