p.44 #1 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Is part of this camera's raison d'etre to get axxxx shooters to full frame and e-mount? New adapter out, etc.?
I wish it were cheaper, I'd like 36 MP, and since I am a left eye person mostly the rangefinder look, while pretty, could be annoying. The accompanying lens is too slow for me although for vlogging I can see it working.
p.44 #2 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
I'm sure this will appeal to some people. Could be a good camera for my better half.
With that said, I think the size and weight savings within a kit will be sorely over rated. For me, it's about when I'm carrying everything.
For example, if you only carry a - 20mm 1.8, 55 1.8, and 85 batis - a pretty small kit - the A7c over the A7III wold save you... 8% weight and about 10% volume. Is that worth it? I'd rather have a real viewfinder.
p.44 #3 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Craig Gillette wrote:
Hmmh. The LCD rear panel is much more "square" than the A6400. Now the A6400 display doesn't fill the panel but this looks like some empty space on the new panel even if the display is the same width. Maybe they could have had room with a shorter panel?? Also was comparing to mine with a SmallRig L bracket. That side flip panel will be a problem for an L bracket.
I think the issue on the a7c isn't the LCD panel, taking a look at the side view from the I/O side, you can see that the EVF module barely misses the sensor, so to house bigger optics it would have to be pushed back, almost out of the camera or out. I don't think it's possible to correct that other taking it out and making a add-on evf
p.44 #4 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
knshshnk wrote:
I think the issue on the a7c isn't the LCD panel, taking a look at the side view from the I/O side, you can see that the EVF module barely misses the sensor, so to house bigger optics it would have to be pushed back, almost out of the camera or out. I don't think it's possible to correct that other taking it out and making a add-on evf
Or you could add some sort of hump in the middle...
p.44 #5 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Faraday wrote:
Is part of this camera's raison d'etre to get axxxx shooters to full frame and e-mount? New adapter out, etc.?
I wish it were cheaper, I'd like 36 MP, and since I am a left eye person mostly the rangefinder look, while pretty, could be annoying. The accompanying lens is too slow for me although for vlogging I can see it working.
I think the new adapter is some heroic almost last gasp to tell us they remember the Maxxum/Alpha family. IIRC and it's been a while, competitive and/or consumer priced lenses, especially but not only third party, availability was one of the reasons I moved to Nikon. I don't think it's really comparable to the desire of Canon and Nikon to retain their dlsr users. The A6xxx users are already E mount. For the most part, going ff is a start over or start new process One generally ends up needing a new body and few lenses make the carryover.
The A7Rii is still an inviting higher resolution possibility, too. I like small, having the A6400 and a couple of lenses. If wanting/needing larger lenses, a small body may not be as desirable.
p.44 #6 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Fred Miranda wrote:
...but I would have preferred if they borrowed the A6600's viewfinder (at a minimal 0.70x mag. + 2.6m-dot res.)
I just read on a swedish forum from a guy that has tried the camera, that it is the same VF as in the a6600. Don't know if it's true or not. OTOH it would make very little sense to make it as small as in the RX100 cameras.
p.44 #7 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Makten wrote:
I just read on a swedish forum from a guy that has tried the camera, that it is the same VF as in the a6600. Don't know if it's true or not. OTOH it would make very little sense to make it as small as in the RX100 cameras.
It is the same in regards to resolution (same 2.6m-dot resolution) but the magnification is slightly lower (0.70x vs 0.59x).
0.59x is used by the latest RX100 cameras and 0.70x is used by the A6600 and other A6000 series bodies.
p.44 #8 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Such a tempting camera as it'd be great for casual family stuff and travel....but then again I feel like my A7R3 is as well...and I'm not sure I'd see any benefits in carrying/transporting this vs. my A7R3.
But that said, I'd still like a 2nd body again, primarily for travel/landscapes...and if this had a better viewfinder or 36-42MP, I'd still buy it.
And even with those reservations, I have 2 trips coming up where this camera and a small prime (CV 21 3.5 or 35 2.8) would be perfect for casual stuff, and it'd fit in the wife's purse without complaint for walking around Miami and Key West. BUT- it's not available until 10/29, which means it won't be here in time anyways, so that reduces the temptation for now.
p.44 #9 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
chez wrote:
For most of the subjects I shoot, either I need the faster shutter speed to stop subject motion, or I'm shooting off a tripod at base ISO. I agree IBIS is helpful in certain situations...but for me that is not often.
Yes, it depends on what one shoots and how one likes to shoot. Dim indoor lighting and candids are where I do the shooting that is most important to me.
p.44 #10 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Justin Stone wrote:
TLR This new camera is solving problems that don’t really exist and introducing new problems solved by older cameras.
I understand that some of you are not interested in this camera. That is fine. For other of us, it absolutely does solve a problem - we want a compact FF Sony E-mount camera, and this gives us that!
p.44 #11 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Why is it so expensive? Because it is 'good-looking'. But it's a blunder none the less, their first in quite some time. I suspect they know it. They are now victims of their own expertise in small camera design. Despite an industry-wide assault Sony stands atop the podium, with a 657 gram 61mp camera and over 100 lenses. We may find that another team is responsible for this new one.
Within a centimetre or so, all the FF mirrorless followed Sony's lead in placement of the a7 EVF, no coincidences. You need balance here, and room for the right hand to (i) work the controls, (ii) be close enough to share the weight hold.
