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I’d be surprised if they’re the same person.



Are you saying you wouldn't be surprised?

Or you think they are not the same person?
Mar 01, 2021 at 06:35 PM
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p.44 #2A1 Reviews/Video thread
ShootPDX wrote:
1bwana1 wrote
duncang wroteWhy do you perceive explaining to osv2 what he clearly missed in Mark Galers video as being negative ?
Interesting pattern developing. Duncang is a new member like TopPixel. Looking at his posts they are mostly, if not all him, chiming in to support ToPixel.

I don't believe in coincidences like this.

Do you?
I’d be surprised if they’re the same person.


I'd been even more surprised if they're not...
Mar 01, 2021 at 06:49 PM
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p.44 #3A1 Reviews/Video thread
ShootPDX wrote:
duncang wrote
ShootPDX wrote
duncang wrote
TopPixel wrote
duncang wroteListen carefully on Mark Galers video at 29:40 and I will quote Mark here "so here is the 30fps, this time 240 frames and um it's an 8 second burst and if you do the maths it's 30 fps, now what I have done is I have come out of tracking and just gone into AF-C Wide..."

https://youtu.be/vguyofpy16Y?t=1778
Thank you for your service but I suspect @osv2@@@@@ is just trying to troll me. Surely he can't be that ignorant of what Mark Galer said?
I have to assume folks are just not paying attention and miss some of the detail in these videos and as a result are genuinely unaware of their ignorance - or perhaps just suffer from selective myopia.

Either way there may be other 3rd parties reading this who don't have the backstory - so it's always helpful to point out the specific facts and let them draw their own conclusions.
I think a lot of us just have reasonable expectations, and assume some of this stuff will be addressed in FW updates. Why you and TopPixel are so negative is beyond me.

You both get pretty beat up here, and you at DPR, duncang. TP claims he’s so vocal so that new photographers don’t buy the a1 on the basis they can get perfect screen grabs from an 8k, video, but why be so concerned with others? Do you guys go around the internet and just criticize things?

It seems like a miserable existence.
Why do you perceive explaining to osv2 what he clearly missed in Mark Galers video as being negative ?
I guess because most people don’t really care that much. The origin of the whole debate is pointless and the fact he felt the need to even say anything kind of points out the absurdity of TP’s relentless criticisms.

If that’s your cup of tea, more power to you I guess!


So correcting what are clearly incorrect claims or at the very least is a complete misunderstanding is considered relentless criticism ?

However making incorrect claims or perpetuating misunderstandings (as long as they are perceived as positive claims about the Sony gear) is no problem and you don't feel any need to correct those incorrect claims or misunderstandings - 'because people don't really care that much'.

Now that seems completely at odds with your perception of "relentless criticisms" - which clearly implies care of some sort.

And you are right I am not TP - I know it is hard to believe there could be more than one - however I suspect most wanting objective facts have long since departed this forum to look elsewhere.

Mar 01, 2021 at 06:58 PM
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p.44 #4A1 Reviews/Video thread
I think they are not the same person because they have vastly different writing styles.

I don’t think either one of them is a bad person, I think they’re both pretty cynical and I’m not convinced TP doesn’t have ulterior motives.
Mar 01, 2021 at 07:01 PM
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p.44 #5A1 Reviews/Video thread
duncang wrote:
ShootPDX wrote
duncang wrote
ShootPDX wrote
duncang wrote
TopPixel wroteThank you for your service but I suspect @osv2@@@@@@ is just trying to troll me. Surely he can't be that ignorant of what Mark Galer said?
I have to assume folks are just not paying attention and miss some of the detail in these videos and as a result are genuinely unaware of their ignorance - or perhaps just suffer from selective myopia.

Either way there may be other 3rd parties reading this who don't have the backstory - so it's always helpful to point out the specific facts and let them draw their own conclusions.
I think a lot of us just have reasonable expectations, and assume some of this stuff will be addressed in FW updates. Why you and TopPixel are so negative is beyond me.

You both get pretty beat up here, and you at DPR, duncang. TP claims he’s so vocal so that new photographers don’t buy the a1 on the basis they can get perfect screen grabs from an 8k, video, but why be so concerned with others? Do you guys go around the internet and just criticize things?

