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p.67 #1A1 Reviews/Video thread
randomguy wrote:
I am sorry, but it would be nice if you actually had something to back your claim up before make it instead of just dispensing useless assumptions as facts. This is at least a main part of the reason you are meeting resistance here. In fact making claims like that without anything to base it on can easily pass as trolling, because it gets hard to see any other motivation behind it.
I have nothing to back it up with, just tony's video and his comments as for 1dx's they are tough cameras ask anyone who has used them, they might be able to confirm it in the canon forum for you or use youtube to check for vids on the subject. I know mine fell off a mountain and survived.... that's my limited knowledge on the subject. The Sony 600 GM is 10 grams lighter than the canon, might be the material they used. but light is a good thing for what i do. Sorry can't help you any more than that.
Pius Sullivan wrote
That's what scares me about the A1, Tony made it look so easy to drop a 20,000$ lens, surely the A1 would not have survived that fall and the Sony lens looks to be more flimsy than the Canon'sI have nothing to back it up with, just tony's video and his comments as for 1dx's they are tough cameras ask anyone who has used them, they might be able to confirm it in the canon forum for you or use youtube to check for vids on the subject. I know mine fell off a mountain and survived.... that's my limited knowledge on the subject. The Sony 600 GM is 10 grams lighter than the canon, might be the material they used. but light is a good thing for what i do. Sorry can't help you any more than that.
Mar 27, 2021 at 08:28 AM
p.67 #2A1 Reviews/Video thread
Pius Sullivan wrote:
I am sorry, but it would be nice if you actually had something to back your claim up before make it instead of just dispensing useless assumptions as facts. This is at least a main part of the reason you are meeting resistance here. In fact making claims like that without anything to base it on can easily pass as trolling, because it gets hard to see any other motivation behind it.I have nothing to back it up with, just tony's video and his comments as for 1dx's they are tough cameras ask anyone who has used them, they might be able to confirm it in the canon forum for you or use youtube to check for vids on the subject. I know mine fell off a mountain and survived.... that's my limited knowledge on the subject. The Sony 600 GM is 10 grams lighter than the canon, might be the material they used. but light is a good thing for what i do. Sorry can't help you any more...Show more →
Yeah but that is an anecdote. Toss 100 A1s and 100 1DXs off same cliff and then we can start forming some qualified opinions on how robust they really are. Also that something is heavier doesn't make it more solid in itself, but it means it falls harder.
randomguy wrote
Pius Sullivan wrote
That's what scares me about the A1, Tony made it look so easy to drop a 20,000$ lens, surely the A1 would not have survived that fall and the Sony lens looks to be more flimsy than the Canon'sYeah but that is an anecdote. Toss 100 A1s and 100 1DXs off same cliff and then we can start forming some qualified opinions on how robust they really are. Also that something is heavier doesn't make it more solid in itself, but it means it falls harder.
Mar 27, 2021 at 08:35 AM
p.67 #3A1 Reviews/Video thread
randomguy wrote:
I am sorry, but it would be nice if you actually had something to back your claim up before make it instead of just dispensing useless assumptions as facts. This is at least a main part of the reason you are meeting resistance here. In fact making claims like that without anything to base it on can easily pass as trolling, because it gets hard to see any other motivation behind it.
The 600/4 looks very robust, being made of magnesium alloys:
https://www.focuscamera.com/wavelength/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Sony-600mm-F4-G-Master-Prime-magnesium-alloy-1.jpg
At weddings our gear suffers quite some bruises. Since the A9/A9ii and now the A1, I don't have any fear regarding robustness anymore. Look and feel very solid, after many heart-stopping incidents.
Only one bruise is visible now. One of our A9s has a dent in the lcd, when it swung against the corner of a wooden table with force. It survived some fall on wood and concrete, too. Still works fine, though.
The things one needs to take care of is one of the top wheels, but nothing happened with those in five years of using Sony professionally. My D810 on the other hand needed readjustment of the mount and mirror box after it swung against a wall at a wedding.
Pius Sullivan wrote
That's what scares me about the A1, Tony made it look so easy to drop a 20,000$ lens, surely the A1 would not have survived that fall and the Sony lens looks to be more flimsy than the Canon'sThe 600/4 looks very robust, being made of magnesium alloys:
https://www.focuscamera.com/wavelength/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Sony-600mm-F4-G-Master-Prime-magnesium-alloy-1.jpg
At weddings our gear suffers quite some bruises. Since the A9/A9ii and now the A1, I don't have any fear regarding robustness anymore. Look and feel very solid, after many heart-stopping incidents.
