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arbitrage wrote5 months with the fastest native RF telephoto lens available shooting all sorts of variety of BIF and a good solid 4 days (10,000 images) with a highly regarded 400DOII adapted lens also shooting primarily BIF I think gives me a fair amount of experience to assess the R5's AF.

I don't see how on one hand you can say I didn't give the R5 a fair shake because 90% of my shooting was with a single lens and yet you seem to find it fair to come and declare the R5 is every bit as good as the A1 while at the same time admitting you've never even taken a single image with the A1.

I agree the 100-500 can match the 200-600 in IQ. I have controlled test shots between it and the 200-600 that prove as much if anyone really wants to nitpick. I never said anything to the contrary. I've routinely recommended that lens to anyone that has enough light that f/7.1 is not a constant limitation. Pretty much the same as the f/6.3 limitations of the 200-600.

The 4 days with 400DOII gave me a good impression of how an f/4 lens and the R5 behaves in lower light conditions. One or two of those days in cloudy and showers and the others in decent light so I could test BIF. The one day in sunny conditions with your 600III just showed me how good that lens is. And showed me that there was no handicap to adapting an EF lens making the entire Mk II and Mk III EF telephoto ecosystem a viable pool to draw from with the R5 given the limited RF telephoto lens selection.
I have done my share of shooting through this pandemic with the R5 as much as anyone.. I use reviews and watch tube vids to inform me about the a1., which is mostly what you have done. With today's technology you can get a live experience looking through someone else viewfinder. I can clearly see how the a1's tracking and BEAF works. The regular issues, drop off the subject on a busy background, grab the ripples on the water instead of the subject. So not going to flog a dead horse any longer... The a1 is not heads above the R5 by any-means. My apologies in advance if that offends anyone.
"The a1 is not heads above the R5 by any-means. "
By any means? Really? You are now talking a bit over your head, man. Do you think before writing this stuff? You all learned that by watching youtube videos? Where most not even maxed out the capabilities?

The a1 is heads above the R5 in many areas. Sensor readout speed (1/220s vs. 1/60s) allowing you to use flash in E-shutter, flicker detection in e-shutter, completely silent shooting without distortion, less rolling shutter or banding. 1/400s flash sync. 120 AF acquisitions/s, 10/15/20/30 fps with e-shutter, whereas you have an extremely limited 20 fps in e-shutter with the R5 which drops to 12 bit and clearly reduces DR at low isos (the Sony allows you 1/32000s to 30 s, 14 bit lossless up to 20 fps, you have all the freedom and are not fixed to 20fps in continuous, a max 0.5s and whose performance is battery and aperture dependent). It does so using a bigger and more detailed EVF and more MP, NOT needing noise reduction at low isos to make the R5 it look better in sensor measurements.

The R5 surely has a well rounded BEAF. But that isn't everything when we talk about AF, right? It is pattern recognition based on DL, but in addition there is tracking, AF acquisition, consistency, where 120 AF updates a second come in handy and many didn't even max out the A1 capabilities.
The thing where the R5 is clearly better in my opinion is IBIS.

Most things above may not be important to you, but youtube doesn't show you everything and usually doesn't make one an expert. "By -any-means" is just a ridiculous statement.
The whole conversion started over the R5 focus and tracking capabilities compared to the A1 and obviously you know my position on that. But if you don't have the mental capacity to read back through the beginning of the exchange. I will say it again and keep saying the R5 can keep up with the A1 in the tracking and focus department and the other crap that you stated does not matter to me.
But I understand that you Sony fanboys can't come to grips with that...
... IBIS is it best feature... I would turn it off if I could... really showing me what you know....
I thought the R5 used a slideshow machine from 1985 to be able to shoot at 20 FPS and still distorts fast moving subjects. On top of that, it’s mechanical shutter requires all the stars to align and to have a full blue moon to shoot at 12 FPS while still having to deal with that slideshow machine from 1985. Oh well, at least they have the worlds most expensive F7.1 lens.

Slideshow, subject distortion and worlds most expensive F7.1 lens. Clearly what photographers dream about.

The stupidity that rolls off your keyboard and into a post is so terrible it’s impossible to ignore and so entertaining to read. You should stop photography and become a writer. Hope your words per minute in typing is as fast as your slideshow machine is at full tilt.

