p.54 #1 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
My guess is that the physical constraint and other components inside the camera created a technical hurdle.
If this is to be a series camera, Sony will likely work on solving this issue and update the viewfinder in future models.
p.54 #2 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Definitely a smart move by Sony, may be the 2nd gen will address most of the issues of current version. But definitely this is not for me now, I'm totally fine carrying another 145 grams of weight on a slightly bigger body without compromising viewfinder, extra card slot, all the customizable button and more!
p.54 #3 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
curious80 wrote:
For those (few?) who are not utterly disappointed by this camera and are actually considering getting it - what lenses are you considering using with this body.
Similar kit as I've used on my A7, A7R2, and NEX:
- Voigtlander 35/1.7
- Sony FE 28/2
- Contax G 45/2
- Contax G 90/2.8
p.54 #4 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Really a pretty good camera. Yes, it won't match every spec of the other ~$2000 full frame cameras, but that's the price for compactness. I'm glad a company finally designed a small rangefinder style full frame.
There's a reason why I referred to handheld vlogging, which is one specific shooting style that most vloggers use for at least some of their content. When they're shooting things other than themselves, or shooting themselves from a camera position other than handheld, of course other lenses are used.
You want a 20-24mm equivalent ideally for shooting yourself handheld with arm extended. 18 is usable, but too much wider is too wide and longer can result the shot being too tight. There's a reason why 16-35's and the Sony 20/1.8 are very popular for this use and a major reason why Panasonic's 20-60 goes out to 20mm.
p.54 #6 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
What I've done for vacations in the past is take:
RX1RII
A7RIII
16/3.5 AI Nikkor
20mm/3.5 CV
85mm/4 ZM
135mm/3.4 APO Telyt
So my RX1RII is my 35mm that I take most of my images with and the A7RIII is the wide and tele camera. If either camera dies I have something to take picture with.
I suppose the A7C could replace my A7RIII to make the kit a bit smaller and lighter, but I'd still take the RX1RII since there is no better fast compact 35mm focal length lens.
p.54 #7 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
dereken wrote:
Really a pretty good camera. Yes, it won't match every spec of the other ~$2000 full frame cameras, but that's the price for compactness. I'm glad a company finally designed a small rangefinder style full frame.
Interesting to read about (hopefully not just perceived) improvements to peaking. In my use on the A7rII, it was always too "loose" with the highlights for fast lenses. Subjects would look in-focus, but reviewing later revealed it was not. I'll look forward to some more in-hand reports about this.
It's also encouraging to not hear a complaint about the viewfinder size from someone who is using manual rangefinder lenses.
p.54 #8 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
mawz wrote:
There's a reason why I referred to handheld vlogging, which is one specific shooting style that most vloggers use for at least some of their content. When they're shooting things other than themselves, or shooting themselves from a camera position other than handheld, of course other lenses are used.
You want a 20-24mm equivalent ideally for shooting yourself handheld with arm extended. 18 is usable, but too much wider is too wide and longer can result the shot being too tight. There's a reason why 16-35's and the Sony 20/1.8 are very popular for this use and a major reason why Panasonic's 20-60 goes out to 20mm. ...Show more →
Like I said, there's a lot of misconceptions on this thread. I'll leave it at that, you believe what you want to believe .
p.54 #9 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
jhinkey wrote:
What I've done for vacations in the past is take:
RX1RII
A7RIII
16/3.5 AI Nikkor
20mm/3.5 CV
85mm/4 ZM
135mm/3.4 APO Telyt
So my RX1RII is my 35mm that I take most of my images with and the A7RIII is the wide and tele camera. If either camera dies I have something to take picture with.
I suppose the A7C could replace my A7RIII to make the kit a bit smaller and lighter, but I'd still take the RX1RII since there is no better fast compact 35mm focal length lens.
How do you like using the RX1rII for the 35mm, given your A7rIII has better AF and a few other features? Does the Eye-AF work well enough for you, even though you have to hold a button to engage it?
I could imagine getting an A7c + Sony 35/2.8 for pretty close to a used RX1rII price, and you'd have the advantage of the upgraded AF system
p.54 #10 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
grahamgibson wrote:
How do you like using the RX1rII for the 35mm, given your A7rIII has better AF and a few other features? Does the Eye-AF work well enough for you, even though you have to hold a button to engage it?
