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p.49 #2A1 Reviews/Video thread
Pius Sullivan wrote:
Oh boy, When I first saw the 30 FPS marketing headline I was thinking to myself that I would never find a reason to use that. Well, I was wrong.
Oh boy, When I first saw the 30 FPS marketing headline I was thinking to myself that I would never find a reason to use that. Well, I was wrong.
Mar 04, 2021 at 02:34 AM
p.49 #3A1 Reviews/Video thread
Sony Korea has uploaded review including bird photography section. It starts from 13:50 and ends at 1:14:30 but doesn't have translation option.
Mar 04, 2021 at 02:56 AM
p.49 #4A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
I've posted these before but here are the D850 and A1 ISO 6400 DPR Studio scene shots processed from RAW in LR Prerelease that has A1 support.
All NR, Sharpening turned off.
Yeah, I saw this. Still there's a difference. Not a huge one. I will wait for ACR to arrive to make final judgement. I want to see A1 is equal to better than 850.
I've posted these before but here are the D850 and A1 ISO 6400 DPR Studio scene shots processed from RAW in LR Prerelease that has A1 support.
All NR, Sharpening turned off.
Yeah, I saw this. Still there's a difference. Not a huge one. I will wait for ACR to arrive to make final judgement. I want to see A1 is equal to better than 850.
Mar 04, 2021 at 07:18 AM
p.49 #5A1 Reviews/Video thread
Jemini wrote:
All NR, Sharpening turned off.Yeah, I saw this. Still there's a difference. Not a huge one. I will wait for ACR to arrive to make final judgement. I want to see A1 is equal to better than 850.
This is ACR....LR and ACR are the same engine. LR PR has had A1 support for three versions now so I think this is final as I can't see any change going from v5 to v7. This will be what ACR does when released.
arbitrage wrote
I've posted these before but here are the D850 and A1 ISO 6400 DPR Studio scene shots processed from RAW in LR Prerelease that has A1 support.All NR, Sharpening turned off.
This is ACR....LR and ACR are the same engine. LR PR has had A1 support for three versions now so I think this is final as I can't see any change going from v5 to v7. This will be what ACR does when released.
Mar 04, 2021 at 07:31 AM
p.49 #7A1 Reviews/Video thread
Jemini wrote:
A1:
- JPEGs retain very high levels of detail at both low and high ISOs
- Noise reduction strikes a slightly different balance compared to the a7R IV, opting to reduce more luminance noise at the slight cost of fine detail as light levels drop
- Colors are improved: richer yellows, less magenta-tainted blues, warmer greens
- Class-leading Raw dynamic range compared to professional action / sports cameras
- Almost class-leading dynamic range compared to high-resolution full-frame peers
- ISO invariant over two ranges: 100-400, 500-102,400
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a1-initial-review/5Also from same article (RAW)
"Despite being built to have absolutely insane readout speed, which often comes at a noise cost, the Sony a1 performs similarly well to the Canon EOS R5 at higher ISO values, and comes in a bit behind the Nikon Z7 II and a little ahead of Panasonic's Lumix DC-S1R."
I said earlier in the thread that it looks slightly worse than D850/D500. People didn't agree with me that broke my heart
I still don't agree. The D850 looks worse than Z7ii on Dpreviews Studio Scene at higher iso (see link below). Then, if you compare A1 to D850 PDR, the A1 is measurably better than D850 and on par to the D500 (at high iso) in APSC mode:
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-1(APS-C)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a1&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=nikon_z7ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=803&x=-0.19673130473906603&y=-0.6597485281157085I'm not sure what dpr is doing. I will use the tool to get the best for the camera. I downloaded RAW files from DPR. A1 file was converted in Edit with Neutral picture style, NR set to off. I also made sure all settings are off. Nikon file was converted in capture NX. Again neutral pic style and NR turned off. Resized A1 crop to match 850. This is what I'm getting. When ACR support Sony file I will get a better comparison. I'm not saying I'm doing everything right. I will be happy to be wrong and get...Show more →
How did you convert the A1 raw? Raw Therapee and PS or LR still don't support them?
