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Archive 2021Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
p.23 #1Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Dust and moisture resistant design, fluorine coated front element.
Jan 13, 2021 at 07:16 AM
p.23 #2Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
It has the sharpness of the Sigma Art, the bokeh of the Tamron SP, and the CA of the ZA. lol
That flare resistance dough.
Looks pretty much perfect for the size.
That flare resistance dough.
Looks pretty much perfect for the size.
Jan 13, 2021 at 07:18 AM
p.23 #3Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
ftllens wrote:
It has the sharpness of the Sigma Art, the bokeh of the Tamron SP, and the CA of the ZA. lol
That flare resistance dough.
Looks pretty much perfect for the size.
Looks nice, however, I only see size + weight as advantages over the Sigma f1.2 so far, which is likely cheaper, too. The Sigma is already equipped with fast AF and survived quite a beating over time we use it, so wrt sealing it should be fine, too. I have to admit, I expected a bit better CA-control.
It has the sharpness of the Sigma Art, the bokeh of the Tamron SP, and the CA of the ZA. lol
That flare resistance dough.
Looks pretty much perfect for the size.
Looks nice, however, I only see size + weight as advantages over the Sigma f1.2 so far, which is likely cheaper, too. The Sigma is already equipped with fast AF and survived quite a beating over time we use it, so wrt sealing it should be fine, too. I have to admit, I expected a bit better CA-control.
Jan 13, 2021 at 07:21 AM
p.23 #4Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
keepcoding wrote:
I don't get why some are complaining about CA. I am very sensitive to CA but what I am seeing in the images is actually a very strong performance for a fast 35mm. I don't know of any other 35mm AF lens that performs significantly better.
Were you seriously expecting APO performance??
In terms of rendering this new 35 GM looks much better than the Sony 35mm F1.8.
Rendering-wise I'll have to see Fred's test to make up my mind
, but I also don't understasnd the CA and PF complaints. It looks visibly better than 24GM to me.
I don't get why some are complaining about CA. I am very sensitive to CA but what I am seeing in the images is actually a very strong performance for a fast 35mm. I don't know of any other 35mm AF lens that performs significantly better.
Were you seriously expecting APO performance??
In terms of rendering this new 35 GM looks much better than the Sony 35mm F1.8.
Rendering-wise I'll have to see Fred's test to make up my mind
, but I also don't understasnd the CA and PF complaints. It looks visibly better than 24GM to me.Jan 13, 2021 at 07:23 AM
p.23 #5Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Ok, but when I read "..An ED glass element and other optical refinements effectively suppress chromatic aberration and purple fringing for breathtaking results....
I expect for a different thing....
I expect for a different thing....
Jan 13, 2021 at 07:27 AM
p.23 #7Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
From the press text - “ weighing a mere 524 grams and measuring just 76 mm dia. x 96 mm with a filter diameter of Φ67mm”
As a comparison the GM24 is 75.4 x 92.4 and weighs 445g. So the 35 is 3.6mm longer and essentially the same width. Nice!
As a comparison the GM24 is 75.4 x 92.4 and weighs 445g. So the 35 is 3.6mm longer and essentially the same width. Nice!
Jan 13, 2021 at 07:37 AM
p.23 #8Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
scalanc2 wrote:
Ok, but when I read "..An ED glass element and other optical refinements effectively suppress chromatic aberration and purple fringing for breathtaking results....
I expect for a different thing....
Sorry, but that's pure marketing talk.
When I saw the size, I knew it will not be optically perfect (nor 24GM neither 85GM is) and there will be some compromises. I like what I'm seeing so far, but it's not Sigma 40mm correction level for sure.
Edited on Jan 13, 2021 at 07:38 AM · View previous versions
Ok, but when I read "..An ED glass element and other optical refinements effectively suppress chromatic aberration and purple fringing for breathtaking results....
I expect for a different thing....
Sorry, but that's pure marketing talk.
When I saw the size, I knew it will not be optically perfect (nor 24GM neither 85GM is) and there will be some compromises. I like what I'm seeing so far, but it's not Sigma 40mm correction level for sure.
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Jan 13, 2021 at 07:37 AM
p.23 #9Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
GM 24mm f/1.4: 445g, 75.4mm dia x 92.4mm length
GM 35mm f/1.4: 524g, 76mm dia x 96mm length
w.r.t. size and weight, they did it!
GM 35mm f/1.4: 524g, 76mm dia x 96mm length
w.r.t. size and weight, they did it!