Only one bruise is visible now. One of our A9s has a dent in the lcd, when it swung against the corner of a wooden table with force. It survived some fall on wood and concrete, too. Still works fine, though.
The things one needs to take care of is one of the top wheels, but nothing happened with those in five years of using Sony professionally. My D810 on the other hand needed readjustment of the mount and mirror box after it swung against a wall at a wedding.
Mar 27, 2021 at 08:41 AM
p.67 #4A1 Reviews/Video thread
randomguy wrote:
I am sorry, but it would be nice if you actually had something to back your claim up before make it instead of just dispensing useless assumptions as facts. This is at least a main part of the reason you are meeting resistance here. In fact making claims like that without anything to base it on can easily pass as trolling, because it gets hard to see any other motivation behind it.I have nothing to back it up with, just tony's video and his comments as for 1dx's they are tough cameras ask anyone who has used them, they might be able to confirm it in the canon forum for you or use youtube to check for vids on the subject. I know mine fell off a mountain and survived.... that's my limited knowledge on the subject. The Sony 600 GM is 10 grams lighter than the canon, might be the material they used. but light is a good thing for what i do. Sorry can't help you any more than that.Yeah but that is an anecdote. Toss 100 A1s and 100 1DXs off same cliff and then we can start forming some qualified opinions on how robust they really are. Also that something is heavier doesn't make it more solid in itself, but it means it falls harder.
Well I would like to sit around and debate this subject with you but I have to get some sleep. enjoy your day and happy shooting randomguy.
Pius Sullivan wrote
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That's what scares me about the A1, Tony made it look so easy to drop a 20,000$ lens, surely the A1 would not have survived that fall and the Sony lens looks to be more flimsy than the Canon'sWell I would like to sit around and debate this subject with you but I have to get some sleep. enjoy your day and happy shooting randomguy.
Mar 27, 2021 at 08:42 AM
p.67 #6A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Better flippy screen? with better res.Or a bigger grip so your lens does not pop off when us Canadians wear glove in the winter months.Given my day job I'm a little more coordinated than Dufous Northrup when it comes to handling things with precision. I know I seem to be in the minority but the right hand lens release button is easily in my top 10 things I love about Sony...maybe even my top 5.I'm not so sure about that, it scares me my lens falling off... that's alot of money falling on the ground and Tony seems very knowledgeable about Sony gear.I can only go off my three years experience and never once accidentally touching that button. Of course I don't wear giant winter gloves either. Even at -30C in the Yukon I didn't wear that sort of stuff while doing photography. You actually have to make a little effort to shift your finger around/under the lens to even hit it when I want to use it. Total non-issue for me and that is all that matters. I'd be more worried about knocking over my tripod and having my camera/lens fall off a 200ft cliff while the Pygmy Owl laughs hysterically...Show more →
I use “thinsulate” gloves. Thin and warm and good dexterity.
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What areas, focus and tracking, MP or FPS?
I use “thinsulate” gloves. Thin and warm and good dexterity.
Mar 27, 2021 at 03:04 PM
p.67 #7A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Better flippy screen? with better res.Or a bigger grip so your lens does not pop off when us Canadians wear glove in the winter months.Given my day job I'm a little more coordinated than Dufous Northrup when it comes to handling things with precision. I know I seem to be in the minority but the right hand lens release button is easily in my top 10 things I love about Sony...maybe even my top 5.I'm not so sure about that, it scares me my lens falling off... that's alot of money falling on the ground and Tony seems very knowledgeable about Sony gear.I can only go off my three years experience and never once accidentally touching that button. Of course I don't wear giant winter gloves either. Even at -30C in the Yukon I didn't wear that sort of stuff while doing photography. You actually have to make a little effort to shift your finger around/under the lens to even hit it when I want to use it. Total non-issue for me and that is all that matters. I'd be more worried about knocking over my tripod and having my camera/lens fall off a 200ft cliff while the Pygmy Owl laughs hysterically...Show more →
I use “thinsulate” gloves. Thin and warm and good dexterity.
Pius Sullivan wrote
arbitrage wrote
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What areas, focus and tracking, MP or FPS?I use “thinsulate” gloves. Thin and warm and good dexterity.
