1bwana1 wrote:
Sony has said that pre orders were multiples of what they expected. I am thinking this will be a high demand, low supply camera for a while.
Yes, apparently the biggest pro dealer here in Denmark have three times the pre-orders that they expected, another dealer told that they will get one (1!) per week. I now realize that I made a mistake thinking this was something I could pick up with just a little luck in April.
Stoffer wrote:
Yes, apparently the biggest pro dealer here in Denmark have three times the pre-orders that they expected, another dealer told that they will get one (1!) per week. I now realize that I made a mistake thinking this was something I could pick up with just a little luck in April.
I think it'll depend on the dealer. I called my dealer to see if they had any cancellations or non-allocated bodies and much to my surprise, I was able to grab one without issue; same March 9 delivery.
Unfortunate news about the delayed release date. I submitted my Pro Support documentation for the early dibs but even then, I'm not sure my store will abide by it. Sold my A9ii in Feb and with COVID loosening its grips in IL, I've been hired to shoot a bunch of college sports (indoors and out). RIV just isn't the move for this and the pushback hurts, lol.
TopPixel wrote:
No, you are wrong. Mark Galer explicitly shows he only got 26.6 fps with any lock on tracking AF mode. He only got 30 fps if he disabled lock on tracking and went regular wide area that just focused on whatever is closest. That wide area mode with no lock on tracking means 30 fps is not reliable enough for use in sports where you have multiple players and faces in view. Things like this you would only realize if you actually used an A9 to its full capabilities.
no you are wrong again as usual, because you don't know squat about sony tracking, much less shooting sports, and you are posting lies, as many people have already stated... you are a troll.
sony wide area mode has automatic lock-on tracking, it locks on and tracks just as well as the other tracking modes.
IllinoisWedges wrote:
Unfortunate news about the delayed release date. I submitted my Pro Support documentation for the early dibs but even then, I'm not sure my store will abide by it. Sold my A9ii in Feb and with COVID loosening its grips in IL, I've been hired to shoot a bunch of college sports (indoors and out). RIV just isn't the move for this and the pushback hurts, lol.
I made a post about this in the other thread but will add it here also. Dealers in Canada (and presumably the US) were given their allocations this past Friday so they know how many they are getting and they know how many (and to whom) SPS orders are in that shipment.
My dealers said "almost all" of his are to SPS (but not all).
So your dealer should know now if you are getting one next week.
osv2 wrote:
no you are wrong again as usual, because you don't know squat about sony tracking, much less shooting sports, and you are posting lies, as many people have already stated... you are a troll.
sony wide area mode has automatic lock-on tracking, it locks on and tracks just as well as the other tracking modes.
! You don't know the difference between regular wide area AF and lock on tracking? You should open up the AF menus for one time. I bet you didn't even watch Mark Galer's video.
osv2 wrote:
no you are wrong again as usual, because you don't know squat about sony tracking, much less shooting sports, and you are posting lies, as many people have already stated... you are a troll.
sony wide area mode has automatic lock-on tracking, it locks on and tracks just as well as the other tracking modes.
I think the confusion lies in what we are calling Tracking and what Sony is calling Tracking. Sony refers to tracking modes as the last item on the AF mode list. Sony calls this Real Time Tracking in product advertisement but on the actual camera and user manual it is referenced as "Tracking: Wide" or Tracking:Zone or Tracking:Flex Spot etc.
Now in the regular Wide mode (top of the AF list) the camera is "tracking" what it guesses is your intended subject but it isn't given any input from you like it would be with Tracking:Flex Spot where you target a specific subject/object in the frame.
Mark Galer is referring to Real Time Tracking mode where you get that green square and a vertical line on either side once it starts tracking something. In that mode he could only get 26.6FPS.
But of course one can use regular Wide or Zone and the dots will dance and track the subject.