Jan 13, 2021 at 07:37 AM
p.23 #10Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
So I saw at least one other member talking about using it for astro stitches who else other than him and I are in that camp? Also depending on flare resistance and sunstars this might make for a nice new landscape/astro lens
Jan 13, 2021 at 07:38 AM
p.23 #11Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
The press text says it has “two of Sony’s XD (extreme dynamic) linear motors” - is that the same as my 135GM or is this different?
Edit - the Sony website says the 135 has “dual front and rear XD linear motors” - does that mean the 135 has 4 motors? And the 35 has the same motors but 2 of them?
Edit - the Sony website says the 135 has “dual front and rear XD linear motors” - does that mean the 135 has 4 motors? And the 35 has the same motors but 2 of them?
Jan 13, 2021 at 07:38 AM
p.23 #12Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
scalanc2 wrote:
Ok, but when I read "..An ED glass element and other optical refinements effectively suppress chromatic aberration and purple fringing for breathtaking results....
I expect for a different thing....
Yeah, but one ED element isn't going to get rid of all CA. Notice even in this marketing speak they say "suppress" CA. I am sure the ED element suppresses CA, but even the Otus 28 with 8 ED/APD elements and at 1350g does not completely eliminate axial CA at f/1.4. I don't think it is reasonable to expect a lens of this size to eliminate axial CA. It should have less than the 35 f/1.8 (which has no ED elements) at the same apertures, but there is going to be some axial CA. What I am most interested in is how much lateral CA there is once you get a good profile correction. Of course we don't have that yet. If lateral CA is well controlled with a good profile (as I expect it to be), then I can live with some axial CA as long as it is pretty well controlled by f/2.8 (axial CA should decrease as the lens is stopped down; lateral CA will not). To me that is the reasonable expectation for a lens such as this one (i.e., a small 35 f/1.4).
Ok, but when I read "..An ED glass element and other optical refinements effectively suppress chromatic aberration and purple fringing for breathtaking results....
I expect for a different thing....
Yeah, but one ED element isn't going to get rid of all CA. Notice even in this marketing speak they say "suppress" CA. I am sure the ED element suppresses CA, but even the Otus 28 with 8 ED/APD elements and at 1350g does not completely eliminate axial CA at f/1.4. I don't think it is reasonable to expect a lens of this size to eliminate axial CA. It should have less than the 35 f/1.8 (which has no ED elements) at the same apertures, but there is going to be some axial CA. What I am most interested in is how much lateral CA there is once you get a good profile correction. Of course we don't have that yet. If lateral CA is well controlled with a good profile (as I expect it to be), then I can live with some axial CA as long as it is pretty well controlled by f/2.8 (axial CA should decrease as the lens is stopped down; lateral CA will not). To me that is the reasonable expectation for a lens such as this one (i.e., a small 35 f/1.4).
Jan 13, 2021 at 07:43 AM
p.23 #13Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Based on the photos from DPR, my personal feeling is 35GM is not as great as 20/1.8g.
I guess there might be a 35 1.2 GM plannedn in next 1-2 years.
I guess there might be a 35 1.2 GM plannedn in next 1-2 years.
Jan 13, 2021 at 08:03 AM
p.23 #14Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Holger wrote:
That flare resistance dough.
Looks pretty much perfect for the size.Looks nice, however, I only see size + weight as advantages over the Sigma f1.2 so far, which is likely cheaper, too. The Sigma is already equipped with fast AF and survived quite a beating over time we use it, so wrt sealing it should be fine, too. I have to admit, I expected a bit better CA-control.
"only see size + weight as advantages" Then Sony has listened and has done their homework
Alot of people don't want to carry around a 70-200mm size 35mm.
Edited on Jan 13, 2021 at 11:28 AM · View previous versions
ftllens wrote
It has the sharpness of the Sigma Art, the bokeh of the Tamron SP, and the CA of the ZA. lolThat flare resistance dough.
Looks pretty much perfect for the size.
"only see size + weight as advantages" Then Sony has listened and has done their homework
Alot of people don't want to carry around a 70-200mm size 35mm. Edited on Jan 13, 2021 at 11:28 AM · View previous versions
Jan 13, 2021 at 08:32 AM
p.23 #15Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Holger wrote:
Sample gallery
https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9955503845/sony-35mm-f1-4-gm-sample-gallery
/4464157235
I don't see a big difference in rendering to the Sigma so far. Won't likely trade in the f1.2 for it even though it is smaller.
CAs:
https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9955503845/sony-35mm-f1-4-gm-sample-gallery/5536715489
Stronger CA than 20G, for example.
