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Wondering how 13 bit compares to C-raw? Does anyone know how many bits C-raw is?

No more than I usually do to the files, C-raw looks like it would work for me, especially for wildlife. Might be a worthwhile comparison.



Jul 23, 2020 at 12:56 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
I've never seen a bird image that anyone would be able to tell how many bits it was shot in...


Which I guess proves Ken Rockwell was right - JPEGS really are good enough!



Jul 23, 2020 at 02:37 PM
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p.2 #3 · R5 drop to 13 bit on 12fps mechanical


JPEG files are adequate when you want to use the images SOOC for web use, or do very little post-production work. RAW files are significantly more malleable so you can extract the most detail out of your images and make all kinds of edits while still preserving the integrity of your original files.

molson wrote:
Which I guess proves Ken Rockwell was right - JPEGS really are good enough!





Jul 23, 2020 at 02:57 PM
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Just going through the information again here, so mechanical and first curtain electronic at 12fps is 13 but raw, at 8 FPS is 14-but raw.

Electronic shutter is 12-but raw OR CRAW?

Am I understanding this correctly?



Jul 26, 2020 at 09:19 PM
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When you set up picture styles correctly, or make your own custom ones and upload to the camera, and you nail the exposure, jpegs are more than sufficient fire anything including large prints. Raw comes into play when you have to fix something.


Jul 26, 2020 at 11:20 PM
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TeamSpeed wrote:
Raw comes into play when you have to fix something.


Not just fixing, but anything creative:

HDR bracketing
Cropping
Stitching a pano





Jul 27, 2020 at 03:52 AM
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molson wrote:
It's a heavily compressed 12-bit, which is actually closer to 9 or 10 bits worth of actual data.


So....shoot uncompressed RAW and get 14-bit in Hi+ AF-C? Not sure why you would shoot compressed RAW if this was an issue for you.



Jul 27, 2020 at 09:03 PM
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Ubiquity99 wrote:
So....shoot uncompressed RAW and get 14-bit in Hi+ AF-C? Not sure why you would shoot compressed RAW if this was an issue for you.


You don't have a choice...



Jul 27, 2020 at 09:16 PM
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molson wrote:
You don't have a choice...


Yes...you do.

https://cdn.havecamerawilltravel.com/photographer/files/2019/10/Sony-a7R-IV-RAW-Compressed-vs-Uncompressed.jpeg



Jul 28, 2020 at 08:12 AM
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kezeka wrote:
Just going through the information again here, so mechanical and first curtain electronic at 12fps is 13 but raw, at 8 FPS is 14-but raw.

Electronic shutter is 12-but raw OR CRAW?

Am I understanding this correctly?


I'm trying to figure this out as well.



Jul 28, 2020 at 08:39 AM
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Ubiquity99 wrote:
So....shoot uncompressed RAW and get 14-bit in Hi+ AF-C? Not sure why you would shoot compressed RAW if this was an issue for you.


What is AF-C? I looked it up and it said Auto Focus - Continuous.



Jul 28, 2020 at 08:43 AM
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Ubiquity99 wrote:
Yes...you do.

https://cdn.havecamerawilltravel.com/photographer/files/2019/10/Sony-a7R-IV-RAW-Compressed-vs-Uncompressed.jpg


This is all new to me. So if choose uncompressed the I'll get 14 bit at 12 fps?



Jul 28, 2020 at 08:44 AM
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I'm trying to learn about this. I looked it up and most of the hits talk about colour when dropping from 14 to 12 bits. That's pretty basic. What else is effected? Is it still RAW?

Also about that uncompressed option. I we can select it then why the concern? If anyone could take a few minutes do a quick summary it would be very helpful as I continue to explore this on the net.

Thanks in advance.



Jul 28, 2020 at 08:50 AM
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Zenon Char wrote:
I'm trying to learn about this. I looked it up and most of the hits talk about colour when dropping from 14 to 12 bits. That's pretty basic. What else is effected? Is it still RAW?

Also about that uncompressed option. I we can select it then why the concern? If anyone could take a few minutes do a quick summary it would be very helpful as I continue to explore this on the net.

Thanks in advance.


Lets call it Bit Depth for Dummies



Jul 28, 2020 at 08:52 AM
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Zenon Char wrote:
This is all new to me. So if choose uncompressed the I'll get 14 bit at 12 fps?


No, the Sony cameras drop you down to 12-bit in many different modes, regardless of how you set the file compression. If you also choose compressed RAW, you end up with not much more than a bloated JPEG file, which I guess is okay of you're one of those people who claim they can't (or won't) see a difference...



Jul 28, 2020 at 09:22 AM
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molson wrote:
No, the Sony cameras drop you down to 12-bit in many different modes, regardless of how you set the file compression. If you also choose compressed RAW, you end up with not much more than a bloated JPEG file, which I guess is okay of you're one of those people who claim they can't (or won't) see a difference...


I see. You want uncompressed RAW. Thanks very much.



Jul 28, 2020 at 09:26 AM
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Zenon Char wrote:
I see. You want uncompressed RAW. Thanks very much.


Uncompressed raw, and mechanical shutter.

If the R5 does the same thing, I guess this means Canon finally gave in and adopted a Sony sensor like everyone wanted...



Jul 28, 2020 at 09:29 AM
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molson wrote:
No, the Sony cameras drop you down to 12-bit in many different modes, regardless of how you set the file compression. If you also choose compressed RAW, you end up with not much more than a bloated JPEG file, which I guess is okay of you're one of those people who claim they can't (or won't) see a difference...


Uncompressed RAW is 14-bit in every mode as confirmed by Jim Kasson. The downside is that uncompressed RAW the FPS drops from 10 to 6.

https://blog.kasson.com/a7riv/drive-mode-vs-precision-of-the-sony-a7riv/



Jul 28, 2020 at 09:40 AM
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Zenon Char wrote:
I see. You want uncompressed RAW. Thanks very much.

(May sound picky, but I think the issue here is whether the compression is lossless or lossy, not whether it compressed or not.)



Jul 28, 2020 at 09:42 AM
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molson wrote:
If you also choose compressed RAW, you end up with not much more than a bloated JPEG file, which I guess is okay of you're one of those people who claim they can't (or won't) see a difference...


Can you elaborate on this more or show me where or how the IQ of raw vs C-raw file is different?
I ask because I'm apparently one of "those people" that can't see a difference. I've been shooting C-raw for the past year and asked specifically here on FM if anyone could tell or show me the difference and nobody did or could.
If I'm leaving some goodness on the table I'd like to know.



Jul 28, 2020 at 10:01 AM
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