Oh by the way, the R5 can have its IBIS turned off. Really showing us what you know...

Remember it’s important to understand that the a1 can focus, track and expose while continuously shooting at 30 FPS and the R5 can’t. Maybe R1 will step up to the challenge...at $6,500 or more.
The slideshow for me with the R5 is non-existing at 20 fps, that's just a made up term to substitute for lack of understanding. I watch a video with Rudy Winston, well respected in the industry who says there is no frame insertion happening on the R5 its live feed. He's the top canon rep in the USA from what I gather. I use the CFexpress card in mine with the top read and write speeds, its recommended for top performance.

I shoot fast birds in flight and had no issues with distortion, none that affected my photography in
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“Have not trash talked the A1 in any way shape or form... I just said the R5 can match the A1's focus and tracking“

Sure...

“Hate that I have to agree with him but he's right the R5 does focus better... “

“I have the R5 and I can make it hit... As for Mark Smith, he's not a canon shooter and admits that in the video... From the videos I watch not seeing anything spectacular from the a1 for that price range.”

“How can you say the AF on the a1 is better than the R5 when you shot 95 % of the time with 7.1 glass and you use your top glass on the A1... “

“I use reviews and watch tube vids to inform me about the a1., which is mostly what you have done. With today's technology you can get a live experience looking through someone else viewfinder. I can clearly see how the a1's tracking and BEAF works. The regular issues, drop off the subject on a busy background, grab the ripples on the water instead of the subject. So not going to flog a dead horse any longer... The a1 is not heads above the R5 by any-means. My apologies in advance if that offends anyone.”

“ The whole conversion started over the R5 focus and tracking capabilities compared to the A1 and obviously you know my position on that. But if you don't have the mental capacity to read back through the beginning of the exchange. I will say it again and keep saying the R5 can keep up with the A1 in the tracking and focus department and the other crap that you stated does not matter to me.
But I understand that you Sony fanboys can't come to grips with that... IBIS is it best feature... I would turn it off if I could... really showing me what you know....”

And no, I’m not getting you confused with arbitrage as he isn’t a fanboy and uses equipment with an unbiased view.

The R5 is a great and capable camera, but it can’t do what the a1 does. Like I said, maybe the Canon R1 will compete when it arrives because currently the $6,500 1DX Mark III surely doesn’t and neither does the R5.

I’m sorry you feel compelled to come over to the Sony forum and not add anything of value and watch YouTube videos on a camera you never intend to use or purchase just to tell yourself the R5 is still the bees knees.

Neither Canon nor Nikon have a camera that is currently capable of doing everything the a1 does. And to quote you once again, “My apologies in advance if that offends anyone” and again (slightly modified), “But I understand that you Canon fanboys can't come to grips with that...”

P.S. it’s not a live feed and has lag.
Mar 26, 2021 at 12:30 AM
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Pius Sullivan wrote:
Holger wrote
Pius Sullivan wrote
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Pius Sullivan wroteNope that's not what I'm saying.
To get the best user experience from your gear you need to adapt to all lighting conditions.
I just find it saves time, put the best glass you have on and leave it on... If I'm to close use my legs to back up.
I have gotten great shots with the 100-500, I have no issues with the tracking and focus of that lens in the right light. The detail can easily match the 200-600.
But to test a a camera with mostly one lens, I feel that's not giving the camera a fair shake.
Just my opinion .

arbitrage wroteBut on the A1 you don't need the 600GM (or 400GM) to get the full AF experience. I also haven't read anything on the R5 threads saying you need an adapted EF super tele to get the best AF out of the R5. But I guess you feel that you do??

I felt that the adapted EF superteles didn't lose anything to the native lens. But I didn't find that they gave a boost to AF either. Granted I only shot your 600III for one day and I didn't have many fast BIF to aim it at. It performed amazing on what I did aim it at. I shot two copies of the 400DOII for 4 days total (around 10,000 frames at my regular spots which included all my regular faster BIF like blackbirds) and I shot your 100-400II for a very short while. And then the rest of the time I shot my 100-500. My general impression between the f/4 400DOII and the 100-500 was that AF seemed to act the same.

I guess if you are correct and the R5 needs the big lens to get A1 like AF then that means we have to consider a $13K DSLR lens in the value equation vs a $2K 200-600 on the A1.

