arbitrage wrote:
All I'm trying to do is clarify the terminology. Wide AF (non-tracking version) does continuous AF. And as I said, that could be considered tracking because it does track a subject across the frame. So I was agreeing with your argument.
understood that from the beginning, i'm pointing out that the toppixel troll claimed that sony couldn't track at 30fps, which was wrong: "Mark Galer explicitly details why the Alpha 1 can only do 26.6 fps with a tracking AF"
the a1 tracked at 30fps in wide area mode for mark galer.
so this isn't about what mark galer said per se, it's about the lies that toppixel keeps posting.
arbitrage wrote:
I think we need to drop the "Lock-on" terminology as that does not exist in the A9II, A7RIV, A7SIII, A7C, A9 (FW 5.0) nor A1. That is ancient A7III/RIII stuff. The Real-Time Tracking replaced that in the menus, created the new icon (square with vertical lines left and right), greatly improved the algorithms and is now what most of us refer to as Tracking. Because this is what Sony calls Tracking in the camera and in the user manuals/help guides.
that's a good point, the a7ii had "lock-on" back in 2015.
in the link i posted earlier, sony refers to both "lock-on" and "tracking" rather interchangeably, because that link attempts to cover all camera models:
Do we actually care though? We are just arguing with TopPixel at this point. Maybe we can start another 'Pissing contest with TopPixel' thread and leave this one for commentary on Kai W's innuendo jokes.
osv2 wrote:
understood that from the beginning, i'm pointing out that the toppixel troll claimed that sony couldn't track at 30fps, which was wrong: "Mark Galer explicitly details why the Alpha 1 can only do 26.6 fps with a tracking AF"
the a1 tracked at 30fps in wide area mode for mark galer.
so this isn't about what mark galer said per se, it's about the lies that toppixel keeps posting.
that's a good point, the a7ii had "lock-on" back in 2015.
in the link i posted earlier, sony refers to both "lock-on" and "tracking" rather interchangeably, because that link attempts to cover all camera models:
Let me try to frame this in a way you can understand. Regular Flexible Spot vs Tracking Flexible Spot. The Alpha 1 will track at 26.6 fps with Tracking Flexible Spot. The Alpha 1 will not track with regular Flexible Spot but can do 30 fps. See the difference? Without the real time tracking, the AF modes are a lot less useful for sports or in difficult light.
it's not clear to me why fred keeps the toppixel/duncang fake accounts around, it just drives the fm forum rep into the ground, and pollutes the google search function with lies about sony, which is what they wanted.
TopPixel wrote:
Thank you for your service but I suspect @osv2@ is just trying to troll me. Surely he can't be that ignorant of what Mark Galer said?
I have to assume folks are just not paying attention and miss some of the detail in these videos and as a result are genuinely unaware of their ignorance - or perhaps just suffer from selective myopia.
Either way there may be other 3rd parties reading this who don't have the backstory - so it's always helpful to point out the specific facts and let them draw their own conclusions.
buffalowolff wrote:
Do we actually care though? We are just arguing with TopPixel at this point.
That's the only reason he's here, trying to promote some loser anti-Sony agenda - and his obvious lack of facts (or any shred of credibility) doesn't seem to deter him. The only thing that surprises me is that Fred hasn't suspended or banned him again yet.
TopPixel wrote:
Let me try to frame this in a way you can understand. Regular Flexible Spot vs Tracking Flexible Spot. The Alpha 1 will track at 26.6 fps with Tracking Flexible Spot. The Alpha 1 will not track with regular Flexible Spot but can do 30 fps. See the difference? Without the real time tracking, the AF modes are a lot less useful for sports or in difficult light.
You're wrong. You’re making a sweeping assumption based on how you might use the camera.
I’m beginning to see why you don’t want to associate your real name with the nonsense you post here. I wouldn’t either. Then again, I don’t post drivel.
buffalowolff wrote:
Do we actually care though? We are just arguing with TopPixel at this point. Maybe we can start another 'Pissing contest with TopPixel' thread and leave this one for commentary on Kai W's innuendo jokes.
I put him in "hide me" the 3rd day after he signed up.
it's not clear to me why fred keeps the toppixel/duncang fake accounts around, it just drives the fm forum rep into the ground, and pollutes the google search function with lies about sony, which is what they wanted.