CA reminiscent to the first GM 24 sample images I saw. Ex. tree branches in the Muir Woods 24GM gallery ( Looking for those samples now)
Sample gallery
https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9955503845/sony-35mm-f1-4-gm-sample-gallery
/4464157235
I don't see a big difference in rendering to the Sigma so far. Won't likely trade in the f1.2 for it even though it is smaller.
CAs:
https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9955503845/sony-35mm-f1-4-gm-sample-gallery/5536715489
Stronger CA than 20G, for example.
CA reminiscent to the first GM 24 sample images I saw. Ex. tree branches in the Muir Woods 24GM gallery ( Looking for those samples now)
Jan 13, 2021 at 08:32 AM
p.23 #16Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
nhsonyshooter wrote:
I'm pretty sure first impressions will settle for more comprehensive understanding when we get more samples and discussion advances.Yeah it’s early days yet but I have some suspicion that marketing told engineering “people loved the 24GM for its size...make it that size” and engineering said “you do know this is a 35? Made to the same standard it could be up to 50% longer” and marketing said “what evs”
Having said that, for some people a sharp AF 1,4/35 which is that size may be worth the trade off of very high LoCA by modern standards.What makes you assume all "engineering" people want to make a large lens? I would think the opposite is true. If I'm a lens designer there is no satisfaction in making something large like everyone else. I mean really how hard is it to make a perfect lens when size is not taken into account. People here said it would not be smaller than the Zeiss for example. If I'm an engineer that is what drives me, not marketing. Common sense just tells us smaller "if possible" is more useful. 35mm 1.2 Sigma can produce beautiful images but it never...Show more →
If you read what Nikon people are saying about their Z lenses (a lot are bigger than the equivalent Sony), they seem to be happy that Nikon chose to make sharp and well corrected optics with size/weight are secondary.
DavidBM wrote
Kalainen wrote
First examples are always first examples and people tend to observe them more obsessed (and compare them to their usually high expectations). Still I have to say I'm a bit surprised about the rather strong CA (wide open) and LoCA even stopped down to f/2. To me, this doesn't seem too different from the ZA version, though the onions are surely gone. The rendering looks smooth, though technically it doesn't look too too different from the ZA (let alone Otus-like performance). I think one of the main pro's is that it is pretty compact for a f/1.4 lens and it aligns with the rest of the GM family.I'm pretty sure first impressions will settle for more comprehensive understanding when we get more samples and discussion advances.
Having said that, for some people a sharp AF 1,4/35 which is that size may be worth the trade off of very high LoCA by modern standards.
If you read what Nikon people are saying about their Z lenses (a lot are bigger than the equivalent Sony), they seem to be happy that Nikon chose to make sharp and well corrected optics with size/weight are secondary.
Jan 13, 2021 at 08:41 AM
p.23 #17Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
hiepphotog wrote:
I'm pretty sure first impressions will settle for more comprehensive understanding when we get more samples and discussion advances.Yeah it’s early days yet but I have some suspicion that marketing told engineering “people loved the 24GM for its size...make it that size” and engineering said “you do know this is a 35? Made to the same standard it could be up to 50% longer” and marketing said “what evs”
Having said that, for some people a sharp AF 1,4/35 which is that size may be worth the trade off of very high LoCA by modern standards.What makes you assume all "engineering" people want to make a large lens? I would think the opposite is true. If I'm a lens designer there is no satisfaction in making something large like everyone else. I mean really how hard is it to make a perfect lens when size is not taken into account. People here said it would not be smaller than the Zeiss for example. If I'm an engineer that is what drives me, not marketing. Common sense just tells us smaller "if possible" is more useful. 35mm 1.2 Sigma can produce beautiful images but it never even crossed my mind to buy it because it's way to big. What good is a great optic if you don't want to carry it? Obviously that answer is different for everyone. But I suspect most that moved to the mirrorless world would prefer the smaller lens.If you read what Nikon people are saying about their Z lenses (a lot are bigger than the equivalent Sony), they seem to be happy that Nikon chose to make sharp and well corrected optics with size/weight are secondary.
That is for the f/2.8 zooms. Note Nikon made a big compromise for almost all their initial primes in making them f/1.8 which kept them small. Nikon users are applauding that decision as well.
nhsonyshooter wrote
DavidBM wrote
Kalainen wrote
First examples are always first examples and people tend to observe them more obsessed (and compare them to their usually high expectations). Still I have to say I'm a bit surprised about the rather strong CA (wide open) and LoCA even stopped down to f/2. To me, this doesn't seem too different from the ZA version, though the onions are surely gone. The rendering looks smooth, though technically it doesn't look too too different from the ZA (let alone Otus-like performance). I think one of the main pro's is that it is pretty compact for a f/1.4 lens and it aligns with the rest of the GM family.I'm pretty sure first impressions will settle for more comprehensive understanding when we get more samples and discussion advances.