Holger wrote
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
DPreview image analysis - Almost no penalty in DR or IQ with ES vs. MS. FantasticA1:
- JPEGs retain very high levels of detail at both low and high ISOs
- Noise reduction strikes a slightly different balance compared to the a7R IV, opting to reduce more luminance noise at the slight cost of fine detail as light levels drop
- Colors are improved: richer yellows, less magenta-tainted blues, warmer greens
- Class-leading Raw dynamic range compared to professional action / sports cameras
- Almost class-leading dynamic range compared to high-resolution full-frame peers
- ISO invariant over two ranges: 100-400, 500-102,400
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a1-initial-review/5
"Despite being built to have absolutely insane readout speed, which often comes at a noise cost, the Sony a1 performs similarly well to the Canon EOS R5 at higher ISO values, and comes in a bit behind the Nikon Z7 II and a little ahead of Panasonic's Lumix DC-S1R."
I said earlier in the thread that it looks slightly worse than D850/D500. People didn't agree with me that broke my heart
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-1(APS-C)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a1&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=nikon_z7ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=803&x=-0.19673130473906603&y=-0.6597485281157085
How did you convert the A1 raw? Raw Therapee and PS or LR still don't support them?
Mar 04, 2021 at 09:48 AM
p.49 #8A1 Reviews/Video thread
Holger wrote:
A1:
- JPEGs retain very high levels of detail at both low and high ISOs
- Noise reduction strikes a slightly different balance compared to the a7R IV, opting to reduce more luminance noise at the slight cost of fine detail as light levels drop
- Colors are improved: richer yellows, less magenta-tainted blues, warmer greens
- Class-leading Raw dynamic range compared to professional action / sports cameras
- Almost class-leading dynamic range compared to high-resolution full-frame peers
- ISO invariant over two ranges: 100-400, 500-102,400
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a1-initial-review/5Also from same article (RAW)
"Despite being built to have absolutely insane readout speed, which often comes at a noise cost, the Sony a1 performs similarly well to the Canon EOS R5 at higher ISO values, and comes in a bit behind the Nikon Z7 II and a little ahead of Panasonic's Lumix DC-S1R."
I said earlier in the thread that it looks slightly worse than D850/D500. People didn't agree with me that broke my heartI still don't agree. The D850 looks worse than Z7ii on Dpreviews Studio Scene at higher iso (see link below). Then, if you compare A1 to D850 PDR, the A1 is measurably better than D850 and on par to the D500 (at high iso) in APSC mode:
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-1(APS-C)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a1&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=nikon_z7ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=803&x=-0.19673130473906603&y=-0.6597485281157085I'm not sure what dpr is doing. I will use the tool to get the best for the camera. I downloaded RAW files from DPR. A1 file was converted in Edit with Neutral picture style, NR set to off. I also made sure all settings are off. Nikon file was converted in capture NX. Again neutral pic style and NR turned off. Resized A1 crop to match 850. This is what I'm getting. When ACR support Sony file I will get a better comparison. I'm not saying I'm doing everything right. I will be happy to be wrong and get better result from A1.
Of course top is 850 and bottom A1How did you convert the A1 raw? Raw Therapee and PS or LR still don't support them?
Sony Edit.
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
DPreview image analysis - Almost no penalty in DR or IQ with ES vs. MS. FantasticA1:
- JPEGs retain very high levels of detail at both low and high ISOs
- Noise reduction strikes a slightly different balance compared to the a7R IV, opting to reduce more luminance noise at the slight cost of fine detail as light levels drop
- Colors are improved: richer yellows, less magenta-tainted blues, warmer greens
- Class-leading Raw dynamic range compared to professional action / sports cameras
- Almost class-leading dynamic range compared to high-resolution full-frame peers
- ISO invariant over two ranges: 100-400, 500-102,400
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a1-initial-review/5
"Despite being built to have absolutely insane readout speed, which often comes at a noise cost, the Sony a1 performs similarly well to the Canon EOS R5 at higher ISO values, and comes in a bit behind the Nikon Z7 II and a little ahead of Panasonic's Lumix DC-S1R."
