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Archive 2021A1 Reviews/Video thread
p.7 #1A1 Reviews/Video thread
Uh, I'm pretty sure you only get the 5.5 stops in concert with an IS lens. This is the same for Canon's 8 stops claim on the r5
chiron wrote:
Yes, that seems right, though I really would like to know about noise and DR, especially in low light with high ISO. And I would be happy enough with 5.5 stops of IS if that is what it were. It may be that Sony, after pushing in-body stabilization against Canon's lens based stabilization, will eventually have to combine the two more effectively to compete on this criterion, because of their smaller lens mount.
chiron wrote:
buffalowolff wrote
AF looks great so far. I'm not too worried about DR, its sony. ISO is too early to tell until people get their preferred editor with raw support. IS will be effectively the same as it has been. It seems this is the only real limitation that the smaller mount diameter impacts us with, the sensor can only move so much to stabilize without vignetting against the mount (read that somewhere, not my math)Feb 04, 2021 at 08:58 PM
p.7 #2A1 Reviews/Video thread
buffalowolff wrote:
Uh, I'm pretty sure you only get the 5.5 stops in concert with an IS lens. This is the same for Canon's 8 stops claim on the r5
Yes, that seems right, though I really would like to know about noise and DR, especially in low light with high ISO. And I would be happy enough with 5.5 stops of IS if that is what it were. It may be that Sony, after pushing in-body stabilization against Canon's lens based stabilization, will eventually have to combine the two more effectively to compete on this criterion, because of their smaller lens mount.
I'm pretty sure Sony was claiming 5.5 stops of in-body stabilization for the A1, good with any lens.
Uh, I'm pretty sure you only get the 5.5 stops in concert with an IS lens. This is the same for Canon's 8 stops claim on the r5
chiron wrote
buffalowolff wrote
AF looks great so far. I'm not too worried about DR, its sony. ISO is too early to tell until people get their preferred editor with raw support. IS will be effectively the same as it has been. It seems this is the only real limitation that the smaller mount diameter impacts us with, the sensor can only move so much to stabilize without vignetting against the mount (read that somewhere, not my math)I'm pretty sure Sony was claiming 5.5 stops of in-body stabilization for the A1, good with any lens.
Feb 04, 2021 at 08:59 PM
p.7 #3A1 Reviews/Video thread
You are correct. Just checked, they claim 5.5 stops with the planer t* 50 1.4 which is not stabilized.
chiron wrote:
Yes, that seems right, though I really would like to know about noise and DR, especially in low light with high ISO. And I would be happy enough with 5.5 stops of IS if that is what it really were. It may be that Sony, after pushing in-body stabilization against Canon's lens based stabilization, will eventually have to combine the two more effectively to compete on this criterion, because of their smaller lens mount.
chiron wrote:
buffalowolff wrote
AF looks great so far. I'm not too worried about DR, its sony. ISO is too early to tell until people get their preferred editor with raw support. IS will be effectively the same as it has been. It seems this is the only real limitation that the smaller mount diameter impacts us with, the sensor can only move so much to stabilize without vignetting against the mount (read that somewhere, not my math)Feb 04, 2021 at 09:04 PM
p.7 #4A1 Reviews/Video thread
Chimping wrote:
DanI'm a Canon R5 shooter. I'm genuinely interested in the A1 performance, as it seems like an amazing camera and overall excellent performer. However, watching the A1 tracking the dog around the 8:50 min. mark in this video has me somewhat disappointed.
I shoot a lot of dog photos (especially since I have an eight month old puppy at home). From my own experience with the R5, the R5 is able to lock onto my dogs eye(s) farther back and is able to remain locked on with excellent consistency. This video shows the A1 losing focus on the dog's eye and suddenly jumping to a cluster of focus points.