I could imagine getting an A7c + Sony 35/2.8 for pretty close to a used RX1rII price, and you'd have the advantage of the upgraded AF system
For vacation stuff the RX1RII AF works perfectly fine for me. Eye AF and all. Yes it's a good step behind my A7RIII on its worst day, but unlike what some people indicate, it's totally workable. I don't photograph people running around, kids, action, etc. with it so it's just fine. I much prefer the images from it than my compact, but not so optically great 35/2.8 Zony on my A7RIII. I've also figured out how to get a battery to last a couple of days or longer, so that's not really an issue. I know the EVF is a major step down from the A7RIII, but it's still way workable/usable.
For what I do at my age I much prefer compact primes at any focal length and compact lightweight camera bodies. What's swinging around my neck for hours on end is far more important than having a zoom capability with a large-ish, heavy-ish lens attached to the body.
The one thing I have done is install one of the light weight grips to help hold onto it, but sometimes I leave that at home too.
p.54 #11 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
RayinNY wrote:
Like I said, there's a lot of misconceptions on this thread. I'll leave it at that, you believe what you want to believe .
Have you actually done this? Or do you follow many vloggers?
I've tested this myself and follow quite a number of vloggers. Almost all of them use the handheld camera at the end of their arm for at least some of their work.
There's a couple exceptions in the vloggers I follow, but they tend to be folks who use only set piece setups for their content (noted law vlogger Steve Lehto for example does 99% of his work on a single set with 1 camera on a tripod)
24 is tight but usable, 18-20 is nice, 28 is too tight, 16 getting too wide unless you want a big background
Note even in the link you provided the guy used a lens in this range for a lot of his work (16-35, 12-24 or 24-240 at the wide end in his case).
The first segment shot in this video by the guy you linked shows exactly this sort of work. He's using a wide (20-24mm or equivalent) on a selfie stick or handgrip for exactly the sort of work I'm talking about (the fan bit before Louis comes on is doing exactly the same, but probably on a phone or action cam based on quality). He switches up shot styles, but all the video I watched (the first 20% or so) is clearly shot around that exact focal length. Even the video thumbnail is showing that sort of setup (20-24mm at arms length)
It's the third or fourth link on his stream right now.
p.54 #12 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
grahamgibson wrote:
Interesting to read about (hopefully not just perceived) improvements to peaking. In my use on the A7rII, it was always too "loose" with the highlights for fast lenses. Subjects would look in-focus, but reviewing later revealed it was not. I'll look forward to some more in-hand reports about this.
It's also encouraging to not hear a complaint about the viewfinder size from someone who is using manual rangefinder lenses.
I wonder what the improvements in peaking are. I actually tend to rely more on focus peaking than magnification...I don't like losing view of the frame when focusing. For me its less about magnifying a specific point and turning the ring until it is sharp....its more about seeing where the focal plan is and moving the ring to place it on my subject. With focus peaking I just need to be able to see where the focal plane is clearly.
p.54 #13 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
What I can't get over is how perfect this camera would be as a digital back on a an older Cambo Actus with the wide angle bellows. The BSI sensor should eliminate the cross-talk issues I used to get with the original a7 and the Rodenstock APO-Grandagon 45. It was such a fun combination for panos. I still have the wide-angle bellows. All I'd really need is a rail and the front standard.
p.54 #14 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
freaklikeme wrote:
What I can get over is how perfect this camera would be as a digital back on a an older Cambo Actus with the wide angle bellows. The BSI sensor should eliminate the cross-talk issues I used to get with the original a7 and the Rodenstock APO-Grandagon 45. It was such a fun combination for panos. I still have the wide-angle bellows. All I'd really need is a rail and the front standard.
p.54 #15 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
shibutg wrote:
Definitely a smart move by Sony, may be the 2nd gen will address most of the issues of current version. But definitely this is not for me now, I'm totally fine carrying another 145 grams of weight on a slightly bigger body without compromising viewfinder, extra card slot, all the customizable button and more!
