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p.48 #1A1 Reviews/Video thread
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not a single one of these videos showed anything close to what that camera has the potential to produce. I mean going to the local duck pond at noon and shooting tame birds completely off the sun angle is proof of what exactly? Same with distant birds that are tiny in the frame. Chickadees shot at steep angles with garbage composition prove what
How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.
How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.Mar 03, 2021 at 03:59 PM
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p.48 #2A1 Reviews/Video thread
aboutthelight wrote:
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not...Show more →
I don't care about birds and wish Sony would have done something more useful like SunglassAF or HalloweenMaskAF
Mar 03, 2021 at 04:14 PM
p.48 #3A1 Reviews/Video thread
aboutthelight wrote:
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not...Show more →
I guess the wilds of NY City are pretty unforgiving.
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not...Show more →
I guess the wilds of NY City are pretty unforgiving.
Mar 03, 2021 at 04:15 PM
p.48 #4A1 Reviews/Video thread
mogul wrote:
How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.I guess the wilds of NY City are pretty unforgiving.
We have some fantastic places in and around New York CIty to produce really high quality photos. Reality is that you can produce killer photos almost anywhere. Ever see the photos that people like Alan Murphy produce at their set ups? And then what a zoomed out shot of the set up looked like? But I would think if you got your hands on an A1 and wanted to show what it was capable of you would not show a photo of a distant shrike, or nuthatch through a tree or whatever other crappy shots I have seen. They are nothing more than run of the mill average grab shots at best that any DSLR made in the last 10 years could easily capture.
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Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not a single one of these videos showed anything close to what that camera has the potential to produce. I mean going to the local duck pond at noon and shooting tame birds completely off the sun angle is proof of what exactly? Same with distant birds that are tiny in the frame. Chickadees shot at steep angles with garbage composition prove what How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.We have some fantastic places in and around New York CIty to produce really high quality photos. Reality is that you can produce killer photos almost anywhere. Ever see the photos that people like Alan Murphy produce at their set ups? And then what a zoomed out shot of the set up looked like? But I would think if you got your hands on an A1 and wanted to show what it was capable of you would not show a photo of a distant shrike, or nuthatch through a tree or whatever other crappy shots I have seen. They are nothing more than run of the mill average grab shots at best that any DSLR made in the last 10 years could easily capture.
Mar 03, 2021 at 04:27 PM
p.48 #5A1 Reviews/Video thread
aboutthelight wrote:
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not...Show more →
..most of that is true ;-)
I`m hobbyist and have the A9II and the R4 - that is more that I can ever justify with the quality of my photos. But I have ordered the camera - waiting impatiently.
So Mark Galer has shown that the camera can do..
By the way I`m not a birder, but thought the same as you as I saw the bird video (the link I have posted)..
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not...Show more →
..most of that is true ;-)
I`m hobbyist and have the A9II and the R4 - that is more that I can ever justify with the quality of my photos. But I have ordered the camera - waiting impatiently.
So Mark Galer has shown that the camera can do..
By the way I`m not a birder, but thought the same as you as I saw the bird video (the link I have posted)..
Mar 03, 2021 at 04:51 PM
p.48 #6A1 Reviews/Video thread
Holger wrote:
A1:
- JPEGs retain very high levels of detail at both low and high ISOs
- Noise reduction strikes a slightly different balance compared to the a7R IV, opting to reduce more luminance noise at the slight cost of fine detail as light levels drop
- Colors are improved: richer yellows, less magenta-tainted blues, warmer greens
- Class-leading Raw dynamic range compared to professional action / sports cameras
- Almost class-leading dynamic range compared to high-resolution full-frame peers
- ISO invariant over two ranges: 100-400, 500-102,400
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a1-initial-review/5Also from same article (RAW)
"Despite being built to have absolutely insane readout speed, which often comes at a noise cost, the Sony a1 performs similarly well to the Canon EOS R5 at higher ISO values, and comes in a bit behind the Nikon Z7 II and a little ahead of Panasonic's Lumix DC-S1R."
