p.81 #2 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
@Jonas B
Wow, at f/2 there's little difference to see. It seems that the most significant difference is that the GM can go to f/1.4 whereas that SY can't. I wonder how the inexpensive SY 35/1.4 compares to the 35/1.4 GM.
p.81 #3 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
j4nu wrote:
Someone who walks into this thread from the outside is gonna have some serious questions about kind of photography we are doing around here (twigs!) .
"So....you guys take pictures of tree trunks? "
"actually...we take pictures of the blurry twigs in the back. don't pay attention to the parts in focus"
lol real talk I find these bokeh tests useful. Better to spot the flaws in the OOF rendering in tests than to encounter nasty OOF elements in a photo that actually matters.
To me when it comes to bokeh and real world shooting, if a lens renders as it should, I don't think twice about the bokeh in my shots. But when something nasty happens, I can't unsee it and it becomes distracting.
p.81 #4 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Mystik wrote:
"So....you guys take pictures of tree trunks? "
"actually...we take pictures of the blurry twigs in the back. don't pay attention to the parts in focus"
lol real talk I find these bokeh tests useful. Better to spot the flaws in the OOF rendering in tests than to encounter nasty OOF elements in a photo that actually matters.
To me when it comes to bokeh and real world shooting, if a lens renders as it should, I don't think twice about the bokeh in my shots. But when something nasty happens, I can't unsee it and it becomes distracting.
Completely agree, I was only joking . I am guilty of taking numerous pictures of various boring objects just to observe how the focus and light fades away...
@Jonas B@'s test is very informative as I expected a smooth win for the GM. Either the conditions are very tough and in a way equalize the participants, or Sigma 35i would fare better than the GM here (as it seems to be nicer bokeh-wise than the SY).
p.81 #5 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I ordered SY 35/1.4 today. It will pair nice with my (beloved) SY 85/1.4. I love the minimalist design. I was always looking at that lens but never bought it.
Seeing the images, i will be honest, i like SY images better.
This will allow me to push GM purchase fir some time. If the SY is as good as the 85, i will be glad. 85 has a lot of character and i hope 35 has that look as well.
p.81 #6 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
nandadevieast wrote:
I ordered SY 35/1.4 today. It will pair nice with my (beloved) SY 85/1.4. I love the minimalist design. I was always looking at that lens but never bought it.
Seeing the images, i will be honest, i like SY images better.
This will allow me to push GM purchase fir some time. If the SY is as good as the 85, i will be glad. 85 has a lot of character and i hope 35 has that look as well.
100 grams more (:
Keep in mind the images above are of the Samyang 35mm 1.8 at f/2 - not the 1.4. I believe it is the community's view that the SY35mm1.8 has better optics at f/1.8 and above than the SY35mm1.4, as well as much better AF. Just wanted to point that out to avoid anyone seeing it and getting confused as to which is which.
p.81 #7 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Jonas B wrote:
Assorted twigs revisited
The Sony 35/1.4 GM vs Samyang 35/1.8
Jonas thanks for the time and effort to do the comparison. I'm fairly pretty impressed with how well the GM handled the green LoCA in these shots compared to the SY. The visible purple LoCA in DPReview's water shots were concerning, but I think this shows just how well it can handle LoCA comparatively. Do you have images from this shoot that could show the comparison of LoCA in front of the focus point?
p.81 #8 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Hi Jaron (?),
I'm sorry for not getting back earlier - I have had about ten minutes of computer time today. I'll see what I can do tomorrow, perhaps move the cropped area in the images focused at 2.5 meters.
There might be other images in the test album as well. It is getting larger as I have a hard time deciding about the 35GM. Keep or not?
p.81 #9 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
j4nu wrote: Someone who walks into this thread from the outside is gonna have some serious questions about kind of photography we are doing around here (twigs!) .
Mystik wrote: "So....you guys take pictures of tree trunks? "
"actually...we take pictures of the blurry twigs in the back. don't pay attention to the parts in focus"
(...)
:-)
Yup... so it is.
A neighbour of mine happened to pass by while I tried to hang into the hedge switching lenses. She asked if I do a lot of photography.
- Yes, well, in periods at least, yes I take a lot of images.
a few seconds of silence and then:
- What period is this?
Tomorrow some LoCA - compared. But images... I don't know about that.
p.81 #11 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
DaveFP wrote:
I'm a little surprised at some of those 1.4 out-of-focus areas.
They look a little high in contrast/structure for my taste.
Somewhat similar to the 1.8.
Hope it is the processing.
I’m finding this to be the case with this lens in certain scenarios, maybe I haven’t seen it quite as busy as these just yet.. Subject/focus within 2 meters, you are fine and everything looks great regardless of background. Subject is just beyond that, you are wide open, bright busy contrasty background that falls within about another 1-2 meters past the subject, you start getting some unwanted detail in the out of focus areas.
If subject is further back, looks ok. If OOF elements are further behind the subject, looks ok.
Most of the time, I really have to look to find it. It isn’t apparent right away like in some of these photos. So I’m not sure if processing added to it or not in this case.
It’s still, overall, way, way, way better than the FE35. I see it has some flaws, and will be interested to know how it stacks up in the same scenarios to the 1.2 sigma and the 35i sigma. Without that comparison in the same scene, it’s hard to know if it is the lens or the conditions/processing.
p.81 #12 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Same opinion.