It seems like a miserable existence.
Why do you perceive explaining to osv2 what he clearly missed in Mark Galers video as being negative ?
I guess because most people don’t really care that much. The origin of the whole debate is pointless and the fact he felt the need to even say anything kind of points out the absurdity of TP’s relentless criticisms.

If that’s your cup of tea, more power to you I guess!
So correcting what are clearly incorrect claims or at the very least is a complete misunderstanding is considered relentless criticism ?

However making incorrect claims or perpetuating misunderstandings (as long as they are perceived as positive claims about the Sony gear) is no problem and you don't feel any need to correct those incorrect claims or misunderstandings - 'because people don't really care that much'.

Now that seems completely at odds with your perception of "relentless criticisms" - which clearly implies care of some sort.

And you are right I am not TP - I know it is hard to believe
...Show more →

😂

Relentless criticism = TP’s routine critical posts (some of which were removed)
Relentless criticism = your posts here and on DPR (where you’ve been called out by just about everyone in the thread)

I like objective facts, but what’s the point in crying over every small detail? If you feel “most wanting subjective facts have long left this forum” why are you still here?

Anywho, best of luck being unhappy.
Mar 01, 2021 at 07:05 PM
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p.44 #6A1 Reviews/Video thread
ShootPDX wrote:
duncang wrote
ShootPDX wrote
duncang wrote
ShootPDX wrote
duncang wroteI have to assume folks are just not paying attention and miss some of the detail in these videos and as a result are genuinely unaware of their ignorance - or perhaps just suffer from selective myopia.

Either way there may be other 3rd parties reading this who don't have the backstory - so it's always helpful to point out the specific facts and let them draw their own conclusions.
I think a lot of us just have reasonable expectations, and assume some of this stuff will be addressed in FW updates. Why you and TopPixel are so negative is beyond me.

You both get pretty beat up here, and you at DPR, duncang. TP claims he’s so vocal so that new photographers don’t buy the a1 on the basis they can get perfect screen grabs from an 8k, video, but why be so concerned with others? Do you guys go around the internet and just criticize things?

It seems like a miserable existence.
Why do you perceive explaining to osv2 what he clearly missed in Mark Galers video as being negative ?
I guess because most people don’t really care that much. The origin of the whole debate is pointless and the fact he felt the need to even say anything kind of points out the absurdity of TP’s relentless criticisms.

If that’s your cup of tea, more power to you I guess!
So correcting what are clearly incorrect claims or at the very least is a complete misunderstanding is considered relentless criticism ?

However making incorrect claims or perpetuating misunderstandings (as long as they are perceived as positive claims about the Sony gear) is no problem and you don't feel any need to correct those incorrect claims or misunderstandings - 'because people don't really care that much'.

Now that seems completely at odds with your perception of "relentless criticisms" - which clearly implies care of some sort.

And you are right I am not TP - I know it is hard to believe there could be more than one - however I suspect most wanting objective facts have long since departed this forum to look elsewhere.
😂

Relentless criticism = TP’s routine critical posts (some of which were removed)
Relentless criticism = your posts here and on DPR (where you’ve been called out by just about everyone in the thread)

I like objective facts, but what’s the point in crying over every small detail? If you feel “most wanting subjective facts have long left this forum” why are you still here?

Anywho, best of luck being unhappy.


FredMiranda Sony forum - the happy place for 'subjective facts' and Anywhos.

And don't expect accurate quotes...
Mar 01, 2021 at 07:29 PM
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p.44 #7A1 Reviews/Video thread
duncang wrote:
And you are right I am not TP - I know it is hard to believe there could be more than one - however I suspect most wanting objective facts have long since departed this forum to look elsewhere.




Do you also deny knowing TP prior to coming here to FM?

If you did know him previously did you join FM with the intent to support him?
Mar 01, 2021 at 07:32 PM
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p.44 #8A1 Reviews/Video thread
duncang wrote:
ShootPDX wrote
duncang wrote
ShootPDX wrote
duncang wrote
ShootPDX wroteI think a lot of us just have reasonable expectations, and assume some of this stuff will be addressed in FW updates. Why you and TopPixel are so negative is beyond me.

You both get pretty beat up here, and you at DPR, duncang. TP claims he’s so vocal so that new photographers don’t buy the a1 on the basis they can get perfect screen grabs from an 8k, video, but why be so concerned with others? Do you guys go around the internet and just criticize things?