Mar 27, 2021 at 03:04 PM
p.67 #8A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
So you must think Nikon is going to lay a whooping on Sony?What areas, focus and tracking, MP or FPS?Better flippy screen? with better res.Or a bigger grip so your lens does not pop off when us Canadians wear glove in the winter months.Given my day job I'm a little more coordinated than Dufous Northrup when it comes to handling things with precision. I know I seem to be in the minority but the right hand lens release button is easily in my top 10 things I love about Sony...maybe even my top 5.
Yeah, Tony messes the odd thing up when he's doing Sony reviews... I like Marks Smiths vid's really can see the performance of the AF+Tracking on that fast moving Osprey. I wonder if its the new menu system on the A1 that's giving him trouble. Might be why he's slow getting his vid out but one never knows in this pandemic world of reviews.
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I'll sell you a lightly used A1 when the Z9 comes outYeah, Tony messes the odd thing up when he's doing Sony reviews... I like Marks Smiths vid's really can see the performance of the AF+Tracking on that fast moving Osprey. I wonder if its the new menu system on the A1 that's giving him trouble. Might be why he's slow getting his vid out but one never knows in this pandemic world of reviews.
Mar 27, 2021 at 03:05 PM
p.67 #9A1 Reviews/Video thread
Pius Sullivan wrote:
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So you must think Nikon is going to lay a whooping on Sony?Only thing is is that Mark Smith has had an A7S3 with the new menus for a good while now so he can’t blame the menus.
Mar 27, 2021 at 03:20 PM
p.67 #10A1 Reviews/Video thread
Anyone who thinks the Sony's are not durable because of their weight is smoking crack. That's a person whose brain's been warped by marketing agencies.
And for anyone who thinks Canon's and Nikon flagships don't break, then why do those vendors bring all of this extra equipment to the Olympics?
https://petapixel.com/2018/02/12/canons-nikons-crazy-dslr-stockpiles-2018-olympics/
Some of you guys are too worried about the small stuff! You don't and can't know what you're talking about, so why bother?
edit: I'm not trying to be harsh, but these unfounded claims pop up occasionally and when pressed for evidence, none is ever provided. As they say, "talk is cheap."
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And for anyone who thinks Canon's and Nikon flagships don't break, then why do those vendors bring all of this extra equipment to the Olympics?
https://petapixel.com/2018/02/12/canons-nikons-crazy-dslr-stockpiles-2018-olympics/
Some of you guys are too worried about the small stuff! You don't and can't know what you're talking about, so why bother?
edit: I'm not trying to be harsh, but these unfounded claims pop up occasionally and when pressed for evidence, none is ever provided. As they say, "talk is cheap."
Edited on Mar 27, 2021 at 03:43 PM · View previous versions
Mar 27, 2021 at 03:38 PM
p.67 #11A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
So you must think Nikon is going to lay a whooping on Sony?What areas, focus and tracking, MP or FPS?Better flippy screen? with better res.Or a bigger grip so your lens does not pop off when us Canadians wear glove in the winter months.Given my day job I'm a little more coordinated than Dufous Northrup when it comes to handling things with precision. I know I seem to be in the minority but the right hand lens release button is easily in my top 10 things I love about Sony...maybe even my top 5.
I'm with you all the way. It's so much easier to swap lenses on Sony than Canon due to the right-hand side release. I've never come close to accidentally releasing a lens. Then again, I'm no klutz.
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I'll sell you a lightly used A1 when the Z9 comes outI'm with you all the way. It's so much easier to swap lenses on Sony than Canon due to the right-hand side release. I've never come close to accidentally releasing a lens. Then again, I'm no klutz.
Mar 27, 2021 at 03:41 PM
p.67 #12A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Better flippy screen? with better res.Or a bigger grip so your lens does not pop off when us Canadians wear glove in the winter months.Given my day job I'm a little more coordinated than Dufous Northrup when it comes to handling things with precision. I know I seem to be in the minority but the right hand lens release button is easily in my top 10 things I love about Sony...maybe even my top 5.Yeah, Tony messes the odd thing up when he's doing Sony reviews... I like Marks Smiths vid's really can see the performance of the AF+Tracking on that fast moving Osprey. I wonder if its the new menu system on the A1 that's giving him trouble. Might be why he's slow getting his vid out but one never knows in this pandemic world of reviews.Only thing is is that Mark Smith has had an A7S3 with the new menus for a good while now so he can’t blame the menus.