I said earlier in the thread that it looks slightly worse than D850/D500. People didn't agree with me that broke my heart
I still don't agree. The D850 looks worse than Z7ii on Dpreviews Studio Scene at higher iso (see link below). Then, if you compare A1 to D850 PDR, the A1 is measurably better than D850 and on par to the D500 (at high iso) in APSC mode:
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-1(APS-C)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a1&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=nikon_z7ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=803&x=-0.19673130473906603&y=-0.6597485281157085
I'm not sure what dpr is doing. I will use the tool to get the best for the camera. I downloaded RAW files from DPR. A1 file was converted in Edit with Neutral picture style, NR set to off. I also made sure all settings are off. Nikon file was converted in capture NX. Again neutral pic style and NR turned off. Resized A1 crop to match 850. This is what I'm getting. When ACR support Sony file I will get a better comparison. I'm not saying I'm doing everything right. I will be happy to be wrong and get better result from A1.
Of course top is 850 and bottom A1
6400 ISO from D850 and A1
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
DPreview image analysis - Almost no penalty in DR or IQ with ES vs. MS. FantasticA1:
- JPEGs retain very high levels of detail at both low and high ISOs
- Noise reduction strikes a slightly different balance compared to the a7R IV, opting to reduce more luminance noise at the slight cost of fine detail as light levels drop
- Colors are improved: richer yellows, less magenta-tainted blues, warmer greens
- Class-leading Raw dynamic range compared to professional action / sports cameras
- Almost class-leading dynamic range compared to high-resolution full-frame peers
- ISO invariant over two ranges: 100-400, 500-102,400
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a1-initial-review/5
"Despite being built to have absolutely insane readout speed, which often comes at a noise cost, the Sony a1 performs similarly well to the Canon EOS R5 at higher ISO values, and comes in a bit behind the Nikon Z7 II and a little ahead of Panasonic's Lumix DC-S1R."
I said earlier in the thread that it looks slightly worse than D850/D500. People didn't agree with me that broke my heart
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-1(APS-C)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a1&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=nikon_z7ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=803&x=-0.19673130473906603&y=-0.6597485281157085
I'm not sure what dpr is doing. I will use the tool to get the best for the camera. I downloaded RAW files from DPR. A1 file was converted in Edit with Neutral picture style, NR set to off. I also made sure all settings are off. Nikon file was converted in capture NX. Again neutral pic style and NR turned off. Resized A1 crop to match 850. This is what I'm getting. When ACR support Sony file I will get a better comparison. I'm not saying I'm doing everything right. I will be happy to be wrong and get better result from A1.
Of course top is 850 and bottom A1
6400 ISO from D850 and A1
Mar 03, 2021 at 04:55 PM
p.48 #7A1 Reviews/Video thread
..in general I must say, that since the A7 III and the A7R III - there is no really improvement in dynamic range and ISO performance...
I was also disappointed of the ISO performance of the A7S III... (RAW )
I was also disappointed of the ISO performance of the A7S III... (RAW )
Mar 03, 2021 at 05:02 PM
p.48 #8A1 Reviews/Video thread
Exactly my point. As of now, for a given MP we know how good/bad the noise is going to be. 50mp will be worse than 42 and 45mp. 60mp will be even worse.
abase21 wrote:
..in general I must say, that since the A7 III and the A7R III - there is no really improvement in dynamic range and ISO performance...
I was also disappointed of the ISO performance of the A7S III... (RAW )
abase21 wrote:
..in general I must say, that since the A7 III and the A7R III - there is no really improvement in dynamic range and ISO performance...
I was also disappointed of the ISO performance of the A7S III... (RAW )
Mar 03, 2021 at 05:13 PM
p.48 #9A1 Reviews/Video thread
abase21 wrote:
..in general I must say, that since the A7 III and the A7R III - there is no really improvement in dynamic range and ISO performance...
I was also disappointed of the ISO performance of the A7S III... (RAW )
How should that happen?
If you are photon shot noise limited, there is not so much you can do. There won't be big jumps in QE.
Read noise is already very low and no huge gains are to be expected using this kind of technology. Maybe organic sensors will lead to minor improvements, who knows.
