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p.10 #1Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
abase21 wrote:
.. in my back there is always room for a extraordinary lens

..the Sigma 35mm 1.2 is extraordinary but to heavy for everyday use(I have it)
..the Batis 40mm is a F2.8 lens (not sharp at F2) - but lives on one of my camera body’s (hate and love)

So I`m also waiting for a GM 35 or/and GM 50 (I hate the 50mm 1.4 the focus is to noisy)


We will see them and also at some point series II GM's just a matter of time.

I think the GM primes are a long way off but the 85 could be updated and the 100STF if they can improve the speed.

The 24-70GM would be first in line in my book.

16-35 only if and when they can improve IQ, it is awfully good now.

70-200GM and while they are at it get the tc's to work better with them. As it stands tc performance is so poor on this lens it makes the 135 1.8 GM a better option IMO.
Jul 27, 2020 at 12:20 PM
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p.10 #2Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
nandadevieast wrote:
GM 24
GM 35
GM 50
GM 85 II
GM 135
GM 300/4 DO
GM 400/5.6 DO
GM 600/8 DO


GM 28
GM 20
GM 18
GM 16
GM 14
GM 12
GM 65
GM 75
GM 105
GM 125
GM 155
GM 175
GM 200

etc., This story can never end, lol.

I vote for none of the above. Let's have a wilder imagination. I vote for:

TS lenses: 24mm, 16mm, 50mm and macro 90mm; even better with AF. Imagine the first TS lenses with AF in the world!

Higher magnification macro lenses such as 2X or variable 2X-5X macro lenses.

Ultra tele macro lenses such as a 200mm 1X or 2X macro lens with 25-28cm working distance.

Ultra wide angle 1X or 2X macro lenses.

AF Macro lenses which can focus at macro distances as fast and reliable as normal lenses can do at normal distances with, insect eye-AF capability and real time AF tracking when mounted on a Sony camera.

T2.8 or even T2.0 STF lenses.

A 28-80mm GM STF Lens with T2.8.

I vote against a GM 35mm lens.
Jul 27, 2020 at 03:33 PM
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p.10 #3Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
I’ll be much more modest (and maybe realistic )

24/1.8 G
200/4 Macro GM OSS
400/5.6 G OSS

That’s the stuff I miss from Sony’s lens programme.
Jul 27, 2020 at 03:41 PM
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p.10 #4Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
bjornthun wrote:
I’ll be much more modest (and maybe realistic )

24/1.8 G
200/4 Macro GM OSS
400/5.6 G OSS

That’s the stuff I miss from Sony’s lens programme.


Having used the Canon 500 F4 and now 400 GM and 600 GM unless you are doing wildlife I think a 500 makes more sense particularly for people with one lens which is probably most of them.

I kind of like the idea of a 5.6 G the size/weight/money is much better for volume I believe.

Only drawback is when you use tc's it's kind of slow and high ISO's.

It also competes with a 200-600 G so maybe the F4 is the answer at 500 who knows, but lot of money and too short for wildlife without tc and a tad long for some sports. But a great tweener that works.
Jul 27, 2020 at 04:07 PM
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p.10 #5Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
If we're just wish-listing now, I'd love to see a collapsible G 600/8.
Jul 27, 2020 at 06:58 PM
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p.10 #6Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
I'm guessing most people think there is good demand for an Awesome 35mm lens. But also some seem to think the demand isn't so good due to existing options and that there is more demand elsewhere in the lineup.

I'm coming from the thought that the demand is good but that Sony is likeley holding out on the lens to sell more other lenses and more lenses in the long run..who knows but that seems like a fair enough possible speculation that I know at least some others have as well.

But now that the competition in FF mirorless is catching up maybe the time for Sony to release such a lens is drawing near, is this what happened with the very long awaited 35mm f1.8? If Canon were to release an Awesome 35mm RF lens would that force a response from Sony? I don't know for sure about others, but if Canon had the lens for RF I would be tempted to buy a canon body just for it.
Jul 28, 2020 at 01:29 PM
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p.10 #7Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
Sutro wrote:
I'm guessing most people think there is good demand for an Awesome 35mm lens. But also some seem to think the demand isn't so good due to existing options and that there is more demand elsewhere in the lineup.

I'm coming from the thought that the demand is good but that Sony is likeley holding out on the lens to sell more other lenses and more lenses in the long run..who knows but that seems like a fair enough possible speculation that I know at least some others have as well.

But now that the competition in FF mirorless is catching up
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I think you will always have a certain number of customers who want the no hold barred top lens they can buy.

35mm is one of the most popular FL's and where I like 1.4 for most lenses when you get wider I certainly see the advantages for a 35 1.2. Particularly after viewing some samples from the Sigma

I am not a Sigma fan due to weight and AF issue and from what I read it will not even continuous focus. If the lens had good AF and you could use continuous I would buy one now. I will await a Sony until that time unless the AF issues improve on the Sigma.