Obviously I love the big 600 primes for light gathering, rendering, TC use just as much as you do. But I really didn't think you needed one on the A1 nor the R5 to maximize the AF performance.
5 months with the fastest native RF telephoto lens available shooting all sorts of variety of BIF and a good solid 4 days (10,000 images) with a highly regarded 400DOII adapted lens also shooting primarily BIF I think gives me a fair amount of experience to assess the R5's AF.

I don't see how on one hand you can say I didn't give the R5 a fair shake because 90% of my shooting was with a single lens and yet you seem to find it fair to come and declare the R5 is every bit as good as the A1 while at the same time admitting you've never even taken a single image with the A1.

I agree the 100-500 can match the 200-600 in IQ. I have controlled test shots between it and the 200-600 that prove as much if anyone really wants to nitpick. I never said anything to the contrary. I've routinely recommended that lens to anyone that has enough light that f/7.1 is not a constant limitation. Pretty much the same as the f/6.3 limitations of the 200-600.

The 4 days with 400DOII gave me a good impression of how an f/4 lens and the R5 behaves in lower light conditions. One or two of those days in cloudy and showers and the others in decent light so I could test BIF. The one day in sunny conditions with your 600III just showed me how good that lens is. And showed me that there was no handicap to adapting an EF lens making the entire Mk II and Mk III EF telephoto ecosystem a viable pool to draw from with the R5 given the limited RF telephoto lens selection.
I have done my share of shooting through this pandemic with the R5 as much as anyone.. I use reviews and watch tube vids to inform me about the a1., which is mostly what you have done. With today's technology you can get a live experience looking through someone else viewfinder. I can clearly see how the a1's tracking and BEAF works. The regular issues, drop off the subject on a busy background, grab the ripples on the water instead of the subject. So not going to flog a dead horse any longer... The a1 is not heads above the R5 by any-means. My apologies in advance if that offends anyone.
"The a1 is not heads above the R5 by any-means. "
By any means? Really? You are now talking a bit over your head, man. Do you think before writing this stuff? You all learned that by watching youtube videos? Where most not even maxed out the capabilities?

The a1 is heads above the R5 in many areas. Sensor readout speed (1/220s vs. 1/60s) allowing you to use flash in E-shutter, flicker detection in e-shutter, completely silent shooting without distortion, less rolling shutter or banding. 1/400s flash sync. 120 AF acquisitions/s, 10/15/20/30 fps with e-shutter, whereas you have an extremely limited 20 fps in e-shutter with the R5 which drops to 12 bit and clearly reduces DR at low isos (the Sony allows you 1/32000s to 30 s, 14 bit lossless up to 20 fps, you have all the freedom and are not fixed to 20fps in continuous, a max 0.5s and whose performance is battery and aperture dependent). It does so using a bigger and more detailed EVF and more MP, NOT needing noise reduction at low isos to make the R5 it look better in sensor measurements.

The R5 surely has a well rounded BEAF. But that isn't everything when we talk about AF, right? It is pattern recognition based on DL, but in addition there is tracking, AF acquisition, consistency, where 120 AF updates a second come in handy and many didn't even max out the A1 capabilities.
The thing where the R5 is clearly better in my opinion is IBIS.

Most things above may not be important to you, but youtube doesn't show you everything and usually doesn't make one an expert. "By -any-means" is just a ridiculous statement.
The whole conversion started over the R5 focus and tracking capabilities compared to the A1 and obviously you know my position on that. But if you don't have the mental capacity to read back through the beginning of the exchange. I will say it again and keep saying the R5 can keep up with the A1 in the tracking and focus department and the other crap that you stated does not matter to me.
But I understand that you Sony fanboys can't come to grips with that...
... IBIS is it best feature... I would turn it off if
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Wow, now going to insults - "don't have mental capacity" - "fanboys" - "crap" ... Pretty poor reply in my book. No arguments whatsoever, just hearsay and assumptions. It shows you are no scientist, a youtube video seems to be enough to build an opinion.
Your statement was absolute and made without context. The "by any means" is pretty clear and pretty wrong. The Canon is limited to a low readout, lower bit 20 fps. The Sony can track at up to 30 fps. This alone ridicules the "by any means" statement. For the rest: the burdon of proof is upon you.
Mar 26, 2021 at 01:35 AM
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dclark wrote:
greensony wrote
Pius Sullivan wrote
Holger wrote
Pius Sullivan wrote
arbitrage wrote5 months with the fastest native RF telephoto lens available shooting all sorts of variety of BIF and a good solid 4 days (10,000 images) with a highly regarded 400DOII adapted lens also shooting primarily BIF I think gives me a fair amount of experience to assess the R5's AF.

