p.43 #1 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Here’s the thing about being excited about v2 gear before v1 gears even ships, it’s going to be a very long wait. This pandemic, more than ever, has revealed to me that we don’t have much time. To my way of thinking, the a7r4 and a9 cameras are real and available today and proven. Both are a good value. Both are small compared to their predecessor slrs. The a7s3 appears to be an incredible camera too for video work.
TLR This new camera is solving problems that don’t really exist and introducing new problems solved by older cameras.
joelRichards wrote:
Amen! I just hope there's enough interest that this doesn't become a one-and-done product for Sony. I am proportionately as excited for version 2 as I am disappointed in version 1. My only lingering concern is I hate side-flip screens and I'm worried that's now going to be a permanent part of Sony's cameras–at least his model.
p.43 #3 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
I've avoided peeking until the pre-order was announced. But now that I have, I have to say that I don't get it. Not at that price point. Do...not...understand. I'm guessing that might explain the 43 pages here. I bet there's got to be people scratching their heads.
p.43 #4 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Okay, I'll bite. What don't you understand?
letchhausen wrote:
I've avoided peeking until the pre-order was announced. But now that I have, I have to say that I don't get it. Not at that price point. Do...not...understand. I'm guessing that might explain the 43 pages here. I bet there's got to be people scratching their heads.
p.43 #6 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Justin Stone wrote:
Hate to say it, but the video AF in Tony and Chelsea’s video is dog food grade.
Im going to adopt you . I have not looked and I never will
Anyway like Holger and others that shoot events , I really never even think about IBIS. Im not the issue im a freaking rock, you should see me on the shooting range. Im freaking good.
Its not about me but about subject and sometimes its a very fine line. I shoot a lot of podium corporate work under no real lighting and to even stop someones jaw from moving its a very delicate balance. I can tell you this even on my LCD playback I can pick up the movement in a split second. Sometimes just going from 1/125th to 160th can make a world of difference . Subject is always the issue but you need to be on your game too. Use a monopod or a tripod if your having YOU issues. Its why we test not only a lens but hand held where is the balance. Sure I guess IBIS helps but practice on YOU and not depend on it.
p.43 #8 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Just for shits I pre ordered it through Amazon which is a easy cancel and I most likely will. But If I can figure out a good use for it which I have but I dont shoot vlogging but my staff does. But if it could be a good vacation type kit than maybe worth it for me. Im going on vacation so ill think about it in between cocktails.
p.43 #9 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
I pre-ordered one. Its a bit more than I wanted to spend so we'll see if I change my mind. Photography business is in the gutter right now because of COVID so family photography is my priority. Might sell the a7rIII for now till things turn around. (I still have my a7rIV)
For me, I still have a stock A7r and a Kolari Thin sensor modded camera, but I use these cameras for use with my MF M-mount and Leica R lenses, so these will still be my cameras of choice for those lenses. That is with the exception of my UT Kolari modded A7rII which I use particularly with my MF M-mount wide angle lenses and other Leica M lenses. For my AF long zoom lenses, I use my stock A7rIII and my Kolari UT modded A7rII as my second body.
p.43 #15 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
chiron wrote:
I understand that people always say IS does nothing for moving subjects and so doesn't work with people who are not posing. I think this is only partially true.
First, when shooting people in candid settings, there is almost always a moment of of pause, even with an active and energetic child. IS is useful if one uses those moments of pause and can markedly increase the number of keepers and of very sharp images.