I'm not so confident they'll address all the key issues right on the next camera, I don't even think they might touch the design for years, would be glad to be proven wrong
p.54 #16 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
mawz wrote:
Have you actually done this? Or do you follow many vloggers?
I've tested this myself and follow quite a number of vloggers. Almost all of them use the handheld camera at the end of their arm for at least some of their work.
There's a couple exceptions in the vloggers I follow, but they tend to be folks who use only set piece setups for their content (noted law vlogger Steve Lehto for example does 99% of his work on a single set with 1 camera on a tripod)
24 is tight but usable, 18-20 is nice, 28 is too tight, 16 getting too wide unless you want a big background
Note even in the link you provided the guy used a lens in this range for a lot of his work (16-35, 12-24 or 24-240 at the wide end in his case).
The first segment shot in this video by the guy you linked shows exactly this sort of work. He's using a wide (20-24mm or equivalent) on a selfie stick or handgrip for exactly the sort of work I'm talking about (the fan bit before Louis comes on is doing exactly the same, but probably on a phone or action cam based on quality). He switches up shot styles, but all the video I watched (the first 20% or so) is clearly shot around that exact focal length. Even the video thumbnail is showing that sort of setup (20-24mm at arms length)
It's the third or fourth link on his stream right now.
p.54 #17 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
curious80 wrote:
For those (few?) who are not utterly disappointed by this camera and are actually considering getting it - what lenses are you considering using with this body.
All my lenses are compact, so this body is definitely what I was hoping for (sure, I’d prefer the missing features from the A7iii and a lower price, oh well). Will likely wait for a sale, but this would make for a nice upgrade to my A7ii.
My lenses are: Sony 28mm f2, 35mm 2.8, 55mm 1.8, 85mm 1.8 and Tamron 28-75.
p.54 #19 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
I am one that has been asking for a smaller FF body from Sony for a long time, I disliked that every A7 update made the cameras heavier and larger (came from a NEX7)
Was quite excited by the rumours, but the materialised product is a disappointment for me.
I currently have both A7III and A6400 with a (too) large lens collection, but strangely the A7C would not improve on any of my camera use cases or work well with my lens collection. Was thinking of replacing the A7III with the A7C and upgrading the A6400 with an A7RIII or IV (A6400 is used for more reach with wildlife and when going lightweight)
When I like to go small and light, I usually make use of two sets:
(i) A7III with Sigma 45 F2.8 as a one-lens solution. Yes, the A7C version of this kit would be about 150g lighter, but am I willing to pay the extra money for this? All of my bags for this kit handle the larger A7III just fine.
(ii) A6400 with 24mm 1.4 GM and 55mm 1.8 ZA - this is even harder, as I do not see any FF lens options giving me the image quality of this combo, while not increasing the weight & size of the overall package. And the A6400 has the better viewfinder...
I have as well the Samyang 18mm and 75mm AF lenses, couple that with the new 35mm 1.8 and it would be a decent, lightweight kit. But nothing too exciting, and matching these cheaper lenses with a new $2000 body feels a bit strange to me.
The other bit is that I moved to FF mainly for lowlight performance. My 35mm ZA 1.4 and 85 mm Samyang 1.4 need the larger body of the A7III with the Sony Grip Extension (gp-x1em, might seem expensive, but brings ergonomics with these larger lenses to a whole different level) to be used comfortably. So if I went the A7C/A7rIV route, the best low-light sensor would be in a body not well matched with these 1.4 primes.
So at the moment I think the A7C is not for me, even though I always asked for a smaller FF body. I'll wait for the A7IV announcement and likely a second version of this body might be more interesting. Would even have preferred an a5100/canon cos m6 approach with an external viewfinder over this lousy built-in EVF...
So lots of head scratching at the moment. I dig the real-time tracking, as said in the dpreview review, it bascially eliminates the need for a joystick, but for that alone and the smaller size I do not see me ditching my A7III.
p.54 #20 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Sorry if this has already be concluded, but is it true that this camera has no option to disable EFCS? Besides bokeh issues, this can also present a major issue when stitching panoramas at higher shutter speeds. The ND grad effect causes a stepping from shot to shot that messing things up. Going electron shutter helps the ND grad effect but ruins DR.