I don't see how on one hand you can say I didn't give the R5 a fair shake because 90% of my shooting was with a single lens and yet you seem to find it fair to come and declare the R5 is every bit as good as the A1 while at the same time admitting you've never even taken a single image with the A1.

I agree the 100-500 can match the 200-600 in IQ. I have controlled test shots between it and the 200-600 that prove as much if anyone really wants to nitpick. I never said anything to the contrary. I've routinely recommended that lens to anyone that has enough light that f/7.1 is not a constant limitation. Pretty much the same as the f/6.3 limitations of the 200-600.

The 4 days with 400DOII gave me a good impression of how an f/4 lens and the R5 behaves in lower light conditions. One or two of those days in cloudy and showers and the others in decent light so I could test BIF. The one day in sunny conditions with your 600III just showed me how good that lens is. And showed me that there was no handicap to adapting an EF lens making the entire Mk II and Mk III EF telephoto ecosystem a viable pool to draw from with the R5 given the limited RF telephoto lens selection.
I have done my share of shooting through this pandemic with the R5 as much as anyone.. I use reviews and watch tube vids to inform me about the a1., which is mostly what you have done. With today's technology you can get a live experience looking through someone else viewfinder. I can clearly see how the a1's tracking and BEAF works. The regular issues, drop off the subject on a busy background, grab the ripples on the water instead of the subject. So not going to flog a dead horse any longer... The a1 is not heads above the R5 by any-means. My apologies in advance if that offends anyone.
"The a1 is not heads above the R5 by any-means. "
By any means? Really? You are now talking a bit over your head, man. Do you think before writing this stuff? You all learned that by watching youtube videos? Where most not even maxed out the capabilities?

The a1 is heads above the R5 in many areas. Sensor readout speed (1/220s vs. 1/60s) allowing you to use flash in E-shutter, flicker detection in e-shutter, completely silent shooting without distortion, less rolling shutter or banding. 1/400s flash sync. 120 AF acquisitions/s, 10/15/20/30 fps with e-shutter, whereas you have an extremely limited 20 fps in e-shutter with the R5 which drops to 12 bit and clearly reduces DR at low isos (the Sony allows you 1/32000s to 30 s, 14 bit lossless up to 20 fps, you have all the freedom and are not fixed to 20fps in continuous, a max 0.5s and whose performance is battery and aperture dependent). It does so using a bigger and more detailed EVF and more MP, NOT needing noise reduction at low isos to make the R5 it look better in sensor measurements.

The R5 surely has a well rounded BEAF. But that isn't everything when we talk about AF, right? It is pattern recognition based on DL, but in addition there is tracking, AF acquisition, consistency, where 120 AF updates a second come in handy and many didn't even max out the A1 capabilities.
The thing where the R5 is clearly better in my opinion is IBIS.

Most things above may not be important to you, but youtube doesn't show you everything and usually doesn't make one an expert. "By -any-means" is just a ridiculous statement.
The whole conversion started over the R5 focus and tracking capabilities compared to the A1 and obviously you know my position on that. But if you don't have the mental capacity to read back through the beginning of the exchange. I will say it again and keep saying the R5 can keep up with the A1 in the tracking and focus department and the other crap that you stated does not matter to me.
But I understand that you Sony fanboys can't come to grips with that...
... IBIS is it best feature... I would turn it off if I could... really showing me what you know....
I thought the R5 used a slideshow machine from 1985 to be able to shoot at 20 FPS and still distorts fast moving subjects. On top of that, it’s mechanical shutter requires all the stars to align and to have a full blue moon to shoot at 12 FPS while still having to deal with that slideshow machine from 1985. Oh well, at least they have the worlds most expensive F7.1 lens.

Slideshow, subject distortion and worlds most expensive F7.1 lens. Clearly what photographers dream about.

The stupidity that rolls off your keyboard and into a post is so terrible it’s impossible to ignore and so entertaining to read. You should stop photography and become a writer. Hope your words per minute in typing is as fast as your slideshow machine is at full tilt.