While resolving power, weight and price are convincing me, I cannot say the same for rendering and bokeh. I sold the Bigma because of weight but I’m not sure I did the right thing. Hope to see soon direct comparison between this one, Bigma and Sigma 2.0.
p.81 #14 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Havent had the chance to process the photos from the last few days with the 35GM but heres one from Friday. Didnt turn out the way my minds eye seen it and could have done with more DOF but here it is anyway
(Edited so dont look too much into the rendering of the background)
p.81 #15 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Jonas B wrote: Assorted twigs revisited
The Sony 35/1.4 GM vs Samyang 35/1.8
photosbyjaron wrote: Jonas thanks for the time and effort to do the comparison. I'm fairly pretty impressed with how well the GM handled the green LoCA in these shots compared to the SY. The visible purple LoCA in DPReview's water shots were concerning, but I think this shows just how well it can handle LoCA comparatively. Do you have images from this shoot that could show the comparison of LoCA in front of the focus point?
All the images, there are more of the same as in my earlier post, but with more samples checking different aperture openings, are available in raw format here.
I'll try to post some other samples showing some LoCA later today.
p.81 #16 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
From what I am seeing so far, I am not in love with the GM 35. It's not bad either--seems like a pretty well behaved lens with a generally neutral rendering, nothing that special rendering wise. I am not seeing a notable fingerprint. It doesn't really stand out the way the ZM 35/1.4, CY 35/1.4 or RX1 or GM 24 or even ZA 35/1.4 has, at least for me. Not that those lenses are perfect by any means, but the images do have certain distinct qualities.
The 35i is a very well balanced lens--it can be a bit bland, but overall it's quite lovely. I will get my fingers on the GM 35 still, but I am not seeing anything that really wows me. Quick AF speed is always welcome, and so is smaller size. Sharpness and off-center sharpness WO isn't much of a selling point for me in 2021. Even consumer grade lenses like the FE 35/1.8, Samy 35/1.8 or Sigma 35i are sharper enough for all practical purposes IMO even WO across nearly the whole frame. I don't count pixel peeping at infinite a practical purpose
Still curious to try one and open minded--I never judge a lens fully till I try it myself.
p.81 #17 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
It's the best 35 I have used personally and I like it a lot more than the 35i from Sigma. I don't tend to notice how an individual lens renders, unless it has particularly ugly bokeh. I really missed my days with the D750/D810 and the Sigma 35 f/1.4 ART and this sort of beckons back to that for me, except the IQ is even better while shedding 400 grams.
Compared to my 35i Sigma I think it's a nicer looking lens, nicer in the hand and f/1.4 gives a little bit of extra blur which definitely helps at a focal length that isn't amazing at blurring out the background to begin with. It can also get quite a bit closer than the Sigma while still being razor sharp, whereas the Sigma becomes soft wide open.
As an "investment" that should perform exceptionally on even higher megapixel cameras, I'm glad to have been able to pick one of them up. The only real downside is the vignetting but that is par for the course nowadays. If I don't use the hood with the Sony it's about the same size as the 35i with its hood, and since the Sony seems to do better vs. flare than the Sigma I might go hoodless to make the lens stick out a little less.
The other point of contention for me is that the Sigma isn't actually 35mm, it's a minor difference but I'd rather be further away from where my Tamron 17-28 maxes out at, not closer to it.
Now I just need to choose a longer lens and I'll have a perfect trio! I'm thinking the Sigma 65 f/2 or an 85 f/1.8.
p.81 #18 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
lukecookphoto wrote:
It's the best 35 I have used personally and I like it a lot more than the 35i from Sigma. I don't tend to notice how an individual lens renders, unless it has particularly ugly bokeh. I really missed my days with the D750/D810 and the Sigma 35 f/1.4 ART and this sort of beckons back to that for me, except the IQ is even better while shedding 400 grams.
Compared to my 35i Sigma I think it's a nicer looking lens, nicer in the hand and f/1.4 gives a little bit of extra blur which definitely helps at a focal length that isn't amazing at blurring out the background to begin with. It can also get quite a bit closer than the Sigma while still being razor sharp, whereas the Sigma becomes soft wide open.
As an "investment" that should perform exceptionally on even higher megapixel cameras, I'm glad to have been able to pick one of them up. The only real downside is the vignetting but that is par for the course nowadays. If I don't use the hood with the Sony it's about the same size as the 35i with its hood, and since the Sony seems to do better vs. flare than the Sigma I might go hoodless to make the lens stick out a little less.
Now I just need to choose a longer lens and I'll have a perfect trio! I'm thinking the Sigma 65 f/2 or an 85 f/1.8. ...Show more →
How do you feel about the size and handling of the Sony 35mm f1.4? Do you see any advantage to the smaller size of the Sigma 35mm I or not really?
p.81 #19 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
tzhang4284 wrote:
How do you feel about the size and handling of the Sony 35mm f1.4? Do you see any advantage to the smaller size of the Sigma 35mm I or not really?
I prefer the handling of the Sony to the Sigma but of course it is a bigger lens and heavier too, but I don't think the added weight makes any practical difference. The Sigma has a large hood and is average against flare, when using the hood it's the same size as the GM without.
So for me the size and weight differences between the Sigma and the Sony are sort of a non-issue, if size and weight is a concern I would get one of the 35 f/2.8 lenses instead!
And I know it's not important but I think the Sigma is a bit of an ugly lens especially without the hood on.
p.81 #20 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I was interested in the character difference between the Leica 35mm Summilux FLE and the 35 GM
sorry not on a tripod, just a quick snap with each.
both shot on the Sony A1, techart used.
I mostly notice a colour shift, the Leica seems to have a more cinematic/film-like natural colour grade (could just be it's combination with the A1) (or light change as Abadger commented)
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. I am guilty of taking numerous pictures of various boring objects just to observe how the focus and light fades away...