I used one of these Fujis below for a while, not so bad for a left-eye like me, can't imagine doing this with a right-eye view like this guy:
Rifle scopes sit right above the barrel for the same basic ergo reason. Camera edge VFs only work with small camera/lens combos, even then the user is forced to have a delicate hold to accommodate the camera, not the other way around.
Look at any Leica M being handheld to see this very clearly. Most right-eyes scrunge up their face to close their left eye, quite off-putting for the subject and not exactly stealth. Right-eyes can now buy an a7c and try shooting it with a Sigma 35/1.2 or similar to get the full effect.
p.44 #14 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
philip_pj wrote:
Look at any Leica M being handheld to see this very clearly. Most right-eyes scrunge up their face to close their left eye, quite off-putting for the subject and not exactly stealth.
This is incorrect. Any experienced Leica M user focuses with both eyes open, simultaneously focusing with the right eye and maintaining one’s awareness of the surroundings or one’s connection with the subject (should the latter be desired) with the left.
p.44 #15 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
This is only applicable to a few lenses (28/35/50). The M is limited use interchangeable lens camera that way.
I simply can not see this happening with a 135mm mounted.
genji wrote:
This is simply wrong. Any experienced Leica M user focuses with both eyes open, simultaneously focusing with the right eye and maintaining one’s awareness of the surroundings or one’s connection with the subject (should the latter be desired) with the left.
p.44 #16 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
lightskyland wrote:
I understand that some of you are not interested in this camera. That is fine. For other of us, it absolutely does solve a problem - we want a compact FF Sony E-mount camera, and this gives us that!
In my opinion, the A7C has the same appeal as the RX1 cameras. One has a fixed lens (and a great one) and the other has an interchangeable mount.
What they have in comum is a full frame sensor and a super compact body with no competition in sight -- hence their high pricing. If you are looking for better ergonomics, higher resolution, advanced video capabilities or highly customizable buttons, look somewhere else because the A7C was not made for you. However, if you value compactness and want a full frame sensor instead of APS-C, perhaps this camera is the perfect match for your FF small primes.
Personally I am too spoiled by Sony's high MP sensors (42 and 61MP) and that's the only reason I'm not getting one. But if Sony is brave enough to release a A7CR version with higher resolution sensor and EVF, I'm all in.
p.44 #17 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Craig Gillette wrote:
Hmmh. The LCD rear panel is much more "square" than the A6400. Now the A6400 display doesn't fill the panel but this looks like some empty space on the new panel even if the display is the same width. Maybe they could have had room with a shorter panel?? Also was comparing to mine with a SmallRig L bracket. That side flip panel will be a problem for an L bracket.
The LCD is more square on A7c because it is a regular 3:2 aspect ratio 3" LCD. The A6xxx uses a 16:9 aspect ratio LCD. So even though technically A6400 LCD is still 3" because the diagonal is 3", the height is much lower. When you view the native 3:2 images on the A6xxx LCD screen, you get black bars on the side and the displayed image size is much smaller than a typical 3:2 aspect ratio 3" LCD. You have to make a tradeoff one way or the other.
p.44 #18 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Small size = poor ergonomics is a false dichotomy (seems some are quick to defend vs criticism of the A7C body design and Sony APSC ergonomics citing redemptive value of its size)
Ricoh GR proves the point. It is tiny, yet one of the best cameras I’ve ever used from a usability perspective. Highly customizable, easy to adapt to different use cases. Certainly highest ratio usability/volume camera I’ve ever used. Some of the Panasonic cameras are up there as well. It isn’t just the physical interface (eg more buttons and dials) but the combination of software and physical controls.
Sony has learned a lot (I think my A7RIV is great in this respect though they could do a lot more on software side) but my uninformed opinion is that they could have done much better with the A7C.
Feels like product management had a low nuance paternalistic conception of their vlogger/ street photographer target user. Will be interesting to see how it does in that market.
And i still hope a premium compact is coming. I’d be way more interested in a proper RX1 ILC successor at $1k more and a set of 3-4 premium lenses to match.
p.44 #19 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Schlotkins wrote:
I'm sure this will appeal to some people. Could be a good camera for my better half.
With that said, I think the size and weight savings within a kit will be sorely over rated. For me, it's about when I'm carrying everything.
For example, if you only carry a - 20mm 1.8, 55 1.8, and 85 batis - a pretty small kit - the A7c over the A7III wold save you... 8% weight and about 10% volume. Is that worth it? I'd rather have a real viewfinder.
Chris
It's not what's in your pack...but what you are carrying in your hands. I know I can tell the difference when I use the A7R3 versus the A7R.
It's like saying using hiking shoes that weigh an extra pound each is really not a big deal because your pack already weighs 40 lbs and adding another two pounds is only 5% more. Let me know after a day of trekking if you notice that 5% attached to your feet.
p.44 #20 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Honestly, this camera is not that much more compact than A7 iii. It doesn't have the hump which I actually favor but otherwise, we are not here comparing an A7 camera to a chunky dslr or to Panasonic S1. I do appreciate the weight difference (between A7 iii and A7c) even though it is not that big and I do appreciate the size reduction even if it is not much significant. Calling this a 'new concept' is a new concept by itself! Anyway, here is a funny take on the new A7c:
