p.53 #1 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
mdvaden wrote:
But back to bodies, if a decent lens is used, the small size almost doesn't matter anymore. Why not pay a couple hundred extra and get the full meal deal of an A7 iii?
Today I learned the entire Loxia lineup, CV 180/4, CV 50/2 APO, 50/1.2, 40/1.2, 21/1.4, 21/3.5 and 10/12/15 and all rangefinder glass are not even decent lenses...
p.53 #2 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
mawz wrote:
Of course they could have implemented the new menu & touch system (and I know that Sony's claims that the new menu wouldn't work on the old processor is BS, menus are not high CPU/RAM items. The specific code might not work, but they could have implemented a better designed touch UI on the older hardware platform if they were willing to do the dev cycles)
Rapid iteration in product development requires a high degree of compartmentalization and reuse, which Sony is exceedingly good at. Asking them to rewrite the entire menu / UI system for a processor that doesn't support it would jeopardize ship times and quality of work, as well as being expensive as heck.
p.53 #3 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
lightskyland wrote:
Rapid iteration in product development requires a high degree of compartmentalization and reuse, which Sony is exceedingly good at. Asking them to rewrite the entire menu / UI system for a processor that doesn't support it would jeopardize ship times and quality of work, as well as being expensive as heck.
What rapid development cycle? Sony's done it elsewhere but not here.
The A7SIII was in development for years. It was originally expected to launch in 2018 when the A7SII was already 3 years old.
The A7III/A7RIII/A7C platform is 3+ years old and the issues with Sony's touch implementation date back to the A7RIII launch.
Unless the menu re-work was a late addition to the A7SIII development, doing a version which runs on the 3rd gen bodies should have been a no-brainer given that they've been catching all sorts of flak for the lousy touch functionality since the day the A7RIII launched in Oct 2017.
What we're dealing with here is re-implementing a system in a body that was in development for 5 or so years into a body that's re-using a 3 year old platform, to fix something that's been a known issue for 3 years. Unless the A7c was a complete rush job or the new menu was a very late addition to the A7SIII I can't see how it would impact the development times at all.
p.53 #4 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
For those (few?) who are not utterly disappointed by this camera and are actually considering getting it - what lenses are you considering using with this body.
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p.53 #6 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
curious80 wrote:
For those (few?) who are not utterly disappointed by this camera and are actually considering getting it - what lenses are you considering using with this body.
I would use it mostly with MF lenses designed for Sony E mount.
I would almost certainly use:
Loxia 21 f/2.8
Voigtlander 35 f/1.2 SE
I might use:
Voigtlander 15 f/4.5 III
Voigtlander 50 f/2 APO
Loxia 85 f/2.4
I might use these Leica M lenses adapted to Sony E mount:
Laowa 14 f/4
Leica M 28 f/2 Asph (newest version)
Voigtlander 75 f/1.5
Leica M 135 f/3.4 APO
MS-Optics 135 f/2.4 APO
Yes, and I think the type of vlogging means that, basically, any lens is kind of 'on the table'. The content creators I know and follow are pretty practical people; they're content first, gear second. Very much 'tool users' and their interest is only in getting their content to look as good as possible. The whole 'camera at arm's length' paradigm is only part of the equation. Many people aren't that type of vlogger. If it's, for example, cakes and cake decorating, it's indoors, studio and moderately wide to macro. Same goes for arts/crafts type stuff...lighting and close focus ability are much more of a consideration.
I think Sony isn't as off base as some think on this camera. It's intriguing for me, but not overly tempting. But for someone who is looking to take some photos and create some content, I'd have no problem recommending this camera to them. A lot of vloggers or content creators already have their camera systems and since I think they're more gear agnostic than your average serious hobbyist, they're unlikely to change or upgrade if what they have now is working for them. But if someone is looking to get serious about good looking content or are looking to upgrade from a basic camera, I think the A7C is worth a look and some consideration.
p.53 #8 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
curious80 wrote:
For those (few?) who are not utterly disappointed by this camera and are actually considering getting it - what lenses are you considering using with this body.