It seems like a miserable existence.
Why do you perceive explaining to osv2 what he clearly missed in Mark Galers video as being negative ?
I guess because most people don’t really care that much. The origin of the whole debate is pointless and the fact he felt the need to even say anything kind of points out the absurdity of TP’s relentless criticisms.

If that’s your cup of tea, more power to you I guess!
So correcting what are clearly incorrect claims or at the very least is a complete misunderstanding is considered relentless criticism ?

However making incorrect claims or perpetuating misunderstandings (as long as they are perceived as positive claims about the Sony gear) is no problem and you don't feel any need to correct those incorrect claims or misunderstandings - 'because people don't really care that much'.

Now that seems completely at odds with your perception of "relentless criticisms" - which clearly implies care of some sort.

And you are right I am not TP - I know it is hard to believe there could be more than one - however I suspect most wanting objective facts have long since departed this forum to look elsewhere.
😂

Relentless criticism = TP’s routine critical posts (some of which were removed)
Relentless criticism = your posts here and on DPR (where you’ve been called out by just about everyone in the thread)

I like objective facts, but what’s the point in crying over every small detail? If you feel “most wanting subjective facts have long left this forum” why are you still here?

Anywho, best of luck being unhappy.
FredMiranda Sony forum - the happy place for 'subjective facts' and Anywhos.

And don't expect accurate quotes...



Why is being happy a bad thing? Man, you’re more pessimistic than I thought.
Mar 01, 2021 at 07:32 PM
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p.44 #9A1 Reviews/Video thread
Duncang spams the Sony topics on dpreview. Just noticed him in the past few weeks and now he is here too. It is like an obsession for them.
Mar 01, 2021 at 07:34 PM
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Guys like thes are why many of us keep our participation to a minimum over on DPReview. Disgusting trolls, now infesting FM for a while only I hope.
Mar 01, 2021 at 08:15 PM
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p.44 #11A1 Reviews/Video thread
ShootPDX wrote:
TopPixel wrote
osv2 wrote
arbitrage wroteAll I'm trying to do is clarify the terminology. Wide AF (non-tracking version) does continuous AF. And as I said, that could be considered tracking because it does track a subject across the frame. So I was agreeing with your argument.
understood that from the beginning, i'm pointing out that the toppixel troll claimed that sony couldn't track at 30fps, which was wrong: "Mark Galer explicitly details why the Alpha 1 can only do 26.6 fps with a tracking AF"

the a1 tracked at 30fps in wide area mode for mark galer.

so this isn't about what mark galer said per se, it's about the lies that toppixel keeps posting.

arbitrage wroteI think we need to drop the "Lock-on" terminology as that does not exist in the A9II, A7RIV, A7SIII, A7C, A9 (FW 5.0) nor A1. That is ancient A7III/RIII stuff. The Real-Time Tracking replaced that in the menus, created the new icon (square with vertical lines left and right), greatly improved the algorithms and is now what most of us refer to as Tracking. Because this is what Sony calls Tracking in the camera and in the user manuals/help guides.
that's a good point, the a7ii had "lock-on" back in 2015.

in the link i posted earlier, sony refers to both "lock-on" and "tracking" rather interchangeably, because that link attempts to cover all camera models:

"The Lock-on AF and Tracking features of your camera can keep a subject in focus as it moves across the frame" https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00081258

point is, there is absolutely no denying that the a1 wide area focus mode has 30fps tracking capability, contrary to what the toppixel troll claimed.
Let me try to frame this in a way you can understand. Regular Flexible Spot vs Tracking Flexible Spot. The Alpha 1 will track at 26.6 fps with Tracking Flexible Spot. The Alpha 1 will not track with regular Flexible Spot but can do 30 fps. See the difference? Without the real time tracking, the AF modes are a lot less useful for sports or in difficult light.
You're wrong. You’re making a sweeping assumption based on how you might use the camera.

I’m beginning to see why you don’t want to associate your real name with the nonsense you post here. I wouldn’t either. Then again, I don’t post drivel.


He doesn't know what he is talking about.
I am in flex spot 99% of my time without using RTT at weddings even in difficult light. Works great. RTT is not needed most of the time. Of course we could argue about his meaning of "useful", but people like him use vague expressions in order to change the goal posts later.