I understand that it's snowing, and that the dog is black, which may make achieving focus around his/her eyes more difficult. However, again, from my experience in similar situations (my dog is black, too), I'm not seeing a step up from what the R5 can currently do in this use case.Not sure about black dogs as I've never shot them with R5 or Sony. But in lighter snow (yet still huge flakes) than what was in that video my R5's AF had big issues just trying to focus on finches perched in my backyard. And they weren't even moving. My Sonys and Nikons also have issues with big fluffy snow flakes.Fair enough. It very well might be the large snow flakes. Otherwise, my R5 can definitely do better than what was exhibited in that video. I have shot in snow, but not thick thick snow like in the video. I also typically shoot with my RF 85 at 1.2 for fast puppy action, and my keeper rate has been extraordinary. I’ve got shots of my dog coming at me head on - practically flying through the air - and the camera was able to maintain consistent and accurate focus.
Here are two quick examples that I have handy (posted small...Show more →
Would you mind sharing the aperture and shutter speed of the first photo? I think it is fantastic.
arbitrage wrote
Chimping wrote
danwu wrote
another video with BEAFDan
I shoot a lot of dog photos (especially since I have an eight month old puppy at home). From my own experience with the R5, the R5 is able to lock onto my dogs eye(s) farther back and is able to remain locked on with excellent consistency. This video shows the A1 losing focus on the dog's eye and suddenly jumping to a cluster of focus points.
I understand that it's snowing, and that the dog is black, which may make achieving focus around his/her eyes more difficult. However, again, from my experience in similar situations (my dog is black, too), I'm not seeing a step up from what the R5 can currently do in this use case.
Here are two quick examples that I have handy (posted small...Show more →
Would you mind sharing the aperture and shutter speed of the first photo? I think it is fantastic.
Feb 04, 2021 at 09:09 PM
p.7 #5A1 Reviews/Video thread
shadow9d9 wrote:
DanI'm a Canon R5 shooter. I'm genuinely interested in the A1 performance, as it seems like an amazing camera and overall excellent performer. However, watching the A1 tracking the dog around the 8:50 min. mark in this video has me somewhat disappointed.
I shoot a lot of dog photos (especially since I have an eight month old puppy at home). From my own experience with the R5, the R5 is able to lock onto my dogs eye(s) farther back and is able to remain locked on with excellent consistency. This video shows the A1 losing focus on the dog's eye and suddenly jumping to a cluster of focus points.
I understand that it's snowing, and that the dog is black, which may make achieving focus around his/her eyes more difficult. However, again, from my experience in similar situations (my dog is black, too), I'm not seeing a step up from what the R5 can currently do in this use case.Not sure about black dogs as I've never shot them with R5 or Sony. But in lighter snow (yet still huge flakes) than what was in that video my R5's AF had big issues just trying to focus on finches perched in my backyard. And they weren't even moving. My Sonys and Nikons also have issues with big fluffy snow flakes.Fair enough. It very well might be the large snow flakes. Otherwise, my R5 can definitely do better than what was exhibited in that video. I have shot in snow, but not thick thick snow like in the video. I also typically shoot with my RF 85 at 1.2 for fast puppy action, and my keeper rate has been extraordinary. I’ve got shots of my dog coming at me head on - practically flying through the air - and the camera was able to maintain consistent and accurate focus.
Here are two quick examples that I have handy (posted small so as not to take away from the thread):
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50910114686_737780d407_w.jpg_21A6490 by Hadrian Robinson
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50910246777_9165f4f75f_w.jpg_21A8809 by Hadrian Robinson, on Flickr
With that said, I am excited to see more from the A1 as more people test it, and more reviews are posted. The above video reviews are only the first, and I tend not to trust YouTube reviewers for much more than going over the basics. It’s going to be a phenomenal camera.Would you mind sharing the aperture and shutter speed of the first photo? I think it is fantastic.
That's very kind - thank you! The shutter speed was 1/2500 and the aperture was f/1.2.
Chimping wrote
arbitrage wrote
Chimping wrote
danwu wrote
another video with BEAFDan
I shoot a lot of dog photos (especially since I have an eight month old puppy at home). From my own experience with the R5, the R5 is able to lock onto my dogs eye(s) farther back and is able to remain locked on with excellent consistency. This video shows the A1 losing focus on the dog's eye and suddenly jumping to a cluster of focus points.