Having said that, for some people a sharp AF 1,4/35 which is that size may be worth the trade off of very high LoCA by modern standards.
That is for the f/2.8 zooms. Note Nikon made a big compromise for almost all their initial primes in making them f/1.8 which kept them small. Nikon users are applauding that decision as well.
Jan 13, 2021 at 08:43 AM
p.23 #18Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I've got a stellar copy of the 35/1.4 ZA. I'll reserve judgement, but looking at the 35 GM samples so far, I'm not seeing a compelling enough of a reason to upgrade. I'd be more tempted to go for the Sigma 1.2, which is a more noticeable step-up in performance.
Jan 13, 2021 at 08:53 AM
p.23 #19Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Steve Spencer wrote:
I'm pretty sure first impressions will settle for more comprehensive understanding when we get more samples and discussion advances.Yeah it’s early days yet but I have some suspicion that marketing told engineering “people loved the 24GM for its size...make it that size” and engineering said “you do know this is a 35? Made to the same standard it could be up to 50% longer” and marketing said “what evs”
Having said that, for some people a sharp AF 1,4/35 which is that size may be worth the trade off of very high LoCA by modern standards.What makes you assume all "engineering" people want to make a large lens? I would think the opposite is true. If I'm a lens designer there is no satisfaction in making something large like everyone else. I mean really how hard is it to make a perfect lens when size is not taken into account. People here said it would not be smaller than the Zeiss for example. If I'm an engineer that is what drives me, not marketing. Common sense just tells us smaller "if possible" is more useful. 35mm 1.2 Sigma can produce beautiful images but it never even crossed my mind to buy it because it's way to big. What good is a great optic if you don't want to carry it? Obviously that answer is different for everyone. But I suspect most that moved to the mirrorless world would prefer the smaller lens.If you read what Nikon people are saying about their Z lenses (a lot are bigger than the equivalent Sony), they seem to be happy that Nikon chose to make sharp and well corrected optics with size/weight are secondary.That is for the f/2.8 zooms. Note Nikon made a big compromise for almost all their initial primes in making them f/1.8 which kept them small. Nikon users are applauding that decision as well.
Those f/1.8 are big for the f/1.8 class. They are sharp and well corrected though. That behemoth 50/1.2 S is no slouch either.
hiepphotog wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
DavidBM wrote
Kalainen wrote
First examples are always first examples and people tend to observe them more obsessed (and compare them to their usually high expectations). Still I have to say I'm a bit surprised about the rather strong CA (wide open) and LoCA even stopped down to f/2. To me, this doesn't seem too different from the ZA version, though the onions are surely gone. The rendering looks smooth, though technically it doesn't look too too different from the ZA (let alone Otus-like performance). I think one of the main pro's is that it is pretty compact for a f/1.4 lens and it aligns with the rest of the GM family.I'm pretty sure first impressions will settle for more comprehensive understanding when we get more samples and discussion advances.
Having said that, for some people a sharp AF 1,4/35 which is that size may be worth the trade off of very high LoCA by modern standards.
Those f/1.8 are big for the f/1.8 class. They are sharp and well corrected though. That behemoth 50/1.2 S is no slouch either
.Jan 13, 2021 at 08:53 AM
p.23 #20Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
LBJ2 wrote:
https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9955503845/sony-35mm-f1-4-gm-sample-gallery
/4464157235
I don't see a big difference in rendering to the Sigma so far. Won't likely trade in the f1.2 for it even though it is smaller.
CAs:
https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9955503845/sony-35mm-f1-4-gm-sample-gallery/5536715489
Stronger CA than 20G, for example.CA reminiscent to the first GM 24 sample images I saw. Ex. tree branches in the Muir Woods 24GM gallery ( Looking for those samples now)
GM 24 CA example
https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9693305043/sony-24mm-f1-4-gm-sample-gallery/0562844814
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Holger wrote
Sample galleryhttps://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9955503845/sony-35mm-f1-4-gm-sample-gallery
/4464157235
I don't see a big difference in rendering to the Sigma so far. Won't likely trade in the f1.2 for it even though it is smaller.
CAs:
https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9955503845/sony-35mm-f1-4-gm-sample-gallery/5536715489
Stronger CA than 20G, for example.
GM 24 CA example
https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9693305043/sony-24mm-f1-4-gm-sample-gallery/0562844814
Edited on Jan 13, 2021 at 08:55 AM · View previous versions
Jan 13, 2021 at 08:54 AM