Possibly computational photography will likely be a way out. With even faster readout multiple exposures can be generated in the background automatically to stack images and increase S/N ratio, different parts of the sensor read out differently, etc.
Here, however, we have a clear improvement in DR and ISO performance, as Sony managed to clearly improve stacked sensor technology.
It is amazing to now have a sensor which allows super fast readout, 30 fps, flicker reduction and flash in E-shutter, silent shooting etc. and you have hardly any penalty when using the E-shutter vs. the mechanical shutter. Isn't that enough for you?
..in general I must say, that since the A7 III and the A7R III - there is no really improvement in dynamic range and ISO performance...
I was also disappointed of the ISO performance of the A7S III... (RAW )
How should that happen?
If you are photon shot noise limited, there is not so much you can do. There won't be big jumps in QE.
Read noise is already very low and no huge gains are to be expected using this kind of technology. Maybe organic sensors will lead to minor improvements, who knows.
Possibly computational photography will likely be a way out. With even faster readout multiple exposures can be generated in the background automatically to stack images and increase S/N ratio, different parts of the sensor read out differently, etc.
Here, however, we have a clear improvement in DR and ISO performance, as Sony managed to clearly improve stacked sensor technology.
It is amazing to now have a sensor which allows super fast readout, 30 fps, flicker reduction and flash in E-shutter, silent shooting etc. and you have hardly any penalty when using the E-shutter vs. the mechanical shutter. Isn't that enough for you?
Mar 03, 2021 at 05:25 PM
p.48 #10A1 Reviews/Video thread
Jemini wrote:
Exactly my point. As of now, for a given MP we know how good/bad the noise is going to be. 50mp will be worse than 42 and 45mp. 60mp will be even worse.
I was also disappointed of the ISO performance of the A7S III... (RAW )
Worse in what way? At pixel level (hardly surprising)? Normalized? What about different sensor technologies? 50mp stacked vs. 42 BSI or else?
Exactly my point. As of now, for a given MP we know how good/bad the noise is going to be. 50mp will be worse than 42 and 45mp. 60mp will be even worse.
abase21 wrote
..in general I must say, that since the A7 III and the A7R III - there is no really improvement in dynamic range and ISO performance...I was also disappointed of the ISO performance of the A7S III... (RAW )
Worse in what way? At pixel level (hardly surprising)? Normalized? What about different sensor technologies? 50mp stacked vs. 42 BSI or else?
Mar 03, 2021 at 05:27 PM
p.48 #11A1 Reviews/Video thread
Above images are normalized to 850 size. All I said was 850 was better than A1. I didn't say anything about technology.
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p.48 #12A1 Reviews/Video thread
Holger wrote:
It is amazing to now have a sensor which allows super fast readout, 30 fps, flicker reduction and flash in E-shutter, silent shooting etc. and you have hardly any penalty when using the E-shutter vs. the mechanical shutter. Isn't that enough for you?
I wager smartphone type HDR stacking live in camera would be much more useful day to day to give a much bigger improvement in dynamic range. Even if it would only work for slower shutter speeds.
It is amazing to now have a sensor which allows super fast readout, 30 fps, flicker reduction and flash in E-shutter, silent shooting etc. and you have hardly any penalty when using the E-shutter vs. the mechanical shutter. Isn't that enough for you?
I wager smartphone type HDR stacking live in camera would be much more useful day to day to give a much bigger improvement in dynamic range. Even if it would only work for slower shutter speeds.
Mar 03, 2021 at 05:38 PM
p.48 #13A1 Reviews/Video thread
aboutthelight wrote:
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not...Show more →
Hmm...I am quite passable as a BIF shooter and I agree that most of the birding videos I've seen so far doesn't seem to reflect the expected capability of the A1. I am waiting for the master posters here in SONY forum to really dissect that A1 to its fullest birding capability. I can't afford it now but it doesn't mean I won't enjoy good birding results from it.
Venting is ok based from what you have stated but to justify that, I assumed you have taken much better results from your current and past gears. To gain some insight or learn something from what you were saying, I am interested to view some of your sample works if possible.
cheers,
gil
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not...Show more →
Hmm...I am quite passable as a BIF shooter and I agree that most of the birding videos I've seen so far doesn't seem to reflect the expected capability of the A1. I am waiting for the master posters here in SONY forum to really dissect that A1 to its fullest birding capability. I can't afford it now but it doesn't mean I won't enjoy good birding results from it.