The second point I am uncertain and speculating about: I would assume that sources of movement blur are additive, so if your subject moves a little and your hand moves a little, the two movements are additive and produce a greater degree of complex blur. In those situations, it may be that IS can eliminate one of the sources of blur and may result in a higher proportion of useable images--especially if one is shooting for a moment of pause. ...Show more →
We of course use those moments if they present themselves. However, there is a minimum SS even there, as humans aren't completely still, suddenly move slightly by turning their head, close their eyes. One often is at large apertures with small DOF. In my experience it often isn't worth risking it. I usually do that only if I know I have the image I wanted and have time to experiment. Most of the time with nowadays cameras, the available light or flash, you don't need to risk it at all.
p.43 #16 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
My min shutter speed is locked at 1/125s. Hit rate is too low if I go slower than that because of subject movement, so in most cases IBIS is actually pretty useless to me.
p.43 #17 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
GMPhotography wrote:
Im going to adopt you . I have not looked and I never will
Anyway like Holger and others that shoot events , I really never even think about IBIS. Im not the issue im a freaking rock, you should see me on the shooting range. Im freaking good.
Its not about me but about subject and sometimes its a very fine line. I shoot a lot of podium corporate work under no real lighting and to even stop someones jaw from moving its a very delicate balance. I can tell you this even on my LCD playback I can pick up the movement in a split second. Sometimes just going from 1/125th to 160th can make a world of difference . Subject is always the issue but you need to be on your game too. Use a monopod or a tripod if your having YOU issues. Its why we test not only a lens but hand held where is the balance. Sure I guess IBIS helps but practice on YOU and not depend on it....Show more →
Exactly.
Regarding Covid, we are now close to normal again. We lost approximately half a year in income as events were canceled, but could compensate partly via couple/family shootings.
Luckily I have a very good main job, but quite a few of our fellow photographers were hit hard.
p.43 #18 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Surfnsun wrote:
Okay, I'll bite. What don't you understand?
Why is it so expensive? Very close to A7III. Perhaps to get you to go ahead and drop the extra money? I was thinking of getting a new camera for my niece, who I bought an A6000 for a couple years back. Thought this sounded interesting for similar size and thought it might be cool to move her up to full frame. I don't think the features are that compelling. But at that price, I would likely forget FF and get her an XT-4. But I don't want to spend that much so...now I've lost interest. I feel sort of blah like I did when they announced the new aps-c cameras last year. Possibly I was ruined by my A6000 and nothing is ever going to give us a price/performance ratio like that. When I traveled so many people come up to me to ask if I was using an A6000 and expressed joy over how cool it was. Weird, never had that happen before or since (currently A7RIV). Perhaps my expectations were that Sony was going to introduce something super cool rather than recycling some old tech into a new body. Sorry Sony, it's me, not you.
p.43 #19 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
joelRichards wrote:
Amen! I just hope there's enough interest that this doesn't become a one-and-done product for Sony. I am proportionately as excited for version 2 as I am disappointed in version 1. My only lingering concern is I hate side-flip screens and I'm worried that's now going to be a permanent part of Sony's cameras–at least his model.
I find it naive that if this camera sells well, Sony will be making a more advanced version of the same form factor with all the omissions (touch interface, buttons and dials, evf, etc.). I think the logical conclusion would be people don't mind paying almost the same price for a watered down version of the same camera. Sony takes consumers for a bunch of fools. Next, they come up with a severely watered down version of A7r iv, A9, etc and price them for $200 less. Next the right substitutions will be priced far more. I am afraid A7c may just mean Sony's supply of innovations and new ideas has hit the bottom of the pit. From now on, they are after marketing tricks and hypes in order to sell. Canon also reached almost to the same point in their DSLR line until they switched to mirrorless.
p.43 #20 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
curious80 wrote:
Looking at the picture of A7c, I don't think they can put A6400 size EVF in this body without either increasing its height or making the LCD smaller (like A6xxx). Personally I completely dislike the small A6xxx LCD and would rather take a smaller EVF than that LCD.
Hmmh. The LCD rear panel is much more "square" than the A6400. Now the A6400 display doesn't fill the panel but this looks like some empty space on the new panel even if the display is the same width. Maybe they could have had room with a shorter panel?? Also was comparing to mine with a SmallRig L bracket. That side flip panel will be a problem for an L bracket.
R This new camera is solving problems that don’t really exist and introducing new problems solved by older cameras. 
I have not looked and I never will