p.7 #1 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Fred Miranda wrote:
Main design differences between Sony A7 III and Sony A6600: https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/preview/sony-a6600-vs-a7iii/
Sony APS-C users have longed for "tri-nav" controls, i.e. having a third dial on the front of the grip, ever since the NEX-7 (circa 2011) had tri-nav.
Nikon and Canon don't follow this strategy at all with their mirrorless APS-C bodies. Their APS-C bodies have 3 dials. So Sony intentionally keeps the gap between APS-C and full frame wider than the other manufacturers.
p.7 #2 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Now that Sony is quite influential on this market maybe there'll be more options coming from other brands, a Nikon SPZ would be cool to see, maybe a little goofy with that mount but still something other than the same old faux-slr boredom
p.7 #3 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Assuming the specs are correct, I'm glad they didn't go with the a5xxx series body. And a pop-up EVF is better than an accessory EVF, but not by much. I'm still hoping SAR has it wrong.
p.7 #5 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
freaklikeme wrote:
Assuming the specs are correct, I'm glad they didn't go with the a5xxx series body. And a pop-up EVF is better than an accessory EVF, but not by much. I'm still hoping SAR has it wrong.
I'd be happy if they just fixed some of the warts on the original A7R. Love that camera size and weight...and that sensor sure is sweet.
p.7 #6 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
jhinkey wrote:
Sounds like it could be a challenger to my RX1RII - which would be great as long as these supposed compact primes are high quality optics - at least as good as the 35/2 on the RX1RII.
If it really is an A6600 style body is be keeping your rx1r3 even if you decide on the new guy as your primary body.
The A6600 is significantly bigger than the RX, and the body weighs about as much as the RX with lens!
And good though some compact interchangeable lenses would be, I can’t see a decent interchangeable 2/35 bring as small as the RX - if it’s any good it’s hard to see it being smaller than the 1.8/35. The RX sonnar has the benefit of elements right against the sensor...
p.7 #7 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
BokehBeauty wrote:
I have a similar type of pop-up EVF on my R1rii. Together with the diminutive size of the body, this thing is a nightmare in use at least for me as a glasses wearer. Never ever again such a waste of fun and consequently money.
I'm a glasses wearer, and I don't much mind the haptics of the rx1r2. I do generally push them off my face, having adjusted the diopter of the RX for my eyes though.
It might be a little worse for someone whose vision is heavily astigmatic or otherwise uncorrectable by the RX diopter.
p.7 #8 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
DavidBM wrote:
If it really is an A6600 style body is be keeping your rx1r3 even if you decide on the new guy as your primary body.
The A6600 is significantly bigger than the RX, and the body weighs about as much as the RX with lens!
And good though some compact interchangeable lenses would be, I can’t see a decent interchangeable 2/35 bring as small as the RX - if it’s any good it’s hard to see it being smaller than the 1.8/35. The RX sonnar has the benefit of elements right against the sensor...
This is true but many complain the RX1 series is way too small and not ergo friendly. Many RX1 shooters end up adding a grip to it, which increases the size and weight. We already have the FE 35/2.8 ZA and it could be a good match for the new A7C.
Rumors say we will get more compact lenses as well.
p.7 #9 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Fred Miranda wrote:
This is true but many complain the RX1 series is way too small and not ergo friendly. Many RX1 shooters end up adding a grip to it, which increases the size and weight. We already have the FE 35/2.8 ZA and it could be a good match for the new A7C.
Rumors say we will get more compact lenses as well.
Agree if you are someone that adds stuff or your RX the you will be more tempted by the new guy. Me, I have a very thin leather half case which makes my RX1R2 less slippery but almost no size or weight.
I hope we get more quality compact primes, like a reboot of the ZA series early primes, but my fear is very slow compact zooms ending in f6.3. Which aren’t of course useless, especially for landscape, if the quality is very high, but aren’t my cup of tea...
p.7 #10 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
DavidBM wrote:
If it really is an A6600 style body is be keeping your rx1r3 even if you decide on the new guy as your primary body.
The A6600 is significantly bigger than the RX, and the body weighs about as much as the RX with lens!
And good though some compact interchangeable lenses would be, I can’t see a decent interchangeable 2/35 bring as small as the RX - if it’s any good it’s hard to see it being smaller than the 1.8/35. The RX sonnar has the benefit of elements right against the sensor...
There are always trade-offs. Throw a 35mm 2.8 on the A6600 and your talking a whopping 120g more than the RX1rii. Not a big deal. And that's not counting a grip which most people installed on the RX1's. "Significantly bigger" I'd say is a stretch as well. Is the lens as good as the sonnar, no. But that combo it's still better than the RX1Riii
p.7 #11 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
DavidBM wrote:
Agree if you are someone that adds stuff or your RX the you will be more tempted by the new guy. Me, I have a very thin leather half case which makes my RX1R2 less slippery but almost no size or weight.