Same with his
"only do 26.6 fps with a tracking AF" - where now it is obviously clear that many have different opinions/definitions of what "a" tracking AF is. And it is not even clear that this is the maximum. It is a data point and many more will come to get us a clearer picture.
Mar 02, 2021 at 01:39 AM
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p.44 #12A1 Reviews/Video thread
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Bill Claff has posted the full Sony A1 dynamic range and read noise charts at Photons to Photos. I immediately took a look at the A1 vs. A7R3 as can be seen here:

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-7RM3

I think most shooters will be satisfied, at base ISO there nearly a half stop advantage over the A9II and only 1/3 stop deficit vs. the A7R3. As the ISO rises to 640 and above the cameras all equal out.

Interestingly, Bill notes that the dual gain conversion happens at ISO 500 for the A1 vs. ISO 640 for the A7R3/A7III/A9II.

For read noise, there isn't a consistent trend, but
...Show more →

Great performance given the stacked sensor, when looking how things improved from A9, A9ii to A1 (even without NR at low iso ;-)).

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%20R5,Canon%20EOS%20R5(ES),Canon%20EOS%20R5(HS),Sony%20ILCE-1
Mar 02, 2021 at 01:43 AM
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p.44 #13A1 Reviews/Video thread
ketang wrote:
Bill Claff has posted the full Sony A1 dynamic range and read noise charts at Photons to Photos. I immediately took a look at the A1 vs. A7R3 as can be seen here:

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-7RM3

I think most shooters will be satisfied, at base ISO there nearly a half stop advantage over the A9II and only 1/3 stop deficit vs. the A7R3. As the ISO rises to 640 and above the cameras all equal out.

Interestingly, Bill notes that the dual gain conversion happens at ISO 500 for the A1 vs. ISO 640 for the A7R3/A7III/A9II.

For read noise, there isn't a consistent trend, but
...Show more →

I'm very pleased with that performance. Interestingly it also aligns with what my eye test sees on the dpreview sample shots at ISO 100 (using a beta RAW converter). The A7r III is ever so slightly better when pushes 5-6 stops, but we are really splitting hair. You need to know when good enough is good enough and the A1 is.

The dual gain conversion point is interesting, there is quite a difference between ISO 400 to ISO 500. Maybe a good idea to set min ISO to 500 when you need fast shutter speeds.

Bill just confirmed that these values was done with mechanical shutter and that he will try and get electronic shutter added later on. If you look at A9 II there should be no material difference, but we don't know for sure yet.
Mar 02, 2021 at 02:35 AM
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Holger wrote:
ShootPDX wrote
TopPixel wrote
osv2 wrote
arbitrage wroteAll I'm trying to do is clarify the terminology. Wide AF (non-tracking version) does continuous AF. And as I said, that could be considered tracking because it does track a subject across the frame. So I was agreeing with your argument.
understood that from the beginning, i'm pointing out that the toppixel troll claimed that sony couldn't track at 30fps, which was wrong: "Mark Galer explicitly details why the Alpha 1 can only do 26.6 fps with a tracking AF"

the a1 tracked at 30fps in wide area mode for mark galer.

so this isn't about what mark galer said per se, it's about the lies that toppixel keeps posting.

arbitrage wroteI think we need to drop the "Lock-on" terminology as that does not exist in the A9II, A7RIV, A7SIII, A7C, A9 (FW 5.0) nor A1. That is ancient A7III/RIII stuff. The Real-Time Tracking replaced that in the menus, created the new icon (square with vertical lines left and right), greatly improved the algorithms and is now what most of us refer to as Tracking. Because this is what Sony calls Tracking in the camera and in the user manuals/help guides.
that's a good point, the a7ii had "lock-on" back in 2015.

in the link i posted earlier, sony refers to both "lock-on" and "tracking" rather interchangeably, because that link attempts to cover all camera models:

"The Lock-on AF and Tracking features of your camera can keep a subject in focus as it moves across the frame" https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00081258

point is, there is absolutely no denying that the a1 wide area focus mode has 30fps tracking capability, contrary to what the toppixel troll claimed.
Let me try to frame this in a way you can understand. Regular Flexible Spot vs Tracking Flexible Spot. The Alpha 1 will track at 26.6 fps with Tracking Flexible Spot. The Alpha 1 will not track with regular Flexible Spot but can do 30 fps. See the difference? Without the real time tracking, the AF modes are a lot less useful for sports or in difficult light.
You're wrong. You’re making a sweeping assumption based on how you might use the camera.

