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Archive 2020 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

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p.4 #1 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

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For the "surely Sony will respond" crowd, don't forget they've already released a camera with their new flippy screen and revised menu with touch controls, undoubtedly pushed in that directly by Canon's current bodies.

And now all they need is Animal Eye-AF Mark II with a ~35MP stacked, BSI sensor and they will be well in the lead again. (for my type of shooting that is).

Oct 07, 2020 at 08:26 AM

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p.4 #2 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

It all depends on your perspective really, but I also think Sony has slowed down compared to previous releases...
I am not saying it was entirely possible to maintain the same level of innovation (e.g. sensor tech) and competitive pricing, but I think Sony could have stolen a lot of R5's thunder if it acted more not as a "mirrorless leader" but still as a "challenger" (that is, aim to grab even more new customers instead of mainly solidifying its existing customer base).

Oct 07, 2020 at 08:31 AM

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p.4 #3 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

I honestly don't know what you guys want from Sony in 2020. Canon JUST caught up to 3 year old Sony tech. Your Sony cameras didn't suddenly stop creating industry leading images because Canon released a competent set of cameras for the first time in a decade.

Of course Sony will continue to innovate, especially now in a suddenly competitive market space...and if they don't...you have many more options than you did this time last year.

99% of posters wistfully waxing about small new camera features on their wish list aren't pushing their systems to their full potential anyways (me included).

Oct 07, 2020 at 08:45 AM

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p.4 #4 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

arbitrage wrote:
The last time Sony did anything worthwhile was April 19, 2017. Really since then they've been like a deer caught in the headlights.

I am trying to stay away from this thread because it is really becoming a silly flaming war but this comment is just so wrong it was hard to let it pass. Perhaps for YOU that is true but for the majority, that couldn't be further form the truth. Throwing up personal feelings as facts is NEVER a good idea.

Guys...it is FREAKING GEAR...it is a MEANS TO AN END..not the END GAME. Maybe that should be the title of my next video...
This is not DPReview..lets behave, shall we?

I am out.

Oct 07, 2020 at 09:13 AM

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p.4 #5 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

arbitrage wrote:
The last time Sony did anything worthwhile was April 19, 2017. Really since then they've been like a deer caught in the headlights. This was nailed home on Oct 3, 2019 and continues to this day. There was a slight glimmer of hope on Jan 16, 2019 but ultimately that fell flat.

I sure hope the R5 has woke them up. If the Z9 rumour is even close to true they are going to get hit hard from two sides now.

Maybe in your little world of birding...but if you open your eyes and mind you'll see Sony marching on very nicely with timely releases of great gear including class leading glass.

Oct 07, 2020 at 09:18 AM

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p.4 #6 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

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Maybe in your little world of birding...but if you open your eyes and mind you'll see Sony marching on very nicely with timely releases of great gear including class leading glass.

Why would I care what Sony did for landscape photographers or portrait photographers? Of course my opinion is based on my use case. If I need to spell that out with every post for you then I guess I'll keep that disclaimer on my clipboard ready for a Ctrl+P with every post.

Your opinions are next to useless to my type of photography but I don't complain about every post you make just because it doesn't fit with what I shoot.

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Oct 07, 2020 at 09:42 AM

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p.4 #7 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

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I am trying to stay away from this thread because it is really becoming a silly flaming war but this comment is just so wrong it was hard to let it pass. Perhaps for YOU that is true but for the majority, that couldn't be further form the truth. Throwing up personal feelings as facts is NEVER a good idea.

Guys...it is FREAKING GEAR...it is a MEANS TO AN END..not the END GAME. Maybe that should be the title of my next video...
This is not DPReview..lets behave, shall we?

I am out.

Yes, usually when I'm making a comment it is 100% about ME and MY USE...why would I care about what Sony does for portrait photographers? Why should you care about what Sony has done for bird/action photographers if you don't do that type of photography? I don't come into your thread comparing R5/A7RIV portraits/color and complain that it doesn't affect my type of photography so give it a rest.

Just to be helpful I've added a disclaimer to the referenced post with a couple suggestions to ease your stress it has obviously caused evident by the use of all caps in your reply.

