p.8 #1 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Teo Ray wrote:
So if SAR is correct in saying that in terms of weight the 35 1.4 GM will be somewhere between the 35 1.4 ZA and the 24 GM, and not much heavier than the 24... how much more do y'all think we're talkin?
600g? 500g? under 500?
I mean, I thought under 600 was pushing it, but if we're talking to something closer to the 24... 480-520. Of course, SAR could be completely wrong.
p.8 #5 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Holger wrote:
Why? The GM is more expensive than the Sigma 85/1.4, the 135GM more expensive than the 135 Art and so on. Only because the Sigma is a 1.2, that doesn't mean it sets an upper limit, isn't it? I think 1599 to 1699 Euros is realistic.
Unfortunately I think your right. Makes you wonder if Sony really wants to sell lenses sometimes. I mean who is paying 1599.00 for a 5 year old Ziess 35mm in 2020?
Edit: I guess the same people buying the Rx1ii for 3200.00
p.8 #6 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Unfortunately I think your right. Makes you wonder if Sony really wants to sell lenses sometimes. I mean who is paying 1599.00 for a 5 year old Ziess 35mm in 2020?
Edit: I guess the same people buying the Rx1ii for 3200.00
The biggest problem with these forums is the total underestimated value of buying camera equipment. I personally produced 30 workshops for people just like this on a photo forum. Mostly medium format digital. The gear they showed up with made me look like a street rat. They would happily show up with 60 grand worth of gear and that's about 80 percent of them. I laugh every time some one mentions money on this forum. Photography is not my hobby golf is. You know how much my clubs cost. I can't say wife is close by. Rotflmao
Wish people give this money BS a rest. No one cares
p.8 #7 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I’ll have to see how big that RF 35 1.2 is before saying I prefer it over a GM 35 1.4. At some point it’s just not worth the size and weight for me. Especially when you consider the studies that indicate clients don’t really care about bokeh. The only real benefit for me would be mid-distance group shots or full-body portraits.
InFocus2014 wrote:
Not an f1.2?? Perhaps the rumors are not accurate. Looks like I will more than likely be keeping my outstanding Sigma 35mm f1.2 ART. After shooting this lens, it would be tough to go back to an f1.4 - there is a big difference in wide-open rendering.
Also, Canon seems to be releasing some great f1.2 RF lenses and I expect that a 35mm f1.2 R will be next, so Sony might immediately be behind if this new GM lens is actually an f1.4.
On a positive note, its good that Sony finally addressed their 35mm f1.4 deficiency (I went through four of their current 35mm f1.4's and didn't find any of them to be excellent or worth the price). Also, it seems like all of the latest Sony offerings have been really excellent, so I expect this new lens to be world-class.
p.8 #8 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
GMPhotography wrote:
The biggest problem with these forums is the total underestimated value of buying camera equipment. I personally produced 30 workshops for people just like this on a photo forum. Mostly medium format digital. The gear they showed up with made me look like a street rat. They would happily show up with 60 grand worth of gear and that's about 80 percent of them. I laugh every time some one mentions money on this forum. Photography is not my hobby golf is. You know how much my clubs cost. I can't say wife is close by. Rotflmao
Wish people give this money BS a rest. No one cares
p.8 #9 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Who said clients don't care about bokeh. Pros are not saying that trust me. I'm a Pro of over 4 decades they care a ton what's delivered. Please stop listening to people that don't have a freaking clue about what clients want. They are not in our shoes they are not out there pounding doors to make a living. I get so irate by these armchair quarterbacks that never shot a Pro job in there life.
p.8 #10 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
nhsonyshooter wrote:
"Wish people give this money BS a rest. No one cares" ?
Not sure I get your point?
Pretty simple you want high quality optics your going to pay for it. Anyway never mind there is no point. I'll stay out of it. To many trolls around here anymore for my taste
p.8 #11 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
GMPhotography wrote:
Pretty simple you want high quality optics your going to pay for it. Anyway never mind there is no point. I'll stay out of it. To many trolls around here anymore for my taste
Not you
Who is complaining about paying for high quality optics? Both the Ziess 35mm and the Rx1rii are excellent and yes 5 years ago they were worth top dollar. But that was five years ago. That was my only point.
p.8 #12 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Who is complaining about paying for high quality optics? Both the Ziess 35mm and the Rx1rii are excellent and yes 5 years ago they were worth top dollar. But that was five years ago. That was my only point.