I’m beginning to see why you don’t want to associate your real name with the nonsense you post here. I wouldn’t either. Then again, I don’t post drivel.
He doesn't know what he is talking about.
I am in flex spot 99% of my time without using RTT at weddings even in difficult light. Works great. RTT is not needed most of the time. Of course we could argue about his meaning of "useful", but people like him use vague expressions in order to change the goal posts later.

Same with his
"only do 26.6 fps with a tracking AF" - where now it is obviously clear that many have different opinions/definitions of what "a" tracking AF is. And it is not even clear that this is the maximum.
...Show more →

Should we all ignore the trolls? If nobody replies they will probably lose interest and leave us in peace 😉
Mar 02, 2021 at 02:51 AM
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p.44 #15A1 Reviews/Video thread
First impressions
Feels very solid with a satisfying heft - a bit like a lump hammer I'm sure you could knock nails in with it
Just exploring menus now. Viewfinder has zoom out feature -not sure of use case for that yet
BEAF -amazing It can focus on a magpies eye (black eye in black head) from 20m and will focus on a blue tit eyes from about 18m -even when I can't see bird's eye myself
Colours are richer and of course more fine detail compared to A9
Very impressed so far and lots to learn to get the most out of it
Mar 02, 2021 at 06:58 AM
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UKBob wrote:
First impressions
Feels very solid with a satisfying heft - a bit like a lump hammer I'm sure you could knock nails in with it
Just exploring menus now. Viewfinder has zoom out feature -not sure of use case for that yet
BEAF -amazing It can focus on a magpies eye (black eye in black head) from 20m and will focus on a blue tit eyes from about 18m -even when I can't see bird's eye myself
Colours are richer and of course more fine detail compared to A9
Very impressed so far and lots to learn to get the most
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We don't believe you without pictures . Kidding

Congrats!

Pictures please. Birds with BEAF, Animals with AEAF.... High ISO RAW files from outdoor, daylight would be really appreciated.


Do you have comparison to A9 show colors (colours ).

Mar 02, 2021 at 07:05 AM
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UKBob wrote:
First impressions
Feels very solid with a satisfying heft - a bit like a lump hammer I'm sure you could knock nails in with it
Just exploring menus now. Viewfinder has zoom out feature -not sure of use case for that yet
BEAF -amazing It can focus on a magpies eye (black eye in black head) from 20m and will focus on a blue tit eyes from about 18m -even when I can't see bird's eye myself
Colours are richer and of course more fine detail compared to A9
Very impressed so far and lots to learn to get the most
...Show more →

Could you tell us with what lenses have you tested it so far?

We are also desperate to know the keeper rate of a long burst on a moving subject! And how would you compare this with a9 on a similar scenario.

Mar 02, 2021 at 07:12 AM
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UKBob wrote:
First impressions
Feels very solid with a satisfying heft - a bit like a lump hammer I'm sure you could knock nails in with it
Just exploring menus now. Viewfinder has zoom out feature -not sure of use case for that yet
BEAF -amazing It can focus on a magpies eye (black eye in black head) from 20m and will focus on a blue tit eyes from about 18m -even when I can't see bird's eye myself
Colours are richer and of course more fine detail compared to A9
Very impressed so far and lots to learn to get the most
...Show more →

Can't wait to hear more of your impressions. I do a little bit of everything (product & food photography, fashion, portrait, wildlife/BIF) and preordered right away. I'm still wondering if I would be better off with the GFX 100S for everything other than wildlife/BIF. The color science and overall look of the files will ultimately make that decision for me. I had the Leica SL2/SL2-S and loved the images but hated the autofocus. I know the Fuji will be better than the Leica but still nowhere near the a1 (or any other alpha).

Mar 02, 2021 at 07:22 AM
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UKBob wrote:
First impressions
Feels very solid with a satisfying heft - a bit like a lump hammer I'm sure you could knock nails in with it
Just exploring menus now. Viewfinder has zoom out feature -not sure of use case for that yet
BEAF -amazing It can focus on a magpies eye (black eye in black head) from 20m and will focus on a blue tit eyes from about 18m -even when I can't see bird's eye myself
Colours are richer and of course more fine detail compared to A9
Very impressed so far and lots to learn to get the most
...Show more →

Zoom-Out is for eye glass wearers so they can see the whole screen while still wearing their glasses.
Mar 02, 2021 at 07:29 AM
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