Primarily:
Contax G 21
CV 35/2
CV 35/1.2iii
31ltd
ZM 50/1.5
MS-Optics 73 1.5
Samyang 75 1.8
Contax G 90
I’ll also use my other Tamron 17-28, GM 24 or longer lenses like an 80-200 or 100/2 depending on the AF performance and usage context.
Essentially, my lenses won’t change, but my kit will be smaller
p.53 #9 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
curious80 wrote:
For those (few?) who are not utterly disappointed by this camera and are actually considering getting it - what lenses are you considering using with this body.
FE35 1.8, CV40, SY75, Loxia 21
I also own the 85GM, sigma 35 1.2, Tamron 70-180, and sigma 14-24. Those will be used on my a7riv.
p.53 #10 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Dave Sanders wrote:
Yes, and I think the type of vlogging means that, basically, any lens is kind of 'on the table'. The content creators I know and follow are pretty practical people; they're content first, gear second. Very much 'tool users' and their interest is only in getting their content to look as good as possible. The whole 'camera at arm's length' paradigm is only part of the equation. Many people aren't that type of vlogger. If it's, for example, cakes and cake decorating, it's indoors, studio and moderately wide to macro. Same goes for arts/crafts type stuff...lighting and close focus ability are much more of a consideration.
I think Sony isn't as off base as some think on this camera. It's intriguing for me, but not overly tempting. But for someone who is looking to take some photos and create some content, I'd have no problem recommending this camera to them. A lot of vloggers or content creators already have their camera systems and since I think they're more gear agnostic than your average serious hobbyist, they're unlikely to change or upgrade if what they have now is working for them. But if someone is looking to get serious about good looking content or are looking to upgrade from a basic camera, I think the A7C is worth a look and some consideration. ...Show more →
I had a zoom HH with a friend of mine who runs a "vlog" with his wife...anyway since Sony released the firmware that allows me to use my cameras as a webcam I've been doing that and have a hotshoe LED panel for lighting. But not only did he have a high quality video screen, the lighting was on point across the whole frame. I asked him what his set up was and his camera is some sort of sony a6xxx. But he was lighting the entire room with portable shop lights he strategically placed, and he had an led light inside a softbox for a fill light.
This guy is not your typical gear-head at all...he and is wife are more the creative types...not the technical types. But they do have an eye for production quality, so while they may not geek out on the latest specs, they do appreciate better quality content. They moved from cellphones, to action cams, to stabilized aps-c cameras because of the bump in quality of the final product. This is where the path to FF for vloggers has appeal, as often their videos take them out of the house an out in the world where the lighting isn't always ideal.
I think a lot of us see these videos on youtube and assume its just some guy/girl with a camera shooting selfies. But just like people don't always appreciate the thought, work, and methods behind taking a photo, I don't think we give these vloggers enough credit either.
p.53 #11 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Mystik wrote:
I had a zoom HH with a friend of mine who runs a "vlog" with his wife...anyway since Sony released the firmware that allows me to use my cameras as a webcam I've been doing that and have a hotshoe LED panel for lighting. But not only did he have a high quality video screen, the lighting was on point. I asked him what his set up was and his camera is some sort of sony a6xxx. But he was lighting the entire room with portable shop lights he strategically placed, and he had an led light inside a softbox for a fill light.
This guy is not your typical gear-head at all...he and is wife are more the creative types...not the technical types. But they do have an eye for production quality, so while they may not geek out on the latest specs, they do appreciate better quality content. They moved from cellphones, to action cams, to stabilized aps-c cameras because of the bump in quality of the final product. This is where the path to FF for vloggers has appeal, as often their videos take them out of the house an out in the world where the lighting isn't always ideal.
This completely mirrors my experience with my friends/acquaintances who vlog/create content. Content first, usually with a pretty clear vision how they want the final product to look. Then find stuff that works. Lights from home depot, maybe a budget setup from local store or eBay. I find they're usually passionate about what they're doing so they want that to translate into good looking content; it could be travel, food, baking, animal rescue...heck, I even know someone who does hunting/fishing type stuff.