I said earlier in the thread that it looks slightly worse than D850/D500. People didn't agree with me that broke my heart
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-1(APS-C)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a1&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=nikon_z7ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=803&x=-0.19673130473906603&y=-0.6597485281157085
Of course top is 850 and bottom A1
Sony Edit.
Mar 04, 2021 at 10:12 AM
p.49 #9A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
All NR, Sharpening turned off.Yeah, I saw this. Still there's a difference. Not a huge one. I will wait for ACR to arrive to make final judgement. I want to see A1 is equal to better than 850.This is ACR....LR and ACR are the same engine. LR PR has had A1 support for three versions now so I think this is final as I can't see any change going from v5 to v7. This will be what ACR does when released.
Never used LR. Not a big fan of catalogue style editing. I could not get used to it. That's why I stopped using Capture One too. If ACR doesn't come out soon, I will try it..
I opened LR and saw A1 files are not supported. Stopped right there. Don't have the time to explore as of now...
Jemini wrote
arbitrage wrote
I've posted these before but here are the D850 and A1 ISO 6400 DPR Studio scene shots processed from RAW in LR Prerelease that has A1 support.All NR, Sharpening turned off.
Never used LR. Not a big fan of catalogue style editing. I could not get used to it. That's why I stopped using Capture One too. If ACR doesn't come out soon, I will try it..
I opened LR and saw A1 files are not supported. Stopped right there
. Don't have the time to explore as of now...Mar 04, 2021 at 10:18 AM
p.49 #10A1 Reviews/Video thread
Jemini wrote:
A1:
- JPEGs retain very high levels of detail at both low and high ISOs
- Noise reduction strikes a slightly different balance compared to the a7R IV, opting to reduce more luminance noise at the slight cost of fine detail as light levels drop
- Colors are improved: richer yellows, less magenta-tainted blues, warmer greens
- Class-leading Raw dynamic range compared to professional action / sports cameras
- Almost class-leading dynamic range compared to high-resolution full-frame peers
- ISO invariant over two ranges: 100-400, 500-102,400
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a1-initial-review/5Also from same article (RAW)
"Despite being built to have absolutely insane readout speed, which often comes at a noise cost, the Sony a1 performs similarly well to the Canon EOS R5 at higher ISO values, and comes in a bit behind the Nikon Z7 II and a little ahead of Panasonic's Lumix DC-S1R."
I said earlier in the thread that it looks slightly worse than D850/D500. People didn't agree with me that broke my heartI still don't agree. The D850 looks worse than Z7ii on Dpreviews Studio Scene at higher iso (see link below). Then, if you compare A1 to D850 PDR, the A1 is measurably better than D850 and on par to the D500 (at high iso) in APSC mode:
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-1(APS-C)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a1&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=nikon_z7ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=803&x=-0.19673130473906603&y=-0.6597485281157085I'm not sure what dpr is doing. I will use the tool to get the best for the camera. I downloaded RAW files from DPR. A1 file was converted in Edit with Neutral picture style, NR set to off. I also made sure all settings are off. Nikon file was converted in capture NX. Again neutral pic style and NR turned off. Resized A1 crop to match 850. This is what I'm getting. When ACR support Sony file I will get a better comparison. I'm not saying I'm doing everything right. I will be happy to be wrong and get better result from A1.
Of course top is 850 and bottom A1How did you convert the A1 raw? Raw Therapee and PS or LR still don't support them?Sony Edit.
Sure, didn't cross my mind. I would want to use LR because of my presets, hope Adobe brings out support soon or some other software, allowing to export DNGs which I can then import.