That answers that question, Fro hasn't done much for real world reviews like the 1dx III and the a9 II. would be nice to see a good head to head of AF systems between the A1 and the R5 . But I would hate to jump ship and then the R1 or the Z9 arrives with global shutter and such.
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What areas, focus and tracking, MP or FPS?That answers that question, Fro hasn't done much for real world reviews like the 1dx III and the a9 II. would be nice to see a good head to head of AF systems between the A1 and the R5 . But I would hate to jump ship and then the R1 or the Z9 arrives with global shutter and such.
Mar 27, 2021 at 03:46 PM
p.67 #13A1 Reviews/Video thread
I have been watching Mark Galer's video on the A1, basically in his opening statement he says this camera is not for shooting small birds in your back yard like sparrows hopping around and such. Would that be true cause that's what I want to use the camera for. Not back yard birds but small erratic birds in flight.
Wonder who he's referring to when he says people shooting back yard sparrows.
Wonder who he's referring to when he says people shooting back yard sparrows.
Mar 27, 2021 at 04:09 PM
p.67 #14A1 Reviews/Video thread
ShootPDX wrote:
What areas, focus and tracking, MP or FPS?Better flippy screen? with better res.Or a bigger grip so your lens does not pop off when us Canadians wear glove in the winter months.Given my day job I'm a little more coordinated than Dufous Northrup when it comes to handling things with precision. I know I seem to be in the minority but the right hand lens release button is easily in my top 10 things I love about Sony...maybe even my top 5.I'm with you all the way. It's so much easier to swap lenses on Sony than Canon due to the right-hand side release. I've never come close to accidentally releasing a lens. Then again, I'm no klutz.
Stick with what you are comfortable with, it may or may not be inferior but is your chosen system. For Pius, don't know why it quoted pdx
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So you must think Nikon is going to lay a whooping on Sony?Stick with what you are comfortable with, it may or may not be inferior but is your chosen system. For Pius, don't know why it quoted pdx
Mar 27, 2021 at 04:18 PM
p.67 #15A1 Reviews/Video thread
Pius Sullivan wrote:
I have been watching Mark Galer's video on the A1, basically in his opening statement he says this camera is not for shooting small birds in your back yard like sparrows hopping around and such. Would that be true cause that's what I want to use the camera for. Not back yard birds but small erratic birds in flight.
Wonder who he's referring to when he says people shooting back yard sparrows.
What is the time stamp where he makes that comment and in which video? Just curious as to the context of that statement.
IME, which is probably 1000x more than Mark Galer's when it comes to small birds in the back yard and small/erratic birds in flight, I find the A1 to be as good, if not better, than any camera I've used for such things before. Basically A9, A9II, A1 and R5 (I assume R6) all excel at that kind of stuff.
I'm not sure if he was referring to BEAF? To that point, BEAF has been working perfectly for all sorts of backyard perching, hopping, posing, smiling, laughing, and singing birds I thought BEAF on A1 was going to be way worse than it is after watching/reading the initial onslaught of reviews. It does everything I need and expect it to. They just could get it to work more often on BIF. Funny also that all the birds I thought it wasn't working on like Oystercatchers and GBH, it has worked all the time now in recent outings on those birds. Oystercatchers is one of the birds it works on IF also.
I have been watching Mark Galer's video on the A1, basically in his opening statement he says this camera is not for shooting small birds in your back yard like sparrows hopping around and such. Would that be true cause that's what I want to use the camera for. Not back yard birds but small erratic birds in flight.
Wonder who he's referring to when he says people shooting back yard sparrows.
What is the time stamp where he makes that comment and in which video? Just curious as to the context of that statement.
IME, which is probably 1000x more than Mark Galer's when it comes to small birds in the back yard and small/erratic birds in flight, I find the A1 to be as good, if not better, than any camera I've used for such things before. Basically A9, A9II, A1 and R5 (I assume R6) all excel at that kind of stuff.