I understand that it's snowing, and that the dog is black, which may make achieving focus around his/her eyes more difficult. However, again, from my experience in similar situations (my dog is black, too), I'm not seeing a step up from what the R5 can currently do in this use case.
Here are two quick examples that I have handy (posted small so as not to take away from the thread):
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50910114686_737780d407_w.jpg_21A6490 by Hadrian Robinson
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50910246777_9165f4f75f_w.jpg_21A8809 by Hadrian Robinson, on Flickr
With that said, I am excited to see more from the A1 as more people test it, and more reviews are posted. The above video reviews are only the first, and I tend not to trust YouTube reviewers for much more than going over the basics. It’s going to be a phenomenal camera.
That's very kind - thank you! The shutter speed was 1/2500 and the aperture was f/1.2.
Feb 04, 2021 at 09:26 PM
p.7 #6A1 Reviews/Video thread
I watched the Fro video today. And saw him mention the 70-200 GM didn’t perform that well on the Alpha 1.
I don’t know if this has anything to do with it, but on the Sony Japan website where it lists the lenses that are capable of shooting 30fps. It says in the fine print that the 70-200 will require a software update to be fully compatible.
I don’t know if this has anything to do with it, but on the Sony Japan website where it lists the lenses that are capable of shooting 30fps. It says in the fine print that the 70-200 will require a software update to be fully compatible.
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Feb 04, 2021 at 10:48 PM
p.7 #7A1 Reviews/Video thread
robert614 wrote:
I watched the Fro video today. And saw him mention the 70-200 GM didn’t perform that well on the Alpha 1.
I don’t know if this has anything to do with it, but on the Sony Japan website where it lists the lenses that are capable of shooting 30fps. It says in the fine print that the 70-200 will require a software update to be fully compatible.
Thanks for posting the information about the 70-200.
The last firmware update on the Sony support site for that lens was 12/5/2017 (version 05).
I wonder if there is another update that will appear soon or if they are referring to that update.
Need to update mine. It's version 02. That's embarrassing.
Dave
I watched the Fro video today. And saw him mention the 70-200 GM didn’t perform that well on the Alpha 1.
I don’t know if this has anything to do with it, but on the Sony Japan website where it lists the lenses that are capable of shooting 30fps. It says in the fine print that the 70-200 will require a software update to be fully compatible.
Thanks for posting the information about the 70-200.
The last firmware update on the Sony support site for that lens was 12/5/2017 (version 05).
I wonder if there is another update that will appear soon or if they are referring to that update.
Need to update mine. It's version 02. That's embarrassing.
Dave
Feb 04, 2021 at 11:46 PM
p.7 #8A1 Reviews/Video thread
Start up time from power off to on looks way, way faster...check it out at the time stamp 2:49
Feb 05, 2021 at 04:49 AM
p.7 #9A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Start up time from power off to on looks way, way faster...check it out at the time stamp 2:49
Looks great. We have come a long way since Mr Turtle, aka the A7rII
Start up time from power off to on looks way, way faster...check it out at the time stamp 2:49
Looks great. We have come a long way since Mr Turtle, aka the A7rII
Feb 05, 2021 at 05:06 AM
p.7 #10A1 Reviews/Video thread
One thing that caught my attention is that the three wheels now show up in the custom key menus....fingers crossed this means I can permanently switch Aperture down to the Control wheel, Shutter on the front dial and ISO on the rear dial. To do this on the A9II/A7RIV I have to use My Dial. But My Dial requires you to setup (and waste) a Custom Key just to toggle into it every time you start the camera...not a huge deal but was still annoying to me. I have fingers crossed that the wheels showing up in the Custom Key section will allow me to have this set permanently...if so, just one more thing Sony ticked off my Wishlist with this camera.