Holger wrote
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
DPreview image analysis - Almost no penalty in DR or IQ with ES vs. MS. FantasticA1:
- JPEGs retain very high levels of detail at both low and high ISOs
- Noise reduction strikes a slightly different balance compared to the a7R IV, opting to reduce more luminance noise at the slight cost of fine detail as light levels drop
- Colors are improved: richer yellows, less magenta-tainted blues, warmer greens
- Class-leading Raw dynamic range compared to professional action / sports cameras
- Almost class-leading dynamic range compared to high-resolution full-frame peers
- ISO invariant over two ranges: 100-400, 500-102,400
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a1-initial-review/5
"Despite being built to have absolutely insane readout speed, which often comes at a noise cost, the Sony a1 performs similarly well to the Canon EOS R5 at higher ISO values, and comes in a bit behind the Nikon Z7 II and a little ahead of Panasonic's Lumix DC-S1R."
I said earlier in the thread that it looks slightly worse than D850/D500. People didn't agree with me that broke my heart
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-1(APS-C)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a1&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=nikon_z7ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=803&x=-0.19673130473906603&y=-0.6597485281157085
Of course top is 850 and bottom A1
Sure, didn't cross my mind. I would want to use LR because of my presets, hope Adobe brings out support soon or some other software, allowing to export DNGs which I can then import.
Mar 04, 2021 at 10:20 AM
p.49 #11A1 Reviews/Video thread
Holger wrote:
A1:
- JPEGs retain very high levels of detail at both low and high ISOs
- Noise reduction strikes a slightly different balance compared to the a7R IV, opting to reduce more luminance noise at the slight cost of fine detail as light levels drop
- Colors are improved: richer yellows, less magenta-tainted blues, warmer greens
- Class-leading Raw dynamic range compared to professional action / sports cameras
- Almost class-leading dynamic range compared to high-resolution full-frame peers
- ISO invariant over two ranges: 100-400, 500-102,400
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a1-initial-review/5Also from same article (RAW)
"Despite being built to have absolutely insane readout speed, which often comes at a noise cost, the Sony a1 performs similarly well to the Canon EOS R5 at higher ISO values, and comes in a bit behind the Nikon Z7 II and a little ahead of Panasonic's Lumix DC-S1R."
I said earlier in the thread that it looks slightly worse than D850/D500. People didn't agree with me that broke my heartI still don't agree. The D850 looks worse than Z7ii on Dpreviews Studio Scene at higher iso (see link below). Then, if you compare A1 to D850 PDR, the A1 is measurably better than D850 and on par to the D500 (at high iso) in APSC mode:
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-1(APS-C)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a1&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=nikon_z7ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=803&x=-0.19673130473906603&y=-0.6597485281157085
That is saying a LOT. The D500 was gifted for high ISO pushes, maybe like no there I've experienced.
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
DPreview image analysis - Almost no penalty in DR or IQ with ES vs. MS. FantasticA1:
- JPEGs retain very high levels of detail at both low and high ISOs
- Noise reduction strikes a slightly different balance compared to the a7R IV, opting to reduce more luminance noise at the slight cost of fine detail as light levels drop
- Colors are improved: richer yellows, less magenta-tainted blues, warmer greens
- Class-leading Raw dynamic range compared to professional action / sports cameras
- Almost class-leading dynamic range compared to high-resolution full-frame peers
- ISO invariant over two ranges: 100-400, 500-102,400
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a1-initial-review/5
"Despite being built to have absolutely insane readout speed, which often comes at a noise cost, the Sony a1 performs similarly well to the Canon EOS R5 at higher ISO values, and comes in a bit behind the Nikon Z7 II and a little ahead of Panasonic's Lumix DC-S1R."
I said earlier in the thread that it looks slightly worse than D850/D500. People didn't agree with me that broke my heart
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-1(APS-C)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a1&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=nikon_z7ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=803&x=-0.19673130473906603&y=-0.6597485281157085
That is saying a LOT. The D500 was gifted for high ISO pushes, maybe like no there I've experienced.