I'm not sure if he was referring to BEAF? To that point, BEAF has been working perfectly for all sorts of backyard perching, hopping, posing, smiling, laughing, and singing birds
I thought BEAF on A1 was going to be way worse than it is after watching/reading the initial onslaught of reviews. It does everything I need and expect it to. They just could get it to work more often on BIF. Funny also that all the birds I thought it wasn't working on like Oystercatchers and GBH, it has worked all the time now in recent outings on those birds. Oystercatchers is one of the birds it works on IF also.Mar 27, 2021 at 05:58 PM
p.67 #16A1 Reviews/Video thread
Pius Sullivan wrote:
Or a bigger grip so your lens does not pop off when us Canadians wear glove in the winter months.Given my day job I'm a little more coordinated than Dufous Northrup when it comes to handling things with precision. I know I seem to be in the minority but the right hand lens release button is easily in my top 10 things I love about Sony...maybe even my top 5.Yeah, Tony messes the odd thing up when he's doing Sony reviews... I like Marks Smiths vid's really can see the performance of the AF+Tracking on that fast moving Osprey. I wonder if its the new menu system on the A1 that's giving him trouble. Might be why he's slow getting his vid out but one never knows in this pandemic world of reviews.Only thing is is that Mark Smith has had an A7S3 with the new menus for a good while now so he can’t blame the menus.That answers that question, Fro hasn't done much for real world reviews like the 1dx III and the a9 II. would be nice to see a good head to head of AF systems between the A1 and the R5 . But I would hate to jump ship and then the R1 or the Z9 arrives with global shutter and such.
Seriously? I talked you off the edge back in February 2020...I'll talk you off the edge again in March 2021 if I have to....stay put...don't sink your hard earned $$ into an entirely novel system for incremental gains at best. At least wait till the R1 and Z9 have shown their hands before making some sort of jump to Sony (or Nikon). It takes years of practice to jump systems every year or so...I do offer courses on it though if you are interested
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Better flippy screen? with better res.Seriously? I talked you off the edge back in February 2020...I'll talk you off the edge again in March 2021 if I have to....stay put...don't sink your hard earned $$ into an entirely novel system for incremental gains at best. At least wait till the R1 and Z9 have shown their hands before making some sort of jump to Sony (or Nikon). It takes years of practice to jump systems every year or so...I do offer courses on it though if you are interested
Mar 27, 2021 at 06:00 PM
p.67 #17A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Wonder who he's referring to when he says people shooting back yard sparrows.What is the time stamp where he makes that comment and in which video? Just curious as to the context of that statement.
IME, which is probably 1000x more than Mark Galer's when it comes to small birds in the back yard and small/erratic birds in flight, I find the A1 to be as good, if not better, than any camera I've used for such things before. Basically A9, A9II, A1 and R5 (I assume R6) all excel at that kind of stuff.
I'm not sure if he was referring to BEAF? To that point, BEAF has been working perfectly for...Show more →
I can't remember which video but think he was slighting Fro and TN.. TN with the backyard birds and Fro for the small kids in the backyard, no biggy anyways. When I get time will look for the video and post it for you. Internet kinda slow up here for vids...
Pius Sullivan wrote
I have been watching Mark Galer's video on the A1, basically in his opening statement he says this camera is not for shooting small birds in your back yard like sparrows hopping around and such. Would that be true cause that's what I want to use the camera for. Not back yard birds but small erratic birds in flight.Wonder who he's referring to when he says people shooting back yard sparrows.
IME, which is probably 1000x more than Mark Galer's when it comes to small birds in the back yard and small/erratic birds in flight, I find the A1 to be as good, if not better, than any camera I've used for such things before. Basically A9, A9II, A1 and R5 (I assume R6) all excel at that kind of stuff.
I'm not sure if he was referring to BEAF? To that point, BEAF has been working perfectly for...Show more →
I can't remember which video but think he was slighting Fro and TN.. TN with the backyard birds and Fro for the small kids in the backyard, no biggy anyways. When I get time will look for the video and post it for you. Internet kinda slow up here for vids...
Mar 27, 2021 at 09:29 PM
p.67 #19A1 Reviews/Video thread
nobody23 wrote:
Can someone please translate and conclude?
I can't translate but looks to be doing its job, those small birds are quick.
Can someone please translate and conclude?
I can't translate but looks to be doing its job, those small birds are quick.
Mar 28, 2021 at 02:36 AM
p.67 #20A1 Reviews/Video thread
nobody23 wrote:
Can someone please translate and conclude?
AT 1.27 he shows a pigeon shot with BEAF where there is a large variation between shots. I have noticed that myself. I'm not sure why.
Can someone please translate and conclude?
AT 1.27 he shows a pigeon shot with BEAF where there is a large variation between shots. I have noticed that myself. I'm not sure why.
Mar 28, 2021 at 03:42 AM