I'm really hoping someone puts together a full menu walkthrough for the A1. I did find this in depth walkthrough for the A7SIII to get myself a little bit familiarized with the new organization...maybe worth a watch as we kill time for 4 more weeks
I'm really hoping someone puts together a full menu walkthrough for the A1. I did find this in depth walkthrough for the A7SIII to get myself a little bit familiarized with the new organization...maybe worth a watch as we kill time for 4 more weeks
Feb 05, 2021 at 06:42 AM
p.7 #11A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
One thing that caught my attention is that the three wheels now show up in the custom key menus....fingers crossed this means I can permanently switch Aperture down to the Control wheel, Shutter on the front dial and ISO on the rear dial. To do this on the A9II/A7RIV I have to use My Dial. But My Dial requires you to setup (and waste) a Custom Key just to toggle into it every time you start the camera...not a huge deal but was still annoying to me. I have fingers crossed that the wheels showing up in the Custom Key...Show more →
Good idea. I have no experience with the new menu system either. Getting acquainted with it sounds like a good way to make the wait go a little faster.
Thanks for the link.
One thing that caught my attention is that the three wheels now show up in the custom key menus....fingers crossed this means I can permanently switch Aperture down to the Control wheel, Shutter on the front dial and ISO on the rear dial. To do this on the A9II/A7RIV I have to use My Dial. But My Dial requires you to setup (and waste) a Custom Key just to toggle into it every time you start the camera...not a huge deal but was still annoying to me. I have fingers crossed that the wheels showing up in the Custom Key...Show more →
Good idea. I have no experience with the new menu system either. Getting acquainted with it sounds like a good way to make the wait go a little faster.
Thanks for the link.
Feb 05, 2021 at 08:34 AM
p.7 #12A1 Reviews/Video thread
I tried the old trick of changing the model name in an A1 raw file to ILCE-9 to get Lightroom to import the file but it did not work. Not sure why, as I'm not seeing much difference in the file structure.
Feb 05, 2021 at 09:03 AM
p.7 #13A1 Reviews/Video thread
Hillrg` wrote:
I tried the old trick of changing the model name in an A1 raw file to ILCE-9 to get Lightroom to import the file but it did not work. Not sure why, as I'm not seeing much difference in the file structure.
I believe you can convert the files to DNG format and you can go from there.
I tried the old trick of changing the model name in an A1 raw file to ILCE-9 to get Lightroom to import the file but it did not work. Not sure why, as I'm not seeing much difference in the file structure.
I believe you can convert the files to DNG format and you can go from there.
Feb 05, 2021 at 09:07 AM
p.7 #14A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Start up time from power off to on looks way, way faster...check it out at the time stamp 2:49
You are right. But other videos shows it's way slower. So some settings might be affecting startup time?
Start up time from power off to on looks way, way faster...check it out at the time stamp 2:49
You are right. But other videos shows it's way slower. So some settings might be affecting startup time?
Feb 05, 2021 at 09:11 AM
p.7 #15A1 Reviews/Video thread
Hillrg` wrote:
I tried the old trick of changing the model name in an A1 raw file to ILCE-9 to get Lightroom to import the file but it did not work. Not sure why, as I'm not seeing much difference in the file structure.
I was able to open them in RawTherapee and boosted exposure on the high contrast scenes to see what the shadows looked like. It's hard to say without a direct point of comparison if there is any improvement vs. other models, however. For what it's worth, a 3 stop push seemed ok while anything needing 4 was getting noisy. I'm mainly hoping there is some improvement, even if slight, over the A7R3.
I tried the old trick of changing the model name in an A1 raw file to ILCE-9 to get Lightroom to import the file but it did not work. Not sure why, as I'm not seeing much difference in the file structure.
I was able to open them in RawTherapee and boosted exposure on the high contrast scenes to see what the shadows looked like. It's hard to say without a direct point of comparison if there is any improvement vs. other models, however. For what it's worth, a 3 stop push seemed ok while anything needing 4 was getting noisy. I'm mainly hoping there is some improvement, even if slight, over the A7R3.
Feb 05, 2021 at 09:20 AM
p.7 #16A1 Reviews/Video thread
ketang wrote:
I was able to open them in RawTherapee and boosted exposure on the high contrast scenes to see what the shadows looked like. It's hard to say without a direct point of comparison if there is any improvement vs. other models, however. For what it's worth, a 3 stop push seemed ok while anything needing 4 was getting noisy. I'm mainly hoping there is some improvement, even if slight, over the A7R3.