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Jul 28, 2020 at 01:37 PM
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p.10 #8Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
lunar module wrote:
I'd love to see a Sony 35 1.4 GM and 50 1.4 GM to replace the ZA models with all the usual GM buttons and with the newer linear focusing motors. Also love to see an updated 85 1.4 GM with the newer focusing motors. The 24 GM and the 135 GM are world class lenses. Would be incredible to have that quality across the entire spectrum of focal lengths.


This!

Jul 28, 2020 at 03:02 PM
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p.10 #9Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
This thread should be made into a sticky, like all the other threats that revolve around the 35 mm situation on the Sony A7x system. As said previously there are so many good options around catering everybody’s need that you should just get on with one and continue to take pictures. for me, the 35 mm Zeiss Sony 1.4 ticks all the boxes.
The flaws given a good copy are not a dealbreaker in real life documentary photography (e.g onion rings are often only visible if you expose for the highlights) which is what I use that lens for. well I certainly fall for the appeal of the new GM lenses, I own both the 24 and 135 as well, but they are both not 35 mm. And that 135 is a tad too heavy for my liking.
Well I guess sticking with a low megapixel camera body like the A7iii has the advantage of being able to enjoy the rendering of some “sub par” lenses like that 35mm 1.4 ZA
http://morsdorf.ch/gear/sony-35-mm-1-4-za/
Jul 29, 2020 at 01:51 PM
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p.10 #10Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
Why make a "sticky" from this mess....

Without the OP clearly defining "AWESOMNESS" in the context of 35mm FL lenses, and without stating which exact lens is his "reference" in regard to said AWESOMNESS, the ensuing conversation cannot be much more than nonsense... of the "the XXX is sharper" / "yeah but the YYY is smaller and lighter" / "you're both wrong, the bokeh is terrible, ZZZ is the bee's knees" / "how can you guys praise these abominations that don't even have an aperture ring" / "what kind of person still buys manual focus lenses these days" etc

P.S. I forgot "astro". When it seems that things have somehow settled down, someone will drop the "this garbage is completely useless for astro" argument.
Jul 29, 2020 at 03:22 PM
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p.10 #11Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
10 pages likely means there is an issue here, that a fair degree of consensus is building that the 35mm offerings are inadequate, to this user community at least.

You wonder if anyone at the manufacturers' marketing sections monitors online forums, or do they rely on dealer's and sales data as feedback. I know Cosina places more weight on returned slips from buyers they say they include in the lens boxes, or so they say. I'm yet to see one.

No one ever claimed they were great business people, quite the contrary in fact. Without a road map, if you don't know where you are going, you are sure to end up there. And here we are. ;-)
Jul 29, 2020 at 04:56 PM
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p.10 #12Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
We need a 50 page thread with the same title concerning the 28mm focal length.

Why haven’t Sony, Voigtlander, Zeiss, or Samyang come out with a good 28mm AF lens? The Sigma is too big. The 7Artisans FE-Plus is excellent but MF. The Sony 28/2 is ok.

It’s a mystery to me why one of the most popular focal lengths is so poorly represented in the Sony system.
Jul 29, 2020 at 05:46 PM
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p.10 #13Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
smpetty wrote:
We need a 50 page thread with the same title concerning the 28mm focal length.

Why haven’t Sony, Voigtlander, Zeiss, or Samyang come out with a good 28mm AF lens? The Sigma is too big. The 7Artisans FE-Plus is excellent but MF. The Sony 28/2 is ok.

It’s a mystery to me why one of the most popular focal lengths is so poorly represented in the Sony system.


THANK YOU!
Jul 29, 2020 at 05:59 PM
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p.10 #14Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
smpetty wrote:
We need a 50 page thread with the same title concerning the 28mm focal length.

Why haven’t Sony, Voigtlander, Zeiss, or Samyang come out with a good 28mm AF lens? The Sigma is too big. The 7Artisans FE-Plus is excellent but MF. The Sony 28/2 is ok.

It’s a mystery to me why one of the most popular focal lengths is so poorly represented in the Sony system.


Do you have experience with the 7Artisans 28? I’m intrigued by this lens as a possible cost-savings replacement to by 24 GM, but Phillip Reeve is the only one I’ve seen that has described its performance on a Sony body.
Aug 01, 2020 at 03:12 PM
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p.10 #15Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
GM 24 + a little cropping 😂

smpetty wrote:
We need a 50 page thread with the same title concerning the 28mm focal length.

Why haven’t Sony, Voigtlander, Zeiss, or Samyang come out with a good 28mm AF lens? The Sigma is too big. The 7Artisans FE-Plus is excellent but MF. The Sony 28/2 is ok.

It’s a mystery to me why one of the most popular focal lengths is so poorly represented in the Sony system.

Aug 01, 2020 at 03:18 PM
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p.10 #16Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
tbpeur01 wrote:
smpetty wroteWe need a 50 page thread with the same title concerning the 28mm focal length.