Of note Galer says in many of his AF videos that Sony's algorithms are set to prioritize subjects in the center of the frame and closer to the camera when in Wide or Zone mode. I've certainly noticed this over the years. Especially the center of the frame prioritization as if I place my bird dead center and use Wide it will usually find it even with all sorts of distractions around it. I'm not overly convinced about the closest to the camera prioritization...at least it is not as obvious as how Nikon DSLRs prioritize closest subject in Group or Auto modes.
Bottom line...yes you can get to 30FPS in a mode like Wide or Zone which will track the subject. But not in the newer Real-Time Tracking modes.
Testing the Electronic Shutter Flash and Buffer at 30FPS on the Sony A1 using Rotolight Flash
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TopPixel wrote: ! You don't know the difference between regular wide area AF and lock on tracking? You should open up the AF menus for one time. I bet you didn't even watch Mark Galer's video.
! congrats on proving that you don't even know what wide area mode is.
but we knew that already, you are a troll and a liar who doesn't own sony, and you've obviously never shot sports... you don't have a website, no flickr, no instagram, no facebook, you've never posted pics out here.
sony wide area mode most certainly does have lock-on tracking capability, contrary to the lies that you posted:
"Set the Focus Area to Lock-on AF
This procedure applies to photo modes only.
Set Focus Mode to Continuous AF (AF-C).
Select appropriate Focus Area depending on the subject, background, and shooting situation.
If you encounter a moving subject against a simple background, select Lock-on AF: Wide" https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00081258
osv2 wrote: ! congrats on proving that you don't even know what wide area mode is.
but we knew that already, you are a troll and a liar who doesn't own sony, and you've obviously never shot sports... you don't have a website, no flickr, no instagram, no facebook, you've never posted pics out here.
sony wide area mode most certainly does have lock-on tracking capability, contrary to the lies that you posted:
"Set the Focus Area to Lock-on AF
This procedure applies to photo modes only.
Set Focus Mode to Continuous AF (AF-C).
Select appropriate Focus Area depending on the subject, background, and shooting situation.
If you encounter a moving subject against a simple background, select Lock-on AF: Wide" https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00081258...Show more →
Arbitrage just above you wrote the same thing I wrote about regular wide AF vs lock on tracking. I think you should have humble pie on your face:
arbitrage wrote:
I think the confusion lies in what we are calling Tracking and what Sony is calling Tracking. Sony refers to tracking modes as the last item on the AF mode list. Sony calls this Real Time Tracking in product advertisement but on the actual camera and user manual it is referenced as "Tracking: Wide" or Tracking:Zone or Tracking:Flex Spot etc.
Now in the regular Wide mode (top of the AF list) the camera is "tracking" what it guesses is your intended subject but it isn't given any input from you like it would be with Tracking:Flex Spot where you target a specific subject/object in the frame.
Mark Galer is referring to Real Time Tracking mode where you get that green square and a vertical line on either side once it starts tracking something. In that mode he could only get 26.6FPS.
But of course one can use regular Wide or Zone and the dots will dance and track the subject.
Of note Galer says in many of his AF videos that Sony's algorithms are set to prioritize subjects in the center of the frame and closer to the camera when in Wide or Zone mode. I've certainly noticed this over the years. Especially the center of the frame prioritization as if I place my bird dead center and use Wide it will usually find it even with all sorts of distractions around it. I'm not overly convinced about the closest to the camera prioritization...at least it is not as obvious as how Nikon DSLRs prioritize closest subject in Group or Auto modes.
Bottom line...yes you can get to 30FPS in a mode like Wide or Zone which will track the subject. But not in the newer Real-Time Tracking modes....Show more →
arbitrage wrote:
I think the confusion lies in what we are calling Tracking and what Sony is calling Tracking.
no offense, but you are confused about what's being discussed... the top pixel troll posted: "Mark Galer explicitly details why the Alpha 1 can only do 26.6 fps with a tracking AF"
he claimed that sony can't track at 30fps, that is wrong, as i detailed in the post above, from the sony manual.
wide area mode locks-on and tracks just as well as any other tracking mode, and mark galer got 30fps tracking with wide area mode.