Venting is ok based from what you have stated but to justify that, I assumed you have taken much better results from your current and past gears. To gain some insight or learn something from what you were saying, I am interested to view some of your sample works if possible.
cheers,
gil
Mar 03, 2021 at 05:39 PM
p.48 #14A1 Reviews/Video thread
Jemini wrote:
A1:
- JPEGs retain very high levels of detail at both low and high ISOs
- Noise reduction strikes a slightly different balance compared to the a7R IV, opting to reduce more luminance noise at the slight cost of fine detail as light levels drop
- Colors are improved: richer yellows, less magenta-tainted blues, warmer greens
- Class-leading Raw dynamic range compared to professional action / sports cameras
- Almost class-leading dynamic range compared to high-resolution full-frame peers
- ISO invariant over two ranges: 100-400, 500-102,400
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a1-initial-review/5Also from same article (RAW)
"Despite being built to have absolutely insane readout speed, which often comes at a noise cost, the Sony a1 performs similarly well to the Canon EOS R5 at higher ISO values, and comes in a bit behind the Nikon Z7 II and a little ahead of Panasonic's Lumix DC-S1R."
I said earlier in the thread that it looks slightly worse than D850/D500. People didn't agree with me that broke my heartI still don't agree. The D850 looks worse than Z7ii on Dpreviews Studio Scene at higher iso (see link below). Then, if you compare A1 to D850 PDR, the A1 is measurably better than D850 and on par to the D500 (at high iso) in APSC mode:
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-1(APS-C)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a1&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=nikon_z7ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=803&x=-0.19673130473906603&y=-0.6597485281157085I'm not sure what dpr is doing. I will use the tool to get the best for the camera. I downloaded RAW files from DPR. A1 file was converted in Edit with Neutral picture style, NR set to off. I also made sure all settings are off. Nikon file was converted in capture NX. Again neutral pic style and NR turned off. Resized A1 crop to match 850. This is what I'm getting. When ACR support Sony file I will get a better comparison. I'm not saying I'm doing everything right. I will be happy to be wrong and get...Show more →
Disagree. Define better.
You clearly see a difference in acuity and detail in the A1 file compared to the D850 files, which looks softer, less contrasty. So you have additional leeway to process the A1 files (in case the raw converter supports the raw format appropriately), by add. NR.
Bill Claff measurments are objective and show a small but measurable advantage of the A1 (surprisingly given the stacked sensor architecture), too.
Additionally, looking at the measurements, I don't see the big difference to the A7siii or A7sii either in PDR
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-7SM2,Sony%20ILCE-7SM3
The A7siiii will probably be better at super high isos, nobody will use in realty anyway (but then again, downsizing and accounting for the AA filter you can get both very close).
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Holger wrote
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
DPreview image analysis - Almost no penalty in DR or IQ with ES vs. MS. FantasticA1:
- JPEGs retain very high levels of detail at both low and high ISOs
- Noise reduction strikes a slightly different balance compared to the a7R IV, opting to reduce more luminance noise at the slight cost of fine detail as light levels drop
- Colors are improved: richer yellows, less magenta-tainted blues, warmer greens
- Class-leading Raw dynamic range compared to professional action / sports cameras
- Almost class-leading dynamic range compared to high-resolution full-frame peers
- ISO invariant over two ranges: 100-400, 500-102,400
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a1-initial-review/5
"Despite being built to have absolutely insane readout speed, which often comes at a noise cost, the Sony a1 performs similarly well to the Canon EOS R5 at higher ISO values, and comes in a bit behind the Nikon Z7 II and a little ahead of Panasonic's Lumix DC-S1R."
I said earlier in the thread that it looks slightly worse than D850/D500. People didn't agree with me that broke my heart
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-1(APS-C)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a1&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=nikon_z7ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=803&x=-0.19673130473906603&y=-0.6597485281157085
Disagree. Define better.