Mar 04, 2021 at 11:18 AM
p.49 #12A1 Reviews/Video thread
aboutthelight wrote:
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not...Show more →
It is nothing new, and the same thing has been happening for the last 17 years I have been a member here. It happens with every new camera that comes out. First, the endless rumors and comments about what the new model should and/or will have. Then when it comes out, all the crap photos posted along with some great ones. And even the great ones seldom look any better than those from the previous model. Then there are the new owners that complain about problems with the new model because they have not read the owner's manual, or can't understand it. As always there will the many complaints about what features were not put on the new model.
Just like all previous years, there will be many images posted that on your monitor look not one iota better than those taken by earlier models. And there will be the images accompanied by claims that the new 50mp files look better than the 30mp ones from the previous model, when most viewers looking at them see no noticeable difference.
There will also be the 50mp images that those posters seem to think show that 50mp FF images look better than those taken with older and lower MP DSLR's, when the examples they post show no such thing, and you wonder why that person posted such garbage examples.
Bottom line: Same old routine every year, and same summary from me: You have to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not...Show more →
It is nothing new, and the same thing has been happening for the last 17 years I have been a member here. It happens with every new camera that comes out. First, the endless rumors and comments about what the new model should and/or will have. Then when it comes out, all the crap photos posted along with some great ones. And even the great ones seldom look any better than those from the previous model. Then there are the new owners that complain about problems with the new model because they have not read the owner's manual, or can't understand it. As always there will the many complaints about what features were not put on the new model.
Just like all previous years, there will be many images posted that on your monitor look not one iota better than those taken by earlier models. And there will be the images accompanied by claims that the new 50mp files look better than the 30mp ones from the previous model, when most viewers looking at them see no noticeable difference.
There will also be the 50mp images that those posters seem to think show that 50mp FF images look better than those taken with older and lower MP DSLR's, when the examples they post show no such thing, and you wonder why that person posted such garbage examples.
Bottom line: Same old routine every year, and same summary from me: You have to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Mar 04, 2021 at 11:45 AM
p.49 #13A1 Reviews/Video thread
And all forum threads degrade from the original intent. This thread is now almost 50 pages and contains about 5 pages of A1 reviews. A lot of chaff here.
Mar 04, 2021 at 11:52 AM
p.49 #14A1 Reviews/Video thread
Imagemaster wrote:
How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.It is nothing new, and the same thing has been happening for the last 17 years I have been a member here. It happens with every new camera that comes out. First, the endless rumors and comments about what the new model should and/or will have. Then when it comes out, all the crap photos posted along with some great ones. And even the great ones seldom look any better than those from the previous model. Then there are the new owners that complain about problems with the new model because they have not read the owner's manual, or can't...Show more →
All good points and , I imagine, for most photographic needs 50MP isn't necessary. I do some wildlife and BIF and realized early on that cropping becomes a factor when shooting these subjects. At 24 MP the a9ii was a fine camera and, if used for general shooting, cropping slightly to fine tune composition wasn't an issue. Heavy cropping would sometimes result in a very noticeable loss of image quality. I agree that you're probably not going to see much difference in images when viewed online between 24MP and 50MP. I will say that I can see the difference between my Leica files and my Sony files, but that probably comes down to the fact that I was using APO Summicron-SL lenses on the Leica and they just tend to render differently with super high contrast/microcontrast as well as sharpness.
After using a few systems (Sony, Leica, Canon) the things that are noticeable as new cameras are developed, to me, are "real world" dynamic range (Sony files always seem to be able to be pushed much further than other manufacturers, especially with the information in the shadows) and autofocus speed and reliability. As much as I loved the files from the Leica, the AF performance is relatively dismal and I had many instances where I could have easily gotten more in focus subjects with Canon or Sony (I have no experience with Nikon, but I assume it would be the same case).