Oct 07, 2020 at 09:44 AM

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p.4 #8 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

arbitrage wrote:
Yes, usually when I'm making a comment it is 100% about ME and MY USE...why would I care about what Sony does for portrait photographers? Why should you care about what Sony has done for bird/action photographers if you don't do that type of photography? I don't come into your thread comparing R5/A7RIV portraits/color and complain that it doesn't affect my type of photography so give it a rest.
Give it a rest? ha, now THAT is ironic coming from you, isn't it? You take things WAY too personal about gear..they have no feelings, trust me

Welcome to my ignored list.

Oct 07, 2020 at 09:54 AM

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p.4 #9 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

j4nu wrote:
It all depends on your perspective really, but I also think Sony has slowed down compared to previous releases...

Perhaps the collapse of the broader consumer camera market, followed by the global pandemic, had something to do with them slowing down? Between those factors, and Sony having reached the point where they have a reasonably comprehensive system in place, it's only natural that new product releases would slow down somewhat.

As you say, it all depends on your perspective. Sony appears to be slowing down, but the others appear to be moving faster now only because until a few months ago, they were actually moving backwards... I keep waiting for Nikon to trot out an F7 film camera.

Oct 07, 2020 at 09:58 AM

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p.4 #10 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

Parts of this thread it turning into a debate as polarizing as the US election... Let�s just be kind and respect others opinions.

I�m a Sony shooter, I used to be Nikon (F100, D70, D300) and later switched to Canon when the 5D came out. I used to work in a camera store way back in my youth, so I guess I like gear and new tech so I�ve dabbled with various systems like Fuji XT2/3, Nikon Z6, etc. Always liked shooting Leica rangefinders, but at this point I�ve given up on it. It is just a hobby to me and not a life and death decision (not putting food on table via my photography). Sometimes context is important so people understand how/why you argue a certain way, so there you have it.

I�ve tinkered around with the R5 and will probably pick one up with a couple of lenses. Why if I shoot Sony? I use a A7R3 and it has served me well. But I don�t love it. Size, weight and IQ are great. Custom buttons and ability to tweak your individual set up makes it pretty smooth and fast to operate but I think there is big room for improvement on the UI. The screen is too small and low quality by today�s standard. The lack on true touch interface, 13 years after the iPhone came out, is maddening. We all work around the menu system but I doubt anyone of us loves it. A top plate LCD would be great to check settings. AF speed and accuracy of the A7R3 are not bad, but clearly there have been advances. Sure, I could go A7R4 but I don�t want 61mp or 120mb files to deal with - the ability to select smaller files would be a great addition (yeah, yeah, that is not true raw...). Sony�s native glass - there are some real gems but I would love to have a stellar 50/1.2 and I think Sony should have delivered one years ago. And don�t get me started on Sony�s unintuitive ways to deliver firmware upgrades, lack of great mobile phone controls/software, lack of partnerships with AWS or someone for cloud backup, etc, etc....

None of these issues are deal breakers. Just a lot of papercuts, but surey not a thousand...None of these issues can rationally justify given up a camera I paid $3k for, which is now worth half, and buy a $4,100 (w tax) camera, a couple of $2k lenses, and $600 worth of new cards. My money would be better spent buying a new computer, investing in training and practice in post-processing and workflow, better photo management and organization, better backup solutions, better way to distribute and charge for my photos, travel to better locations...

But sometimes life is not rational... ;-)

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Oct 07, 2020 at 10:07 AM

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p.4 #11 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

GabrielPhoto wrote:
Give it a rest? ha, now THAT is ironic coming from you, isn't it? You take things WAY too personal about gear..they have no feelings, trust me

Welcome to my ignored list.

I'm confused about the way too personal comment? That would imply I'm offended by people complaining about the gear I own? That seems odd because everyone on here seems to be blindly defending the gear I own. I'm the one always complaining about the gear I own because it always lacks something and it is usually something that is already available from someone else. Go back and read post #2 in this thread and tell me that wasn't a balanced opinion about the two cameras I own and the OP asked about.