You clearly see a difference in acuity and detail in the A1 file compared to the D850 files, which looks softer, less contrasty. So you have additional leeway to process the A1 files (in case the raw converter supports the raw format appropriately), by add. NR.
Bill Claff measurments are objective and show a small but measurable advantage of the A1 (surprisingly given the stacked sensor architecture), too.
Additionally, looking at the measurements, I don't see the big difference to the A7siii or A7sii either in PDR
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-7SM2,Sony%20ILCE-7SM3
The A7siiii will probably be better at super high isos, nobody will use in realty anyway (but then again, downsizing and accounting for the AA filter you can get both very close).
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Mar 03, 2021 at 05:46 PM
p.48 #15A1 Reviews/Video thread
rdcny wrote:
Yes I shoot the A9 at 640 and the A74 at 320 all the time - no matter the lighting...and do my own adjustments in post.
So it seems reasonable that the new A1 has an optimum ISO for high ISO shooting...500 = no need to shoot at 64000 or some crazy ISO and let the camera do processing for you. You will do better (the image will look better) by shooting an the native (optimum) high ISO and doing the post processing yourself (and not in-camera by Sony)
Unfortunately that workflow won't cut it for sports shooters on the clock where exposure is important at capture time. Many shoot jpg for a reason. Others might use raw but don't do much except for maybe automated presets and then convert to jpg.
Yes I shoot the A9 at 640 and the A74 at 320 all the time - no matter the lighting...and do my own adjustments in post.
So it seems reasonable that the new A1 has an optimum ISO for high ISO shooting...500 = no need to shoot at 64000 or some crazy ISO and let the camera do processing for you. You will do better (the image will look better) by shooting an the native (optimum) high ISO and doing the post processing yourself (and not in-camera by Sony)
Unfortunately that workflow won't cut it for sports shooters on the clock where exposure is important at capture time. Many shoot jpg for a reason. Others might use raw but don't do much except for maybe automated presets and then convert to jpg.
Mar 03, 2021 at 05:47 PM
p.48 #16A1 Reviews/Video thread
Even with noise reduction disabled Capture NX still applies noise reduction. https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/adobe-camera-raw-vs-nikon-viewnx-i-and-capture-nx-d-which-should-you-be-using/2
You need to use the same raw converter on both images for a valid comparison.
Jemini wrote:
A1:
- JPEGs retain very high levels of detail at both low and high ISOs
- Noise reduction strikes a slightly different balance compared to the a7R IV, opting to reduce more luminance noise at the slight cost of fine detail as light levels drop
- Colors are improved: richer yellows, less magenta-tainted blues, warmer greens
- Class-leading Raw dynamic range compared to professional action / sports cameras
- Almost class-leading dynamic range compared to high-resolution full-frame peers
- ISO invariant over two ranges: 100-400, 500-102,400
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a1-initial-review/5Also from same article (RAW)
"Despite being built to have absolutely insane readout speed, which often comes at a noise cost, the Sony a1 performs similarly well to the Canon EOS R5 at higher ISO values, and comes in a bit behind the Nikon Z7 II and a little ahead of Panasonic's Lumix DC-S1R."
I said earlier in the thread that it looks slightly worse than D850/D500. People didn't agree with me that broke my heartI still don't agree. The D850 looks worse than Z7ii on Dpreviews Studio Scene at higher iso (see link below). Then, if you compare A1 to D850 PDR, the A1 is measurably better than D850 and on par to the D500 (at high iso) in APSC mode:
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-1(APS-C)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a1&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=nikon_z7ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=803&x=-0.19673130473906603&y=-0.6597485281157085I'm not sure what dpr is doing. I will use the tool to get the best for the camera. I downloaded RAW files from DPR. A1 file was converted in Edit with Neutral picture style, NR set to off. I also made sure all settings are off. Nikon file was converted in capture NX. Again neutral pic style and NR turned off. Resized A1 crop to match 850. This is what I'm getting. When ACR support Sony file I will get a better comparison. I'm not saying I'm doing everything right. I will be happy to be wrong and get...Show more →
You need to use the same raw converter on both images for a valid comparison.