Oh by the way, the R5 can have its IBIS turned off. Really showing us what you know...

Remember it’s important to understand that the a1 can focus, track and expose while continuously shooting at 30 FPS and the R5 can’t. Maybe R1 will step up to the challenge...at $6,500 or more.
What an obnoxious comment!!

Pius made a perfectly valid point that you have grossly distorted with insulting language. Differences of opinion are commonplace and welcome, but try to keep it civil.

Dave


Pius didn't make valid points all the time, unless it is o.k. to make absolute claims from youtube videos.
I agree that the comment you are referring to should be issued much more politely. However, you should call out Pius, too, when using "lack of mental capacity", "fanboy" or "crap" to flavor his comments.
Mar 26, 2021 at 01:39 AM
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Holger wrote:
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Pius Sullivan wrote
Holger wrote
Pius Sullivan wroteI have done my share of shooting through this pandemic with the R5 as much as anyone.. I use reviews and watch tube vids to inform me about the a1., which is mostly what you have done. With today's technology you can get a live experience looking through someone else viewfinder. I can clearly see how the a1's tracking and BEAF works. The regular issues, drop off the subject on a busy background, grab the ripples on the water instead of the subject. So not going to flog a dead horse any longer... The a1 is not heads above the R5 by any-means. My apologies in advance if that offends anyone.
"The a1 is not heads above the R5 by any-means. "
By any means? Really? You are now talking a bit over your head, man. Do you think before writing this stuff? You all learned that by watching youtube videos? Where most not even maxed out the capabilities?

The a1 is heads above the R5 in many areas. Sensor readout speed (1/220s vs. 1/60s) allowing you to use flash in E-shutter, flicker detection in e-shutter, completely silent shooting without distortion, less rolling shutter or banding. 1/400s flash sync. 120 AF acquisitions/s, 10/15/20/30 fps with e-shutter, whereas you have an extremely limited 20 fps in e-shutter with the R5 which drops to 12 bit and clearly reduces DR at low isos (the Sony allows you 1/32000s to 30 s, 14 bit lossless up to 20 fps, you have all the freedom and are not fixed to 20fps in continuous, a max 0.5s and whose performance is battery and aperture dependent). It does so using a bigger and more detailed EVF and more MP, NOT needing noise reduction at low isos to make the R5 it look better in sensor measurements.

The R5 surely has a well rounded BEAF. But that isn't everything when we talk about AF, right? It is pattern recognition based on DL, but in addition there is tracking, AF acquisition, consistency, where 120 AF updates a second come in handy and many didn't even max out the A1 capabilities.
The thing where the R5 is clearly better in my opinion is IBIS.

Most things above may not be important to you, but youtube doesn't show you everything and usually doesn't make one an expert. "By -any-means" is just a ridiculous statement.
The whole conversion started over the R5 focus and tracking capabilities compared to the A1 and obviously you know my position on that. But if you don't have the mental capacity to read back through the beginning of the exchange. I will say it again and keep saying the R5 can keep up with the A1 in the tracking and focus department and the other crap that you stated does not matter to me.
But I understand that you Sony fanboys can't come to grips with that...
... IBIS is it best feature... I would turn it off if I could... really showing me what you know....
I thought the R5 used a slideshow machine from 1985 to be able to shoot at 20 FPS and still distorts fast moving subjects. On top of that, it’s mechanical shutter requires all the stars to align and to have a full blue moon to shoot at 12 FPS while still having to deal with that slideshow machine from 1985. Oh well, at least they have the worlds most expensive F7.1 lens.

Slideshow, subject distortion and worlds most expensive F7.1 lens. Clearly what photographers dream about.

The stupidity that rolls off your keyboard and into a post is so terrible it’s impossible to ignore and so entertaining to read. You should stop photography and become a writer. Hope your words per minute in typing is as fast as your slideshow machine is at full tilt.

Oh by the way, the R5 can have its IBIS turned off. Really showing us what you know...

Remember it’s important to understand that the a1 can focus, track and expose while continuously shooting at 30 FPS and the R5 can’t. Maybe R1 will step up to the challenge...at $6,500 or more.
What an obnoxious comment!!

Pius made a perfectly valid point that you have grossly distorted with insulting language. Differences of opinion are commonplace and welcome, but try to keep it civil.