But I guess I just wasted 1min of typing because you won't be reading this comment anyways...or will you?...I bet you just clicked that un-hide post button...

Oct 07, 2020 at 10:08 AM

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p.4 #12 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

I find the polarization is not helpful and like Geoff, I've used all of the major DSLR/MILC platforms in an effort to achieve the best possible images. Nikon led the way for a while with DSLR AF followed by the Sony MILC. Geoff correctly observed that they really haven't advanced the narrative for the last couple of years while Canon came in strong with the R5. For better or worse, that's how competition and innovation are tied together. Right now, I've migrated back to Canon simply because I had a solid reserve of EF glass and appreciated what the R5 offered. If in a few months Sony releases a ~45 mp a9iii or whatever, I might return.

Oct 07, 2020 at 10:20 AM

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p.4 #13 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

armd wrote:
I find the polarization is not helpful and like Geoff, I've used all of the major DSLR/MILC platforms in an effort to achieve the best possible images. Nikon led the way for a while with DSLR AF followed by the Sony MILC. Geoff correctly observed that they really haven't advanced the narrative for the last couple of years while Canon came in strong with the R5.

you and geoff are posting brand mis-generalizations that are poorly informed and not logical.

you guys don't shoots sports, so neither of you understands that the a9ii upgrades are largely targeted at shooters who need to get jpegs out asap, for example with the best voice annotation capability on the market, aka at the olympics.

a9ii is for people who need the best light flicker control of any camera on the market, no other camera has that ability even with the mechanical shutter, and sony did it with the electronic shutter... claiming that market-leading capabilities like those don't "advance the narrative" is not true.

the a7siii is a *huge* step up from the a7sii, it's one of the best video-focused milc bodies on the market, far superior to the crippled r5 melt-down nightmare... canon failed with video performance on the r5, while sony hit a home run with the a7siii.

the only reason that canon "came on strong" is because they were coming from eos-r/eos-rp junk cameras, lol... canon still doesn't have sensor readout speeds that are anywhere near what the a9/a9ii has.

Oct 07, 2020 at 11:14 AM

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p.4 #14 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

I know Geoff (arbitrage) is a fan boy, a fan boy of BIF

. He is no fan boy of a particular brand, he shoots Sony, Nikon and Canon. Personally I have an A9 and 2 A7RIVs, I would really like to see Sony making a high MP high speed body that covers most grounds well, and add focus stacking and improve the IBIS too while they are at it.

I will be happy to sell my A9 and one of my A7RIVs and replace them with a single Sony high MP high speed body, as long as it's not priced at $6000+.

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Oct 07, 2020 at 11:34 AM

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p.4 #15 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

armd wrote:
I find the polarization is not helpful and like Geoff, I've used all of the major DSLR/MILC platforms in an effort to achieve the best possible images. Nikon led the way for a while with DSLR AF followed by the Sony MILC. Geoff correctly observed that they really haven't advanced the narrative for the last couple of years while Canon came in strong with the R5. For better or worse, that's how competition and innovation are tied together. Right now, I've migrated back to Canon simply because I had a solid reserve of EF glass and appreciated what the R5...Show more →

One can of course argue regarding a BIF machine. The R5 and Canon's AI for animal eye-AF did tick many boxes. For me that advancement is of no value at all, but to each his/her own.

I would say, however, that the A7siii did advance the narrative quite well, at least the reaction in the video world is very very enthusiastic, at least from the ones I know and work with, or from reading people reviewing it. Only because it didn't jump on the 8k train yet doesn't mean it to be underwhelming.

I think many here used quite a lot of gear and everybody has different needs wrt what he wants to achieve a certain end result. From my personal perspective - weddings - there is still no real competitor to the A9ii right now for my way of using cameras and for my occasional high res stuff I like the A7riv, too.

My wish list: A9iii with 1/300 read out or global shutter type capability to allow flash use in e-shutter and 36 MP + bigger buffer. In addtion Sony should use a much faster OS or processing power to speed up handling of the camera, start-up time etc. The latter is not that important to me, it works well right now, too, but would be nice.