I had to use my a7r iii in a pinch last Thanksgiving and the images look fantastic - so I agree that most people wouldn't be able to tell much of a difference. I imagine most who ordered the Alpha 1 did so for the increased performance and the ability to maybe acquire a single body that has the major strengths of some of the other alpha cameras in a single package.
aboutthelight wrote
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not a single one of these videos showed anything close to what that camera has the potential to produce. I mean going to the local duck pond at noon and shooting tame birds completely off the sun angle is proof of what exactly? Same with distant birds that are tiny in the frame. Chickadees shot at steep angles with garbage composition prove what How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.All good points and , I imagine, for most photographic needs 50MP isn't necessary. I do some wildlife and BIF and realized early on that cropping becomes a factor when shooting these subjects. At 24 MP the a9ii was a fine camera and, if used for general shooting, cropping slightly to fine tune composition wasn't an issue. Heavy cropping would sometimes result in a very noticeable loss of image quality. I agree that you're probably not going to see much difference in images when viewed online between 24MP and 50MP. I will say that I can see the difference between my Leica files and my Sony files, but that probably comes down to the fact that I was using APO Summicron-SL lenses on the Leica and they just tend to render differently with super high contrast/microcontrast as well as sharpness.
After using a few systems (Sony, Leica, Canon) the things that are noticeable as new cameras are developed, to me, are "real world" dynamic range (Sony files always seem to be able to be pushed much further than other manufacturers, especially with the information in the shadows) and autofocus speed and reliability. As much as I loved the files from the Leica, the AF performance is relatively dismal and I had many instances where I could have easily gotten more in focus subjects with Canon or Sony (I have no experience with Nikon, but I assume it would be the same case).
I had to use my a7r iii in a pinch last Thanksgiving and the images look fantastic - so I agree that most people wouldn't be able to tell much of a difference. I imagine most who ordered the Alpha 1 did so for the increased performance and the ability to maybe acquire a single body that has the major strengths of some of the other alpha cameras in a single package.
Mar 04, 2021 at 12:26 PM
p.49 #15A1 Reviews/Video thread
Imagemaster wrote:
How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.It is nothing new, and the same thing has been happening for the last 17 years I have been a member here. It happens with every new camera that comes out. First, the endless rumors and comments about what the new model should and/or will have. Then when it comes out, all the crap photos posted along with some great ones. And even the great ones seldom look any better than those from the previous model. Then there are the new owners that complain about problems with the new model because they have not read the owner's manual, or can't...Show more →
True with about most things made.
I have files from the Canon 5D that I used while doing work in China. Images print to 17X22 without issue and no loss of detail or image quality. But in some of my macro work that is done on rare insects, having the greater number of pixels for cropping as needed, is always nice.
And looking forward to some actual user hands on experience and input. I see that my order went from backorder to new order and processing.
aboutthelight wrote
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not a single one of these videos showed anything close to what that camera has the potential to produce. I mean going to the local duck pond at noon and shooting tame birds completely off the sun angle is proof of what exactly? Same with distant birds that are tiny in the frame. Chickadees shot at steep angles with garbage composition prove what How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.True with about most things made.
I have files from the Canon 5D that I used while doing work in China. Images print to 17X22 without issue and no loss of detail or image quality. But in some of my macro work that is done on rare insects, having the greater number of pixels for cropping as needed, is always nice.
And looking forward to some actual user hands on experience and input. I see that my order went from backorder to new order and processing.
Mar 04, 2021 at 12:38 PM
p.49 #16A1 Reviews/Video thread
Imagemaster wrote:
How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.It is nothing new, and the same thing has been happening for the last 17 years I have been a member here. It happens with every new camera that comes out. First, the endless rumors and comments about what the new model should and/or will have. Then when it comes out, all the crap photos posted along with some great ones. And even the great ones seldom look any better than those from the previous model. Then there are the new owners that complain about problems with the new model because they have not read the owner's manual, or can't...Show more →
My Violet-green swallow IF deep crops are going to look better starting off with 50MPs....that I know for sure
Now the question becomes if nicer swallow images are worth $9K CAD?