Dave
Pius didn't make valid points all the time, unless it is o.k. to make absolute claims from youtube videos.
I agree that the comment you are referring to should be issued much more politely. However, you should call out Pius, too, when using "lack of mental capacity", "fanboy" or "crap" to flavor his comments.


"The a1 is not heads above the R5 by any-means. "
By any means? Really? You are now talking a bit over your head, man. Do you think before writing this stuff? You all learned that by watching youtube videos? Where most not even maxed out the capabilities?

I responded to you with the same tone and aggressiveness you applied to me.
Yes, I think before I write. You are aware this is a learning and video thread hence the name.
The thread is full of videos about the A1 and its capabilities and some awesome input from some knowledgeable users. If by reading and watching videos on the subjects we are discussing is not for you so be it.


Mar 26, 2021 at 02:06 AM
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timgangloff wroteAlso working well for me but more testing needed is the ability to shoot electronic shutter and flash. Yah boy, that's a sweet one too. And even high speed synch and electronic shutter.
I recently took some photos to sell some cameras on the Buy and Sell forum with my A1.

I can confirm flash will sync with the A1 using ES at 1/200th using Godox AD400 Pro’s and trigger.

It actually felt a little weird not hearing the mechanical shutter. 😀
Decided to shoot mechanical shutter and use the 1/400 sync speed. Wow. Fantastic experience. Normally my shoots are in a pretty chaotic environment and I sometimes get some slight motion blur or out of focus images with the a7r4 if I don't hold the camera steady enough. For example, it was storming outside, so I had 14 ten year old girls and parents and some siblings, etc. in the garage and running around. No room for a tripod as I am moving around too much, posing, shooting, etc. But tonight at 1/400, I think out of 220, 1 was out
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I concur.... Its an incredible camera to use. And, its the first mirrorless I actually want to shoot with the mechanical shutter! It has them most amazing sound and dampening! I just love it so far :-)
Mar 26, 2021 at 03:17 AM
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Sort of late but I want to comment the new "Silent mode" and closing of shutter when turning camera off. You can actually configure which settings the "silent mode" effects in the Silent Mode Settings menu. This is what the Target Function Settings is for. So if you want you can have the camera close shutter at power off while in silent mode. From the sound of the discussion above I guess TN has totally missed this.

It seems obvious however that this setting is for people who quickly need to override all their noisy settings when they need to be quiet, for instance during press conferences, while shooting golf, for certain wildlife or whatever, and then go back to their normal preferred noisy mode when done. Now they can do that with one setting instead of digging up 4 separate settings (audio signals, aperture drive, shutter when power off and pixel remap at power off) at different places in the menus.
Mar 26, 2021 at 03:41 AM
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And again this thread is deteriorating into useless troll banter... and now we even have the usual sony fanboy-trolls join the bandwagon...
On one side we have @arbitrage@, who has proven already he's impartial to brands and who shot extensively with both cameras. On the other we have a guy who claims he knows it all via yt videos (and that he's paying to troll on this forum ) and shot only one camera...
I don't know if it's obvious only to me, but why even engage in this discussion?
Mar 26, 2021 at 04:01 AM
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I think we should move on to talk about the A1. I have a lot of respect for Pius, he is one heck of bird shooter. I have never shot the canon R5, I was salivating over it when it came out. I have been wanting a high resolution, high FPS body with super duper AF. Both the R5 and the A1 provide that. Based on what I read, I think it’s nitpicking to argue which one has better AF, sure , one may be slightly better than the other in certain AF applications. We are really arguing my Ferrari is better than your Limbo, with respect to the AF. The Sony can do some things the R5 can’t, like 30 FPS, flash sync, blackout free, better heat handling for video, etc. But is it $2600 better than the R5, probably not, not for MY usage ( birds, air shows, landscape) anyway. I do understand some of the A1’s features that the R5 doesn’t offer are a big deal for some users. I would say as a whole package, price aside, the A1 is a better camera. Mine should arrive in two weeks.

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Mar 26, 2021 at 04:09 AM
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j4nu wrote:
And again this thread is deteriorating into useless troll banter... and now we even have the usual sony fanboy-trolls join the bandwagon...
On one side we have @arbitrage@@, who has proven already he's impartial to brands and who shot extensively with both cameras. On the other we have a guy who claims he knows it all via yt videos (and that he's paying to troll on this forum ) and shot only one camera...
I don't know if it's obvious only to me, but why even engage in this discussion?