Jemini wrote:
Holger wrote
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
DPreview image analysis - Almost no penalty in DR or IQ with ES vs. MS. FantasticA1:
- JPEGs retain very high levels of detail at both low and high ISOs
- Noise reduction strikes a slightly different balance compared to the a7R IV, opting to reduce more luminance noise at the slight cost of fine detail as light levels drop
- Colors are improved: richer yellows, less magenta-tainted blues, warmer greens
- Class-leading Raw dynamic range compared to professional action / sports cameras
- Almost class-leading dynamic range compared to high-resolution full-frame peers
- ISO invariant over two ranges: 100-400, 500-102,400
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a1-initial-review/5
"Despite being built to have absolutely insane readout speed, which often comes at a noise cost, the Sony a1 performs similarly well to the Canon EOS R5 at higher ISO values, and comes in a bit behind the Nikon Z7 II and a little ahead of Panasonic's Lumix DC-S1R."
I said earlier in the thread that it looks slightly worse than D850/D500. People didn't agree with me that broke my heart
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D850,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-1(APS-C)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a1&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=nikon_z7ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=803&x=-0.19673130473906603&y=-0.6597485281157085
Mar 03, 2021 at 06:46 PM
p.48 #17A1 Reviews/Video thread
aboutthelight wrote:
How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.I guess the wilds of NY City are pretty unforgiving.We have some fantastic places in and around New York CIty to produce really high quality photos. Reality is that you can produce killer photos almost anywhere. Ever see the photos that people like Alan Murphy produce at their set ups? And then what a zoomed out shot of the set up looked like? But I would think if you got your hands on an A1 and wanted to show what it was capable of you would not show a photo of a distant shrike, or nuthatch through a tree or whatever other crappy shots I have seen. They are...Show more →
This is the only bird photographer that has posted some decent results: https://www.naturephotographyblog.com
You have to realize that all the other reviewers aren't dedicated bird photographers and are just shooting some birds because they know it is one of the new features and they know this camera is a bird photographer's dream.
mogul wrote
aboutthelight wrote
Nikon guy here who is really interested in what this Sony A1 can do. I am really losing faith that Nikon will catch up or even produce a quality mirrorless after how crappy the Z7ii is that I bought and returned. I watched almost all of the videos and I am honestly just shocked at the low quality photos and work from the bird shooters. Sorry, just here to vent about how the hell do people get sent cutting edge tech and make videos of tiny birds far away that you could shoot with a 15 year old camera. Not a single one of these videos showed anything close to what that camera has the potential to produce. I mean going to the local duck pond at noon and shooting tame birds completely off the sun angle is proof of what exactly? Same with distant birds that are tiny in the frame. Chickadees shot at steep angles with garbage composition prove what How does this show us anything? And how do these companies pick these people to send their gear to. I just do not get it. Sorry to vent but I am really looking to see what people produce and say when they get it in their hands. I mean you have a camera for a week and could not produce a single quality photo. Hard to believe.This is the only bird photographer that has posted some decent results: https://www.naturephotographyblog.com
You have to realize that all the other reviewers aren't dedicated bird photographers and are just shooting some birds because they know it is one of the new features and they know this camera is a bird photographer's dream.
Mar 03, 2021 at 08:11 PM
p.48 #18A1 Reviews/Video thread
I've posted these before but here are the D850 and A1 ISO 6400 DPR Studio scene shots processed from RAW in LR Prerelease that has A1 support.
All NR, Sharpening turned off.
All NR, Sharpening turned off.
Mar 03, 2021 at 08:15 PM
p.48 #19A1 Reviews/Video thread
Thank you Geoff. Appreciate the link. Yes at least those are nice shots. Of course the owls looks baited which means it is a big slow owl right in front of you but at least the photos are beautiful and it shows that care and thought went into the shots. Very unlike what the others post. Geoff I very much look forward to your review when you get the camera.
Mar 03, 2021 at 08:57 PM
p.48 #20A1 Reviews/Video thread
Another with what looks like nice shots.
https://youtu.be/RLHjCVn6-eM
https://youtu.be/RLHjCVn6-eM
Mar 03, 2021 at 10:40 PM