p.8 #3 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
This has been already discussed to death, but I did not see the following come up in quick browsing.
If money and size are not considered, Canon R5 is mostly superior.
1. If money is a consideration, the Sony ecosystem will provide far better value in any camera class and any lens type.
2. If size is a consideration (active lifestyle, travel, etc..), Sony fares far better with smaller bodies, far smaller lenses (especially primes), ability to work with any USB charger/battery pack, better battery life requiring fewer batteries..
As far as stabilization goes, even the EOS-R with 24-105 RF lens did well and I have been able to go higher than 1 sec on many occasions. Part of the reason is excellent OS in the lens, but partly that Canon has built-in automatic shutter activation delay at low shutter speed. It will sense low shutter and introduce a shutter delay which will reduce camera shake from pressing the shutter button. Sony is limited in the sense that all you have is 2sec delay timer, and nothing that is a fraction of seconds which is mostly what you need for such scenarios. Nikon has option to manually delay shutter from 0.2 to 2 secs and it worked very well when I used it.
p.8 #4 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
indusphoto wrote:
This has been already discussed to death, but I did not see the following come up in quick browsing.
If money and size are not considered, Canon R5 is mostly superior.
1. If money is a consideration, the Sony ecosystem will provide far better value in any camera class and any lens type.
2. If size is a consideration (active lifestyle, travel, etc..), Sony fares far better with smaller bodies, far smaller lenses (especially primes), ability to work with any USB charger/battery pack, better battery life requiring fewer batteries..
As far as stabilization goes, even the EOS-R with 24-105 RF lens did well and I have been able to go higher than 1 sec on many occasions. Part of the reason is excellent OS in the lens, but partly that Canon has built-in automatic shutter activation delay at low shutter speed. It will sense low shutter and introduce a shutter delay which will reduce camera shake from pressing the shutter button. Sony is limited in the sense that all you have is 2sec delay timer, and nothing that is a fraction of seconds which is mostly what you need for such scenarios. Nikon has option to manually delay shutter from 0.2 to 2 secs and it worked very well when I used it. ...Show more →
Good points. It is impossible to argue the value and extensibility of the Sony system.
p.8 #5 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
I plan to do back to back shooting today between the A7RIV/200-600 and R5/100-500. I'll be sure to keep my thoughts to myself given the response one gets even mentioning another brand on this forum lately.
To the OP....I hope my first post back on page 1 has helped a little bit with your decision. I'll send you a PM with any further thoughts I have after back to back testing over the next three days.
p.8 #6 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
arbitrage wrote:
I plan to do back to back shooting today between the A7RIV/200-600 and R5/100-500. I'll be sure to keep my thoughts to myself given the response one gets even mentioning another brand on this forum lately.
To the OP....I hope my first post back on page 1 has helped a little bit with your decision. I'll send you a PM with any further thoughts I have after back to back testing over the next three days.
I am interested to know more about your thoughts about comparing these two systems: A7RIV/200-600 and R5/100-500.
p.8 #7 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
arbitrage wrote:
I plan to do back to back shooting today between the A7RIV/200-600 and R5/100-500. I'll be sure to keep my thoughts to myself given the response one gets even mentioning another brand on this forum lately.
To the OP....I hope my first post back on page 1 has helped a little bit with your decision. I'll send you a PM with any further thoughts I have after back to back testing over the next three days.
Please do NOT keep your thoughts to yourself as this is the kind of expert, critical information many of us come to FM for.
p.8 #10 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
I had a Sony A7r III and then a Sony A7r IV. I had myriad lenses. After two years and many lovely photos with the Sony system I switched back to Canon.
I will not go in to the details of why I didn’t enjoy my time with Sony as much as I had hoped. Most of my complaints with Sonys are quite trivial and personal. Well, aside from a sole complaint: buffer clearing speed is abysmal, even with ProGrade Cobalt UHS-II cards. Nevertheless I can’t name an issue that got in the way of me getting the photos that I needed.
It was a breath of fresh air coming to Sony after having the 6D, eventually 6D Mark II, and the 5D Mark IV.
I now have the R5, and it is the first camera that I have had that feels almost too fast for me. You never wait for anything in the camera.
It’s got animal eye af that works extremely well. And it is great for photos of dogs, deer, and elk (the only animals I’ve been able to test on so far). But in all honesty the Animal Eye AF of the A7r IV worked extremely well on dogs. Especially if the dog were not black. I would not say that for dogs that the R5 is better.