Oct 07, 2020 at 11:39 AM

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p.4 #16 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

I owned the a7riv for a short while, then sold it and bought an a9ii. A few weeks ago I bought an R5 and while it�s a fantastic camera (I�d say it has snappier AF than the a7riv and faster processing power than the a9ii) there is hardly any glass available for it, and the glass that is available is insanely expensive (even used). The lens I use most often, 35 1.8, isn�t weather sealed, which is a bummer.

When I take images side by side with the a9ii, I just don�t see enough of a difference in size/IQ to compel me to keep the R5.

Sony glass is every bit as good as Canon�s, it�s less expensive, and there�s a lot more of it. So, I�m selling the R5 and I�ll pick up an a7riv again for landscapes.

All said, they�re both amazing cameras and as has been said many times before, if you can�t get the shot with either camera, then the camera isn�t the problem.

Oct 07, 2020 at 11:44 AM

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p.4 #17 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

I've never used the R5 or any other Canon camera, but from what I have seen and read, I am a fan and would like to try it out one day. I am currently too happily vested in the Sony mirrorless system and frankly have everything I need to consider swapping systems for now. And as we all know and have come to expect, it will not be long before Sony announces their latest greatest. Personally I am hanging on to the wild 50MP A9x rumor.

If however, I was starting a new system, based upon what I have seen and read so far to include comments on this thread, Canon R5 would certainly be on my short-list.

Oct 07, 2020 at 12:05 PM

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p.4 #18 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

Sad to see that what started as an open and interesting thread has ended up attracting anger and insults.

Not sure if the OP is still reading this thread but if so, here are my thoughts.

I am a former Canon user but switched when I got tired of waiting for Canon to make a meaningful update to the 5D2. I shoot a Sony a9 and a7RIV. In my opinion, the Canon R5 is clearly a better all around camera than the a7RIV whereas the a7RIV is a slightly to moderately better landscape camera than the R5, and the a9 is a moderately better sports camera than the R5. Of course, the Sony A7SIII is a clearly better video camera than the Canon R5.

I have thought about consolidating my systems (Fuji + Sony) into a single Canon R5/R6 but will not do it because I believe Sony does a better job of giving customers what they "want" than Canon. Canon (again my opinion) is more about giving customers what they (Canon) believe the customers "need".

If I was starting from scratch, and money wasn't an issue, I would probably go for the R5. Then again, I like to support the underdog so maybe I'd go with Fuji.

Oct 07, 2020 at 12:42 PM

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p.4 #19 · Any A7RIV users tried or brought the Canon R5

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***DISCLAIMER** My opinions are my opinions based on my use case. If you don't care to read them scroll past or better yet Hide me.

The last time Sony did anything worthwhile was April 19, 2017. Really since then they've been like a deer caught in the headlights. This was nailed home on Oct 3, 2019 and continues to this day. There was a slight glimmer of hope on Jan 16, 2019 but ultimately that fell flat.

I sure hope the R5 has woke them up. If the Z9 rumour is even close to true they are going to get hit hard...Show more →

Well, don't forget June of 2019, when they released the 200-600. That is the reason you're still holding on to the a9, right?

Oct 07, 2020 at 03:17 PM

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Well, don't forget June of 2019, when they released the 200-600. That is the reason you're still holding on to the a9, right?

Their lenses are top notch and my 200-600 and 600GM are in my top three along with my Nikon 500PF. No issues with the lenses. And no issues with the A9 or A9II. I'm holding onto the A9II because it is still the best camera I've used (and the only ones I haven't used that may compete with it are D5/D6) for fast reaction to small, fast and erratic BIF. The R5 is not as good for that type of stuff.

I don't think the A7RIV is a bad camera. It just wasn't innovative in any way to me (for my subjects) despite the 61MPs (which was my one and only draw to it...mostly for the 26MP crop mode). The issues with the 200-600 were a problem. It's severe rolling shutter in ES is an issue for me.

The A9 was, and still is, just amazing tech and truly innovative/ground breaking. I can write a long list of things I don't like about the A9/A9II compared to other cameras but I can always do that with any camera.

Oct 07, 2020 at 03:27 PM

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