In Video Undone showed higher DR than with the A7siii at least, the best he tested so far.
Being a sacked sensor I guess DR at base iso to be better than the A9ii, but still slightly behind the A7riii, comparable at higher isos..
Hillrg` wrote
I tried the old trick of changing the model name in an A1 raw file to ILCE-9 to get Lightroom to import the file but it did not work. Not sure why, as I'm not seeing much difference in the file structure.In Video Undone showed higher DR than with the A7siii at least, the best he tested so far.
Being a sacked sensor I guess DR at base iso to be better than the A9ii, but still slightly behind the A7riii, comparable at higher isos..
Feb 05, 2021 at 09:23 AM
p.7 #17A1 Reviews/Video thread
Hillrg` wrote:
I tried the old trick of changing the model name in an A1 raw file to ILCE-9 to get Lightroom to import the file but it did not work. Not sure why, as I'm not seeing much difference in the file structure.
Can't you use Imaging Edge to import the files and then export them as 16 bit tiffs?
I tried the old trick of changing the model name in an A1 raw file to ILCE-9 to get Lightroom to import the file but it did not work. Not sure why, as I'm not seeing much difference in the file structure.
Can't you use Imaging Edge to import the files and then export them as 16 bit tiffs?
Feb 05, 2021 at 09:45 AM
p.7 #18A1 Reviews/Video thread
buffalowolff wrote:
Hey @Alex Phan@ how are you liking it?
I'm not going to compete with to be the first to get the review out but will try my best to provide the most info for wildlife shooter on this new camera. I dont have enough time to get the shot in the real life to provide the most accurate data. I already request second rounds for the A1 so I can recorded the live evf af tracking to my atomos.
Will have it post when it is ready.
Btw, it fulfills ALL the wishlist that I have from A9ii
Hey @Alex Phan@ how are you liking it?
I'm not going to compete with to be the first to get the review out but will try my best to provide the most info for wildlife shooter on this new camera. I dont have enough time to get the shot in the real life to provide the most accurate data. I already request second rounds for the A1 so I can recorded the live evf af tracking to my atomos.
Will have it post when it is ready.
Btw, it fulfills ALL the wishlist that I have from A9ii
Feb 05, 2021 at 10:30 AM
p.7 #19A1 Reviews/Video thread
dclark wrote:
Can't you use Imaging Edge to import the files and then export them as 16 bit tiffs?
It was just an observation. Lots of cumbersome workarounds for sure.
Hillrg` wrote
I tried the old trick of changing the model name in an A1 raw file to ILCE-9 to get Lightroom to import the file but it did not work. Not sure why, as I'm not seeing much difference in the file structure.It was just an observation. Lots of cumbersome workarounds for sure.
Feb 05, 2021 at 10:33 AM
p.7 #20A1 Reviews/Video thread
All the videos I have seen are pretty shallow and uninformative. Gerald Undone did a decent job as far as he went with video. Still a lot needs to be tested in video however.
I am looking forward to a good exploration of AF performance from reviewers who are experienced with Sony, and experts in sports/action/wildlife/bird photography.
I would also like to see a detailed walk through of the menu system, and configuration options.
I would like to see detailed looks into read/write speeds, buffers, and card options.
I understand that before we are able to see good image quality reviews the RAW processors will need to be updated to properly read the files.
It just seems to me that this kind of quality testing is a bit slower than normal releases despite a pretty broad distribution of cameras given out for testing.
Maybe I am just being a bit impatient.
I am looking forward to a good exploration of AF performance from reviewers who are experienced with Sony, and experts in sports/action/wildlife/bird photography.
I would also like to see a detailed walk through of the menu system, and configuration options.
I would like to see detailed looks into read/write speeds, buffers, and card options.
I understand that before we are able to see good image quality reviews the RAW processors will need to be updated to properly read the files.
It just seems to me that this kind of quality testing is a bit slower than normal releases despite a pretty broad distribution of cameras given out for testing.
Maybe I am just being a bit impatient.
Feb 05, 2021 at 10:35 AM