You must not be following this thread. That's the same anonymous person's comment linked to in several previous replies. The one I noted as being anonymous with lacking information.
This shows how people can double anonymous artificially. One person re-posts, then another repeats saying the same is "another".
mdvaden wrote:
And like a few anecdotal notes on the internet, there's not enough information given. The post didn't actually say it was overheating or that any camera message displayed. It could have been the battery running down, regardless what temp was mentioned that day. Sounds like it was not their camera. Had somebody placed it on dark surface? Because something like that could be hotter. Was a grip used, and secured properly, or not?
And .. is the anymous person telling the truth, or posting an anonymous lie?
The guy has been a member at CR for 2.5 years with 120 posts to his name. Its not like he just joined today and posted this stuff. He owns a lot of high end Canon gear so has no reason I can see to spread a false rumour about a new Canon camera. We can never know for sure, but sometimes you have to look at the whole picture of who this guy is from what information is available and make a judgement call. My impression is he is legit and telling the truth.
Regardless, his and Andrew's reports don't concern me much. But this is the topic of this entire thread so worth noting a 2nd occurrence of a similar stills only shutdown.
aae991 wrote:
It's quite the "battle" over his post on CR.
What else is new?
The Blind Brand Loyalists can't handle anything negative about their new toy they just dropped a lot of $$$ on. It happens with every release from every company. I get a kick out of it every time. I get an even bigger kick seeing the same BBL start to come around and admit to the faults the realists were talking about 4 years ago right around the time the next product is to be released
arbitrage wrote:
The guy has been a member at CR for 2.5 years with 120 posts to his name. Its not like he just joined today and posted this stuff. He owns a lot of high end Canon gear so has no reason I can see to spread a false rumour about a new Canon camera. We can never know for sure, but sometimes you have to look at the whole picture of who this guy is from what information is available and make a judgement call. My impression is he is legit and telling the truth.
Regardless, his and Andrew's reports don't concern me much. But this is the topic of this entire thread so worth noting a 2nd occurrence of a similar stills only shutdown.
Like I said, the post doesn't specify whether the battery went dead, or several other reasons. So even if the guy is for real, it didn't have enough info for people to base a decision. I still prefer some non-popular youtubers who show their real face and share more complete videos. Especially the ones who reply to further questions.
This one was straightforward and connects enough dots to help a purchase decision.
snapsy wrote:
Don't own the R5 myself but I just checked the EXIF of an R5 raw I downloaded online and Canon includes the internal camera temperature in the metadata. In advance of sending it to CPS I would do a controlled experiment where you start the camera cold and leave it on (disabling any auto-power off setting), taking a photo every 10 minutes for say an hour or so. You can then check the temperature in the EXIF of each image and supply that data to Canon, along with the ambient temp of your room so they'll have a point of reference. That should give them all the info they need to determine if your body is operating within expected thermal behavior.
You can examine the full EXIF using exiftool. If you need any help in the process just let me know - or you can send me the images and I can extract the temperature for you (out-of-camera JPGs will be sufficient)....Show more →
Thank you very much. This is what I got from those shots:
These are almost all of the eagle in the tree posted in the R5 pic thread. When he would move at all I would fire a few seconds of shots to get him jumping or another pose. Most likely the temp drop was when I went to the rear screen. I'm pretty sure I won't say anymore about this in public.
These are almost all of the eagle in the tree posted in the R5 pic thread. When he would move at all I would fire a few seconds of shots to get him jumping or another pose. Most likely the temp drop was when I went to the rear screen. I'm pretty sure I won't say anymore about this in public.
Wow, those temperatures seem really hot. Those are temperatures I would expect to see on a video card or CPU running full tilt rendering video or Folding@Home. Yikes, sure would like to know where that temperature sensor is located. Hopefully those readings are from inside the Digic X chip. If the temperature sensor is on the circuit board or some other general location, that means heat producing elements are much warmer.
John_TX wrote:
Wow, those temperatures seem really hot. Those are temperatures I would expect to see on a video card or CPU running full tilt rendering video or Folding@Home. Yikes, sure would like to know where that temperature sensor is located. Hopefully those readings are from inside the Digic X chip. If the temperature sensor is on the circuit board or some other general location, that means heat producing elements are much warmer.
That is actually not very hot for CPU. Macbooks routinely run at 100c.
Jesse Evans wrote:
That is actually not very hot for CPU. Macbooks routinely run at 100c.
Not trying to be argumentative, but the latest high-end Intel Core i9 Extreme CPU has a max temperature limit of 86c. The chip physically turns off at 86c to prevent damage. Prior generation Intel processors were thermal limited to the low 90's.
John_TX wrote:
Not trying to be argumentative, but the latest high-end Intel Core i9 Extreme CPU has a max temperature limit of 86c. The chip physically turns off at 86c to prevent damage. Prior generation Intel processors were thermal limited to the low 90's.
If someone (including Canon) can come to market with a decent cooling adapter, I'm guessing these temps would come down quickly. Tilta's offer seems intriguing, but no word on cost or delivery. I'm 99% stills, but would still prefer to run electronics as cool as possible.
Actually those temperatures are not as bad as they might look considering they are from a small tight weathersealed body without any form of internal cooling mechanism we know of.
Jesse Evans wrote:
Those are high end desktop / workstation chips. You can see that the CPUs frequently run at 95+C regularly in MacBooks.
You are comparing liquid / large air hsf cooled chips with laptop chips which are designed to overheat and then throttle regularly.
Keep in mind those Intel/AMD CPU temps are internally measured within the chip, whereas the temp reported by Canon in the EXIF is likely an internal-chamber ambient, so the two temps likely aren't comparable (ie, the CPU temp is much higher than even the immediate ambient area around it).
snapsy wrote:
Keep in mind those Intel/AMD CPU temps are internally measured within the chip, whereas the temp reported by Canon in the EXIF is likely an internal-chamber ambient, so the two temps likely aren't comparable (ie, the CPU temp is much higher than even the immediate ambient area around it).
Does anyone know what temperature they report in the EXIF data? It could easily be the image sensor temperature. IQ suffers significantly when a sensor gets warm. It doesn't take a very high temperature to affect IQ and the image sensor would certainly have an integrated thermal sensor. Every processor (and most other ICs) I've ever seen have temperature sensors built into the silicon. Measuring air temperature inside the camera would seem fairly pointless, and costly. To do it they'd need a temperature sensor chip thermally isolated on it's own circuit board somewhere inside where air is able to circulate around it. There's not much room for that, and it's just extra stuff that's not needed when every "chip" they're already using would already have an integrated temperature sensor.
snapsy wrote:
Keep in mind those Intel/AMD CPU temps are internally measured within the chip, whereas the temp reported by Canon in the EXIF is likely an internal-chamber ambient, so the two temps likely aren't comparable (ie, the CPU temp is much higher than even the immediate ambient area around it).
There is no substance to that claim of where the temperature is being measured from. Canons DIGIC processors are based on ARM designs which also include internal thermal monitoring. Nobody knows from where that temperature is being pulled. Since it’s 76c at times, it is much more likely measured internal to the chip and not an air temperature surrounding it.
Jesse Evans wrote:
There is no substance to that claim of where the temperature is being measured from. Canons DIGIC processors are based on ARM designs which also include internal thermal monitoring. Nobody knows from where that temperature is being pulled. Since it’s 76c at times, it is much more likely measured internal to the chip and not an air temperature surrounding it.
Exactly. If the air were 76°C, the CPU would be fried without throttling.
However, there may be more than one temperature measurement and/or there is a high value for hysteresis that explains why it takes so long to reset.