But the A1 is allowing me to sell three other cameras and an expensive Canon lens/TC so I should come out ahead
aboutthelight wrote
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not a single one of these videos showed anything close to what that camera has the potential to produce. I mean going to the local duck pond at noon and shooting tame birds completely off the sun angle is proof of what exactly? Same with distant birds that are tiny in the frame. Chickadees shot at steep angles with garbage composition prove what How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.My Violet-green swallow IF deep crops are going to look better starting off with 50MPs....that I know for sure
Now the question becomes if nicer swallow images are worth $9K CAD?
But the A1 is allowing me to sell three other cameras and an expensive Canon lens/TC so I should come out ahead
Mar 04, 2021 at 01:39 PM
p.49 #17A1 Reviews/Video thread
Skip ahead to about 1:20.
https://youtu.be/Vt0i2k5jpPo
https://youtu.be/Vt0i2k5jpPo
Mar 04, 2021 at 04:30 PM
p.49 #18A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Imagemaster wrote
aboutthelight wrote
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not a single one of these videos showed anything close to what that camera has the potential to produce. I mean going to the local duck pond at noon and shooting tame birds completely off the sun angle is proof of what exactly? Same with distant birds that are tiny in the frame. Chickadees shot at steep angles with garbage composition prove what How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.Just like all previous years, there will be many images posted that on your monitor look not one iota better than those taken by earlier models. And there will be the images accompanied by claims that the new 50mp files look better than the 30mp ones from the previous model, when most viewers looking at them see no noticeable difference.
There will also be the 50mp images that those posters seem to think show that 50mp FF images look better than those taken with older and lower MP DSLR's, when the examples they post show no such thing, and you wonder why that person posted such garbage examples.
Bottom line: Same old routine every year, and same summary from me: You have to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Now the question becomes if nicer swallow images are worth $9K CAD?
Look at it this way: it’s bound to be cheaper than long term therapy. :-)
Mar 04, 2021 at 04:45 PM
p.49 #19A1 Reviews/Video thread
Imagemaster wrote:
How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.It is nothing new, and the same thing has been happening for the last 17 years I have been a member here. It happens with every new camera that comes out. First, the endless rumors and comments about what the new model should and/or will have. Then when it comes out, all the crap photos posted along with some great ones. And even the great ones seldom look any better than those from the previous model. Then there are the new owners that complain about problems with the new model because they have not read the owner's manual, or can't...Show more →
Good points. No need to order A1. Fuji GFX100s, here I come.
aboutthelight wrote
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not a single one of these videos showed anything close to what that camera has the potential to produce. I mean going to the local duck pond at noon and shooting tame birds completely off the sun angle is proof of what exactly? Same with distant birds that are tiny in the frame. Chickadees shot at steep angles with garbage composition prove what How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.Good points. No need to order A1. Fuji GFX100s, here I come.
Mar 04, 2021 at 05:45 PM
p.49 #20A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
My Violet-green swallow IF deep crops are going to look better starting off with 50MPs....that I know for sure
Now the question becomes if nicer swallow images are worth $9K CAD?
But the A1 is allowing me to sell three other cameras and an expensive Canon lens/TC so I should come out ahead
Hey, some people could shoot PIF's with a 7D in 2010. It was highly recommended by many:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/894368/0
My Violet-green swallow IF deep crops are going to look better starting off with 50MPs....that I know for sure
Now the question becomes if nicer swallow images are worth $9K CAD?
But the A1 is allowing me to sell three other cameras and an expensive Canon lens/TC so I should come out ahead
Hey, some people could shoot PIF's with a 7D in 2010. It was highly recommended by many:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/894368/0
Mar 04, 2021 at 06:01 PM