BTW if you are having trouble understanding exactly what Mark Galer did then here is a graphic from the A1 manual showing the focus area options he was using.
duncang wrote:
I have to assume folks are just not paying attention and miss some of the detail in these videos and as a result are genuinely unaware of their ignorance - or perhaps just suffer from selective myopia.
Either way there may be other 3rd parties reading this who don't have the backstory - so it's always helpful to point out the specific facts and let them draw their own conclusions.
I think a lot of us just have reasonable expectations, and assume some of this stuff will be addressed in FW updates. Why you and TopPixel are so negative is beyond me.
You both get pretty beat up here, and you at DPR, duncang. TP claims he’s so vocal so that new photographers don’t buy the a1 on the basis they can get perfect screen grabs from an 8k, video, but why be so concerned with others? Do you guys go around the internet and just criticize things?
arbitrage wrote:
All I'm trying to do is clarify the terminology. Wide AF (non-tracking version) does continuous AF. And as I said, that could be considered tracking because it does track a subject across the frame. So I was agreeing with your argument. Mark Galer only said he can't get 30FPS if in any of the Tracking AF modes (ie the bottom icon on the vertical AF mode list). What Sony calls Real-Time Tracking in their marketing (but never in camera nor in the user manual ).
I think we need to drop the "Lock-on" terminology as that does not exist in the A9II, A7RIV, A7SIII, A7C, A9 (FW 5.0) nor A1. That is ancient A7III/RIII stuff. The Real-Time Tracking replaced that in the menus, created the new icon (square with vertical lines left and right), greatly improved the algorithms and is now what most of us refer to as Tracking. Because this is what Sony calls Tracking in the camera and in the user manuals/help guides....Show more →
I think DPR described it quite well:
"So what is ‘Real-time tracking’? Simply now called ‘Tracking’, it’s Sony’s new subject tracking mode. Subject tracking allows you to indicate to your camera what your subject is, which you then trust it to track. Simply place your AF point over the subject, half-press the shutter to focus, and the camera will keep track of it no matter where it moves to in the frame - by automatically shifting the AF points as necessary."
Terminology is important. Tracking occurs, too, in wide without RTT engaged, but it is the camera deciding what the subject is. With RTT, now simply/loosely called tracking by some here, the user decides which suject to track. I would prefer calling it subject tracking (similar to Nikons 3D mode).
This doesn't make the claim you get 30 fps in wide with tracking wrong, or does anybody deny the camera is not doing any kind of tracking at all in that mode (albeit it is not RTT)?
ShootPDX wrote:
I think a lot of us just have reasonable expectations, and assume some of this stuff will be addressed in FW updates. Why you and TopPixel are so negative is beyond me.
You both get pretty beat up here, and you at DPR, duncang. TP claims he’s so vocal so that new photographers don’t buy the a1 on the basis they can get perfect screen grabs from an 8k, video, but why be so concerned with others? Do you guys go around the internet and just criticize things?
It seems like a miserable existence.
Why do you perceive explaining to osv2 what he clearly missed in Mark Galers video as being negative ?
duncang wrote:
Why do you perceive explaining to osv2 what he clearly missed in Mark Galers video as being negative ?
I guess because most people don’t really care that much. The origin of the whole debate is pointless and the fact he felt the need to even say anything kind of points out the absurdity of TP’s relentless criticisms.
If that’s your cup of tea, more power to you I guess!
Bill Claff has posted the full Sony A1 dynamic range and read noise charts at Photons to Photos. I immediately took a look at the A1 vs. A7R3 as can be seen here:
I think most shooters will be satisfied, at base ISO there nearly a half stop advantage over the A9II and only 1/3 stop deficit vs. the A7R3. As the ISO rises to 640 and above the cameras all equal out.
Interestingly, Bill notes that the dual gain conversion happens at ISO 500 for the A1 vs. ISO 640 for the A7R3/A7III/A9II.
For read noise, there isn't a consistent trend, but generally the A7R3 is better at the lower ISOs and the A9II is better at the high end. However, I don't know about about read noise ratings to say if any of the differences will be significant or visible in most shots.
duncang wrote:
Why do you perceive explaining to osv2 what he clearly missed in Mark Galers video as being negative ?
Interesting pattern developing. Duncang is a new member like TopPixel. Looking at his posts they are mostly, if not all him, chiming in to support ToPixel.
1bwana1 wrote:
Interesting pattern developing. Duncang is a new member like TopPixel. Looking at his posts they are mostly, if not all him, chiming in to support ToPixel.
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