All true but also, who cares about this argument?

To the combatants (and I'm not including Geoff in those) - please stop.
Mar 26, 2021 at 04:11 AM
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randomguy wrote:
Sort of late but I want to comment the new "Silent mode" and closing of shutter when turning camera off. You can actually configure which settings the "silent mode" effects in the Silent Mode Settings menu. This is what the Target Function Settings is for. So if you want you can have the camera close shutter at power off while in silent mode. From the sound of the discussion above I guess TN has totally missed this.

It seems obvious however that this setting is for people who quickly need to override all their noisy settings when they need to be
...Show more →

Yes, you're right - you can enable closing of the shutter on power off in Silent Mode.
It's a bit tricky though, because for it to work you need to have closing of the shutter already enabled in non-Silent Mode ...
Mar 26, 2021 at 04:12 AM
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j4nu wroteAnd again this thread is deteriorating into useless troll banter... and now we even have the usual sony fanboy-trolls join the bandwagon...
On one side we have @arbitrage@@@, who has proven already he's impartial to brands and who shot extensively with both cameras. On the other we have a guy who claims he knows it all via yt videos (and that he's paying to troll on this forum ) and shot only one camera...
I don't know if it's obvious only to me, but why even engage in this discussion?
All true but also, who cares about this argument?

To the combatants (and I'm not including Geoff in those) - please stop.


Yes, I know I'm contributing to this mess by posting messages about it (the same way people reply-all with "Please stop" to the massive email chains ), but it simply makes the thread difficult to read, regardless if you have the trolls hidden or not...
Mar 26, 2021 at 04:18 AM
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j4nu wroteAnd again this thread is deteriorating into useless troll banter... and now we even have the usual sony fanboy-trolls join the bandwagon...
On one side we have @arbitrage@@@@, who has proven already he's impartial to brands and who shot extensively with both cameras. On the other we have a guy who claims he knows it all via yt videos (and that he's paying to troll on this forum ) and shot only one camera...
I don't know if it's obvious only to me, but why even engage in this discussion?
All true but also, who cares about this argument?

To the combatants (and I'm not including Geoff in those) - please stop.
Yes, I know I'm contributing to this mess by posting messages about it (the same way people reply-all with "Please stop" to the massive email chains ), but it simply makes the thread difficult to read, regardless if you have the trolls hidden or not...


Sorry, I didn't mean you either!
Mar 26, 2021 at 04:20 AM
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Just remember guys that Pius and I are actually friends and shooting buddies. He's mostly over here just to give me a hard time. Don't worry I'll give him a light next time I go out shooting with him

And trust me, I've talked him down from jumping ship over to Sony a couple of times now. He's always peaking over the fence to check out the grass on the other side.
Mar 26, 2021 at 04:33 AM
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Ok, I guess I missed that it's only friendly banter, but I'm afraid I was not the only one ...
Anyways, that was my last post on this topic, worst case I'll just stop reading this thread.
Mar 26, 2021 at 04:50 AM
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arbitrage wrote:
Just remember guys that Pius and I are actually friends and shooting buddies. He's mostly over here just to give me a hard time. Don't worry I'll give him a light next time I go out shooting with him

And trust me, I've talked him down from jumping ship over to Sony a couple of times now. He's always peaking over the fence to check out the grass on the other side.


Hi Geoff, they are a sensitive lot over here in the Sony forum. I remember when you came over and kick the door down.. they came after you with knives and daggers man... lol.
But look at you now the adopted son that can do no wrong...
Well if I can convince myself or someone else can convince me that I can get better results from the
A1 than my R5, I'll be a permanent fixture over here. So grease up your ignore buttons...



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Mar 26, 2021 at 05:58 AM
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arbitrage wroteJust remember guys that Pius and I are actually friends and shooting buddies. He's mostly over here just to give me a hard time. Don't worry I'll give him a light next time I go out shooting with him

And trust me, I've talked him down from jumping ship over to Sony a couple of times now. He's always peaking over the fence to check out the grass on the other side.
Hi Geoff, they are a sensitive lot over here in the Sony forum. I remember when you came over and kick the door down.. they came after you with knives and daggers man... lol.
But look at you now the adopted son that can do no wrong...
Well if I can convince myself or someone else can convince me that I can get better results from the
A1 than the my R5, I'll be a permanent fixture over here. So grease up your ignore buttons...