Was not really about your comment per say. Rather not feed the trolls.
p.8 #13 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Relax. There was a study conducted and the conclusion was that people preferred more detail. Sure, not everyone does, but the majority of respondents preferred the images with less bokeh. I’ll see if I can find it.
And that’s on top of the several people I’ve personally heard complain about blurry backgrounds, and the many forums posts I’ve read about clients refusing photographs because of the bokeh. It’s all relative of course, I just believe some people are putting too much emphasis on importance of bokeh, and some lens companies are cashing in on it.
GMPhotography wrote:
Who said clients don't care about bokeh. Pros are not saying that trust me. I'm a Pro of over 4 decades they care a ton what's delivered. Please stop listening to people that don't have a freaking clue about what clients want. They are not in our shoes they are not out there pounding doors to make a living. I get so irate by these armchair quarterbacks that never shot a Pro job in there life.
p.8 #14 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Well a study is a study to maybe someone but there not Pros shooters either and I have no respect for anything these review sites say especially when they start talking for guys like me that are actually shooting for real paying clients. I see this a lot from reviewers that have as much experience as a frog but there talking for pros. Please be careful of what you read. If it's not a working Pro telling you directly than people should not be talking for us. I don't talk for my doctor, plumber or anyone else.
Seriously there a lot of people making a living talking about photography that really know nothing or very little about it. Just be careful . Yes there are some good folks but most are not very knowledgeable.
p.8 #15 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I agree with that. I don’t think the survey was about what pros are saying, but what average Joes say, and of course nothing is black and white. I do think many photographers care about things that many clients do not. I know I do because I’m mostly shooting for fun.
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p.8 #16 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
ShootPDX wrote:
Relax. There was a study conducted and the conclusion was that people preferred more detail. Sure, not everyone does, but the majority of respondents preferred the images with less bokeh. I’ll see if I can find it.
And that’s on top of the several people I’ve personally heard complain about blurry backgrounds, and the many forums posts I’ve read about clients refusing photographs because of the bokeh. It’s all relative of course, I just believe some people are putting too much emphasis on importance of bokeh, and some lens companies are cashing in on it.
A major problem with this "study" is you can't take 52 people as say that the results from those 52 when you just take whoever fills out your survey describe what the average person thinks. You need more people and you have to select the people to fill out your survey with a lot more care if you want to talk about people in general. It is great he added disclaimers, but the first major disclaimer should have been that doing it the way he did means that he can't say anything about the average person or people in general. He really can only talk about the 52 people he had fill out the survey.
I could say a lot more about how the "study" doesn't test ideas about bokeh and whether people like more or less blur, but suffice it to say the "study" doesn't really say anything about what people in general (or even the 52 people he surveyed) think about bokeh.
Dec 07, 2020 at 10:38 PM
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p.8 #17 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
ShootPDX wrote:
I agree with that. I don’t think the survey was about what pros are saying, but what average Joes say, and of course nothing is black and white. I do think many photographers care about things that many clients do not. I know I do because I’m mostly shooting for fun.
p.8 #19 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Fred Miranda wrote:
"RUMOR: Sony 35mm f/1.4 GM looks very close to the 24mm GM and is just a tiny bit bigger"
Emphasis on 'tiny'.
@DavidBM@, If true, what's the compromise for this design?
Similar axial CA as 24GM? Not very sharp at corners wide open (astigmatism, lateral CA)? Strong optical vignetting?
All of the above?
Yep I can't decide if I'm skeptical, excited, or disappointed.
Basically I'm skeptical, I doubt it'll be much or any smaller than the ZA; but I guess I might be wrong.
If it's true, then if there has been some astonishing optical breakthrough and it really is that small and good, then I could get rid of my Sigma and smaller 35 lens and just have a "Goldilocks" lens. That's the excited option.
But if it's true, more likely it'd need severe compromises of the kind you mention. That's the disappointed option.
Still, very interesting to see which of the three it turns out to be!
p.8 #20 · Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Steve Spencer wrote:
It isn't about what the average Joe says either.
Would be nice if it was 52 people in the ART world like image instructors, producers of art, creative directors and so on. This way your getting folks that actually work in the industry. Now I’d listen to that more for sure.
Let’s get back to the lens,I got donuts on this one.
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