I hope we get more quality compact primes, like a reboot of the ZA series early primes, but my fear is very slow compact zooms ending in f6.3. Which aren’t of course useless, especially for landscape, if the quality is very high, but aren’t my cup of tea...
Which leather half case are you using? I have a grip as Fred says, but that adds quite some weight.
I‘m not against small, I have a Fuji X100T with a thumb grip, which I like so much more. It‘s comfortable to hold and you see the complete photo settings at one glance, no need to fiddle around with screens.
p.7 #12 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
The Sony RX1R II is 507 grams.
The original Sony A7 incl. batteries is 474 grams and the Samyang 35/2.8 is 85 grams, which adds up to 559 grams. This combo is only 52 grams heavier than the RX1RII.
p.7 #13 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
An A6600-sized A7C with the Sony 35/2.8 might have a similar weight to an RX1RII when you consider the pocketful of batteries you need to get through a longer day of shooting. I needed 5 extra batteries to get through a long day of shooting in a foreign city. That's 125g extra weight. With the much more powerful battery in my A7RIV (the same one supposedly used in the A7C), I can get through the whole day. And, I don't need to bring any chargers since I can just charge the camera using the same USB-C charger I already have along for my phone.
p.7 #14 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
bmupix wrote:
An A6600-sized A7C with the Sony 35/2.8 might have a similar weight to an RX1RII when you consider the pocketful of batteries you need to get through a longer day of shooting.
A6600 is the only APS-C body that uses the bigger Sony battery (same as FF).
p.7 #15 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
If the price is correct, its gonna be a hard sell as budget consious users will usually pick the lowest price, although Sony has a broader lens collection that might sway the equation towards them. I actually find the Nikon Z5 to strike a right balance between price and features, kudos to them.
I’d rather wait for the A7IV to replace my A7iii since it will likely be an essential upgrade: higher MP, EVF, focusing tech and 4k60. Besides I have large lenses, Sigma 35, Zony 50, Sigma 135 that balance oddly in small bodies. If you get it to suplement your A7x/A9 then it make sense.
p.7 #17 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
frezeiss wrote:
...Besides I have large lenses, Sigma 35, Zony 50, Sigma 135 that balance oddly in small bodies. If you get it to suplement your A7x/A9 then it make sense.
With those lenses, the larger A7/R/S bodies certainly seem to make more sense as a primary camera. My largest lens is the 24/1.4 GM which I normally just use for shorter sessions on the streets at night.
During the day, I would really welcome a lighter camera and lenses though. I often walk for many hours under the hot tropical sun and that's definitely more enjoyable with lighter gear.
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p.7 #18 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
p.7 #19 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
bmupix wrote:
With those lenses, the larger A7/R/S bodies certainly seem to make more sense as a primary camera. My largest lens is the 24/1.4 GM which I normally just use for shorter sessions on the streets at night.
During the day, I would really welcome a lighter camera and lenses though. I often walk for many hours under the hot tropical sun and that's definitely more enjoyable with lighter gear.
I am with you.
I often hike 10+ miles, I use nearly all RF lenses. Getting body that’s both lighter and less bulky is a huge benefit.
When I went to Guatemala for a week, I just opted to bring a RX1 due to size and hassle. If this body is as compact as I hope, I would now bring a dinky 21/35/75 trio.
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p.7 #20 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
I think we're on the same page about the fp. Using the LVF-11 finder is something one has to experience to understand just how amazing it is - especially for a manual focus junkie who needs a diopter like myself. But the bulk it adds is insane, so I often go without. A tilt LCD would have been very welcome.
I agree that this upcoming Sony should have a minimal / modular design without a bulky grip, but with the ability to add larger ones if so inclined.
I also *really* hope that it's not a new lens mount.
rps_23 wrote:
I almost didn't buy my Sigma fp due to it not having a viewfinder. I bought the loupe vf for it thinking it was absolutely necessary.
It was a bit of an adjustment at first, but outside of really bright light I have no issues (the vf attachment solves that if needed).
It's changed how I use the camera. Using the LCD has gotten me to move the camera more freely since my eye doesn't need to be attached to it. It works great for AF and MF. If I am close MF'ing I move the camera to focus in addition to adjusting the lens.
I would buy a small evf attachment if sigma made one though, for those bright situations. A pop up evf on the a7c would solve that "in case of emergency" vf need. The articulating screen also would be nice to have, making it easier to position the camera in different angles.
The only thing I don't like on the a7c (or a6k cams) is the grip. I prefer not having one, or adding what I want like I can on the fp. Having the grip kind of defeats it being "compact" imo.