In general, the autofocus works very well. It is slightly less likely in my experience to focus on a chain link fence or something like that in the background while following a subject, but I also think it is less sticky, and more willing to jump to another subject than the A7r IV. Even after setting the sensitivity to -2, it still seems to be more willing to switch subjects.
Landscape photography is still one of my most significant passions, and for that purpose, I’ve really enjoyed the R5. The files look great, and I can always get what I want out of them. This is something you cannot say the same for older Canon bodies. Or at least I can’t say it.
In the end tho, the lack of AA filter and the 61mp sensor of the A7r IV will still serve you better if this is your primary focus.
Oh and one last criticism of the Canon system: their process for setting a custom white balance using a gray card or white card is TERRIBLE. Just look up the process of this is something important to you. It is important to me for video, and that is when the already bad system gets worse.
If the OP is looking for actual advice as to which to get, and not just looking for interesting flame discussions, here is my advice: get the Sony A7r IV unless there is something specific about the R5 that you want that makes it worth the much larger expense, and more limited compact lens selection of going Canon. The benefits of the R5 over the A7r IV are well documented, and many of them will not benefit you in many situations. The drawbacks are also well documented, and will also likely not be a drawback in many situations.
p.8 #11 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
arbitrage wrote:
I plan to do back to back shooting today between the A7RIV/200-600 and R5/100-500. I'll be sure to keep my thoughts to myself given the response one gets even mentioning another brand on this forum lately.
To the OP....I hope my first post back on page 1 has helped a little bit with your decision. I'll send you a PM with any further thoughts I have after back to back testing over the next three days.
I always valued your evaluation/thoughts on various cameras and setups. Have been following your feedbacks on the R5 as well as your initial thoughts on the Z7II. I find them very informative. Keep sharing and disregard those that are brand loyal
p.8 #12 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
arbitrage wrote:
I plan to do back to back shooting today between the A7RIV/200-600 and R5/100-500. I'll be sure to keep my thoughts to myself given the response one gets even mentioning another brand on this forum lately.
To the OP....I hope my first post back on page 1 has helped a little bit with your decision. I'll send you a PM with any further thoughts I have after back to back testing over the next three days.
Geoff, I believe everybody appreciates what you are doing or planning of doing regardless of the outcome. However, keep in mind that a fair and unbiased evaluation or comparison of two different gear setups is really hard to do unless you do it under controlled conditions. The circumstances under real world conditions vary quite a bit using one setup to other real world shooting conditions using another setup. And, I am not referring to the lighting conditions alone, of course. At any rate, good luck and have fun.
p.8 #13 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
None of us every really shoot in controlled conditions. We all understand that what Geoff is posting are real World reports of his experiences, not formal testing and analysis.
p.8 #14 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
1bwana1 wrote:
None of us every really shoot in controlled conditions. We all understand that what Geoff is posting are real World reports of his experiences, not formal testing and analysis.
+1 EXACTLY - enough of controlled environment. We can get that from dpreview and various other sites...Don't know who else on fredmiranda would be more unbiased than Geoff
p.8 #15 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
1bwana1 wrote:
None of us every really shoot in controlled conditions. We all understand that what Geoff is posting are real World reports of his experiences, not formal testing and analysis.
I agree if we are evaluating just a camera/lens combo but if we are comparing two it would be hard to get the results not skewed to whichever gear done under more favorable conditions. But frankly, I care less , I am just trying to point out the possibility.
p.8 #17 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
raminolta wrote:
A comparison between A7r iv and R5 regarding still portraits:
The clear winner of this comparison is the new Sigma 85mm DG DN Art lens!
I believe it is more about the AF performance, the tracking ability, the black-out aspect of the viewfinder, electronic/mechanical shutter, etc. related to birds in flight or bird photography in general in this case and NOT about still photography for portraits or anything else.
p.8 #18 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
AGeoJO wrote:
I believe it is more about the AF performance, the tracking ability, the black-out aspect of the viewfinder, electronic/mechanical shutter, etc. related to birds in flight or bird photography in general in this case and NOT about still photography for portraits or anything else.
Please watch the video linked in the post. Thank you.
p.8 #19 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
I'd like to watch this video, but the presenter is unwatchable and unlistenable as well. I lasted four seconds. Can he get someone normal to do it for him?
p.8 #20 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5
philip_pj wrote:
I'd like to watch this video, but the presenter is unwatchable and unlistenable as well. I lasted four seconds. Can he get someone normal to do it for him?