Geoff, I'm heading back to the Canon forum for now... Hope I didn't upset to many of your gatekeepers...

cheers everyone, no hard feelings...
Mar 26, 2021 at 06:29 AM
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Hi Geoff, they are a sensitive lot over here in the Sony forum. I remember when you came over and kick the door down.. they came after you with knives and daggers man... lol.
But look at you now the adopted son that can do no wrong...
Well if I can convince myself or someone else can convince me that I can get better results from the
A1 than my R5, I'll be a permanent fixture over here. So grease up your ignore buttons...



Oh they are sensitive on all three of the main boards. With all the jumping around between systems I do I'm at the receiving end of it from all three whenever I switch to something else. Until I bought the R5 a few members of the Canon board literally told me I wasn't welcome to post over there anymore because I wasn't shooting Canon as my main system anymore. Even though I probably still owned more Canon gear and had shot more Canon frames than most of the guys complaining.

That same thing has now happened on the Nikon threads and it happened here when I started doing R5 vs A9 comparisons.

This is only a select few individuals on each board so I just accept that human nature and ignore it (for the most part). Just wait till I pick up the Z9....you'll see it play out like clockwork...I can guarantee it





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Mar 26, 2021 at 06:33 AM
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arbitrage wroteJust remember guys that Pius and I are actually friends and shooting buddies. He's mostly over here just to give me a hard time. Don't worry I'll give him a light next time I go out shooting with him

And trust me, I've talked him down from jumping ship over to Sony a couple of times now. He's always peaking over the fence to check out the grass on the other side.
Hi Geoff, they are a sensitive lot over here in the Sony forum. I remember when you came over and kick the door down.. they came after you with knives and daggers man... lol.
But look at you now the adopted son that can do no wrong...
Well if I can convince myself or someone else can convince me that I can get better results from the
A1 than the my R5, I'll be a permanent fixture over here. So grease up your ignore buttons...

Oh they are sensitive on all three of the main boards. With all the jumping around between systems I do I'm at the receiving end of it from all three whenever I switch to something else. Until I bought the R5 a few members of the Canon board literally told me I wasn't welcome to post over there anymore because I wasn't shooting Canon as my main system anymore. Even though I probably still owned more Canon gear and had shot more Canon frames than most of the guys complaining.

That same thing has now happened on the Nikon threads and
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It all depends on how you state it. Giving opinions based on experience is one thing. Formulating things without basis as fact, another. Afterwards one can always refer to sensitivity on the other side. That is too easy in my opinion.
Mar 26, 2021 at 07:06 AM
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timgangloff wroteAlso working well for me but more testing needed is the ability to shoot electronic shutter and flash. Yah boy, that's a sweet one too. And even high speed synch and electronic shutter.
I recently took some photos to sell some cameras on the Buy and Sell forum with my A1.

I can confirm flash will sync with the A1 using ES at 1/200th using Godox AD400 Pro’s and trigger.

It actually felt a little weird not hearing the mechanical shutter. 😀
Decided to shoot mechanical shutter and use the 1/400 sync speed. Wow. Fantastic experience. Normally my shoots are in a pretty chaotic environment and I sometimes get some slight motion blur or out of focus images with the a7r4 if I don't hold the camera steady enough. For example, it was storming outside, so I had 14 ten year old girls and parents and some siblings, etc. in the garage and running around. No room for a tripod as I am moving around too much, posing, shooting, etc. But tonight at 1/400, I think out of 220, 1 was out
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Nice!

Sounds like the A1 has already had some tangible benefits to your workflow.

If you really want to go crazy. You can shoot in APS-C mode and sync at 1/500th of a second! 😉

Oh, and I agree. The mechanical shutter sounds crazy! It doesn’t sound like any shutter I’ve heard before.
Mar 26, 2021 at 07:26 AM
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Geoff you selling your a9ii or keeping it?

arbitrage wrote:
Just remember guys that Pius and I are actually friends and shooting buddies. He's mostly over here just to give me a hard time. Don't worry I'll give him a light next time I go out shooting with him

And trust me, I've talked him down from jumping ship over to Sony a couple of times now. He's always peaking over the fence to check out the grass on the other side.

Mar 26, 2021 at 07:57 AM
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