The move up the camera food chain that you describe is pretty bang on. I have two friends who are serious mountain men...hiking, camping, snow boarding, mountain biking...the 'camera man' of the duo is currently on his GoPro and an A7II that he picked up. I could see him unifying his video and photography on something like an A7C.
p.53 #12 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Something I don't quite understand...
The A7C was designed to be as compact as possible but why not borrowing the 5-year-old viewfinder from the RX1R II?
It's a 2.6-dot with 0.74x magnification. (!!)
p.53 #13 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Fred Miranda wrote:
Something I don't quite understand...
The A7C was designed to be as compact as possible but why not borrowing the 5-year-old viewfinder from the RX1R II?
It's a 2.6-dot with 0.74x magnification. (!!)
Yes, they must have had their reasons...though I'm not sure any of them would be good enough
I was really hoping that the A7C would drive down the used prices of that RX1R II...I guess I shouldn't hold my breath.
p.53 #15 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Fred Miranda wrote:
Something I don't quite understand...
The A7C was designed to be as compact as possible but why not borrowing the 5-year-old viewfinder from the RX1R II?
It's a 2.6-dot with 0.74x magnification. (!!)
p.53 #16 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Fred Miranda wrote:
Something I don't quite understand...
The A7C was designed to be as compact as possible but why not borrowing the 5-year-old viewfinder from the RX1R II?
It's a 2.6-dot with 0.74x magnification. (!!)
if you look from the top, the cutout from the RX1 evf perfectly fits on top of the a7c and it's quite safe from the sensor module area. but speculating here that might've been the LCD, they wanted to keep the same 7III LCD that's 3:2, other than switching to the 16:9 from the a6x00 and ZV1 series that looks smaller at first but when filming it crops to the 16:9 anyway, I wish some reviewer had the courage to ask that to Sony but demand a clear answer
p.53 #17 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
I think they just threw in this EVF to persuade the “no EVF, no buy” segment. I suspect that it was originally planned as a LCD only cam.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Something I don't quite understand...
The A7C was designed to be as compact as possible but why not borrowing the 5-year-old viewfinder from the RX1R II?
It's a 2.6-dot with 0.74x magnification. (!!)
p.53 #18 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
curious80 wrote:
For those (few?) who are not utterly disappointed by this camera and are actually considering getting it - what lenses are you considering using with this body.
MF:
CV 21
CV 35/40
CV 75 (hopefully Voigtlander does a native version as I am thinking about selling and going all native mount on this one)
AF:
Sigma 45
Thinking about getting a 16-35/4 or something else for video. I also want something small-ish on the long end (135+), but can't make up my mind.
p.53 #19 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Fred Miranda wrote:
Something I don't quite understand...
The A7C was designed to be as compact as possible but why not borrowing the 5-year-old viewfinder from the RX1R II?
It's a 2.6-dot with 0.74x magnification. (!!)
The RX1R II is $1400 more expensive, has no weather sealing, no lens mount, no ibis, and a tiny battery that all enable more design possibilities.
Sep 17, 2020 at 02:05 PM
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p.53 #20 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Fred Miranda wrote:
Something I don't quite understand...
The A7C was designed to be as compact as possible but why not borrowing the 5-year-old viewfinder from the RX1R II?
It's a 2.6-dot with 0.74x magnification. (!!)
I think there are several ways they could have had a higher magnification EVF in this camera, and we will probably never know why they didn't go with any of them. I really want the camera to be small and light, but the EVF is the one thing I wish they would not have compromised on. Go ahead and make it bigger, but at least get a .7X mag 2.36 million dot EVF in there. Even if they had to make it 3mm taller and 25g heavier and charge $200 more, personally I would want a 3.6 million dot .7X mag EVF. I think it is a camera that very few of us would want exactly like Sony made it, however, and the question that each of us needs to ask is whether it is close enough to what we wanted to live with the compromises. I'm not sure I can live with the compromises of the EVF, so I will check it out and see, but I am optimistic that I will be able to do so.