TopPixel wrote:
Arbitrage just above you wrote the same thing I wrote about regular wide AF vs lock on tracking. I think you should have humble pie on your face:
sony just told you that there is a lock-on wide area mode: "select Lock-on AF: Wide"
so you are wrong again, lol
you don't own sony, you don't know anything about sony.
osv2 wrote:
sony just told you that there is a lock-on wide area mode: "select Lock-on AF: Wide"
so you are wrong again, lol
you don't own sony, you don't know anything about sony.
@Arbitrage and I keep telling you that there is a regular wide AF with no lock on tracking in addition to the lock on tracking wide AF. It's not rocket science! One of them does 30 fps and the other does 26.6 fps. Lock on tracking means that it keeps on the initial target even if spins around or more than one person is in view. No lock on tracking means it just focuses on whatever is closest or emphasize the target in the center. One takes more CPU power, the other is a dumb mode that exists on other cameras. One of them is usable for sports where there are multiple players in a scene, the other will be unreliable. Sheesh!
osv2 wrote:
no offense, but you are confused about what's being discussed... the top pixel troll posted: "Mark Galer explicitly details why the Alpha 1 can only do 26.6 fps with a tracking AF"
he claimed that sony can't track at 30fps, that is wrong, as i detailed in the post above, from the sony manual.
wide area mode locks-on and tracks just as well as any other tracking mode, and mark galer got 30fps tracking with wide area mode.
All I'm trying to do is clarify the terminology. Wide AF (non-tracking version) does continuous AF. And as I said, that could be considered tracking because it does track a subject across the frame. So I was agreeing with your argument. Mark Galer only said he can't get 30FPS if in any of the Tracking AF modes (ie the bottom icon on the vertical AF mode list). What Sony calls Real-Time Tracking in their marketing (but never in camera nor in the user manual ).
I think we need to drop the "Lock-on" terminology as that does not exist in the A9II, A7RIV, A7SIII, A7C, A9 (FW 5.0) nor A1. That is ancient A7III/RIII stuff. The Real-Time Tracking replaced that in the menus, created the new icon (square with vertical lines left and right), greatly improved the algorithms and is now what most of us refer to as Tracking. Because this is what Sony calls Tracking in the camera and in the user manuals/help guides.
TopPixel wrote:
@Arbitrage@ and I keep telling you that there is a regular wide AF with no lock on tracking in addition to the lock on tracking wide AF.
no, your exact words that started this were:
"Mark Galer explicitly details why the Alpha 1 can only do 26.6 fps with a tracking AF"
you didn't even know that wide area mode had tracking capability, until i posted the sony manual link, lol
TopPixel wrote:
It's not rocket science! One of them does 30 fps and the other does 26.6 fps.
oh? where exactly did mark galer test wide area mode with tracking turned off, and got 26.6 fps? post the specific timecode that's in his video.
osv2 wrote:
no offense, but you are confused about what's being discussed... the top pixel troll posted: "Mark Galer explicitly details why the Alpha 1 can only do 26.6 fps with a tracking AF"
he claimed that sony can't track at 30fps, that is wrong, as i detailed in the post above, from the sony manual.
wide area mode locks-on and tracks just as well as any other tracking mode, and mark galer got 30fps tracking with wide area mode.
Listen carefully on Mark Galers video at 29:40 and I will quote Mark here "so here is the 30fps, this time 240 frames and um it's an 8 second burst and if you do the maths it's 30 fps, now what I have done is I have come out of tracking and just gone into AF-C Wide..."
duncang wrote:
Listen carefully on Mark Galers video at 29:40 and I will quote Mark here "so here is the 30fps, this time 240 frames and um it's an 8 second burst and if you do the maths it's 30 fps, now what I have done is I have come out of tracking and just gone into AF-C Wide..."
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Thank you for your service but I suspect @osv2 is just trying to troll me. Surely he can't be that ignorant of what Mark Galer said?
! You don't know the difference between regular wide area AF and lock on tracking? You should open up the AF menus for one time. I bet you didn't even watch Mark Galer's video.
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