Why haven’t Sony, Voigtlander, Zeiss, or Samyang come out with a good 28mm AF lens? The Sigma is too big. The 7Artisans FE-Plus is excellent but MF. The Sony 28/2 is ok.

It’s a mystery to me why one of the most popular focal lengths is so poorly represented in the Sony system.
Do you have experience with the 7Artisans 28? I’m intrigued by this lens as a possible cost-savings replacement to by 24 GM, but Phillip Reeve is the only one I’ve seen that has described its performance on a Sony body.


There is a photographer on Flickr named Aaron Awad who takes some great images with the lens (on an A7RII) that sold me on trying the lens:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blindpiggy/

I have some images taken this weekend that I haven't taken from the SD card. I will try and post some soon. The lens is nicely built and was sharp as a tack on testing, perfectly centered. Focus feel is perfect. Fair amount of vignetting wide open that improves greatly by f/4.
Aug 01, 2020 at 03:47 PM
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p.10 #17Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
smpetty wrote:
tbpeur01 wrote
smpetty wroteWe need a 50 page thread with the same title concerning the 28mm focal length.

Why haven’t Sony, Voigtlander, Zeiss, or Samyang come out with a good 28mm AF lens? The Sigma is too big. The 7Artisans FE-Plus is excellent but MF. The Sony 28/2 is ok.

It’s a mystery to me why one of the most popular focal lengths is so poorly represented in the Sony system.
Do you have experience with the 7Artisans 28? I’m intrigued by this lens as a possible cost-savings replacement to by 24 GM, but Phillip Reeve is the only one I’ve seen that has described its performance on a Sony body.
There is a photographer on Flickr named Aaron Awad who takes some great images with the lens (on an A7RII) that sold me on trying the lens:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blindpiggy/

I have some images taken this weekend that I haven't taken from the SD card. I will try and post some soon. The lens is nicely built and was sharp as a tack on testing, perfectly centered. Focus feel is perfect. Fair amount of vignetting wide open that improves greatly by f/4.


That’s hilarious - Right before you posted this I reached out to him to get his thoughts since I enjoyed his Flickr images so much. I look forward to seeing yours.
- Tyler
Aug 01, 2020 at 04:10 PM
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p.10 #18Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
I bought one and it was badly decentered. Sent it back.
Aug 01, 2020 at 05:38 PM
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p.10 #19Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
tbpeur01 wrote:
smpetty wrote
tbpeur01 wrote
smpetty wroteWe need a 50 page thread with the same title concerning the 28mm focal length.

Why haven’t Sony, Voigtlander, Zeiss, or Samyang come out with a good 28mm AF lens? The Sigma is too big. The 7Artisans FE-Plus is excellent but MF. The Sony 28/2 is ok.

It’s a mystery to me why one of the most popular focal lengths is so poorly represented in the Sony system.
Do you have experience with the 7Artisans 28? I’m intrigued by this lens as a possible cost-savings replacement to by 24 GM, but Phillip Reeve is the only one I’ve seen that has described its performance on a Sony body.
There is a photographer on Flickr named Aaron Awad who takes some great images with the lens (on an A7RII) that sold me on trying the lens:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blindpiggy/

I have some images taken this weekend that I haven't taken from the SD card. I will try and post some soon. The lens is nicely built and was sharp as a tack on testing, perfectly centered. Focus feel is perfect. Fair amount of vignetting wide open that improves greatly by f/4.
That’s hilarious - Right before you posted this I reached out to him to get his thoughts since I enjoyed his Flickr images so much. I look forward to seeing yours.
- Tyler


I see that he is trying out the Voigtlander 35/1.4 Classic the last couple of weeks. If he responds, please share his thoughts on the 7Artisans 28/1.4.
Aug 01, 2020 at 07:10 PM
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p.10 #20Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
smpetty wrote:
tbpeur01 wrote
smpetty wrote
tbpeur01 wrote
smpetty wroteWe need a 50 page thread with the same title concerning the 28mm focal length.

Why haven’t Sony, Voigtlander, Zeiss, or Samyang come out with a good 28mm AF lens? The Sigma is too big. The 7Artisans FE-Plus is excellent but MF. The Sony 28/2 is ok.

It’s a mystery to me why one of the most popular focal lengths is so poorly represented in the Sony system.
Do you have experience with the 7Artisans 28? I’m intrigued by this lens as a possible cost-savings replacement to by 24 GM, but Phillip Reeve is the only one I’ve seen that has described its performance on a Sony body.
There is a photographer on Flickr named Aaron Awad who takes some great images with the lens (on an A7RII) that sold me on trying the lens:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blindpiggy/

I have some images taken this weekend that I haven't taken from the SD card. I will try and post some soon. The lens is nicely built and was sharp as a tack on testing, perfectly centered. Focus feel is perfect. Fair amount of vignetting wide open that improves greatly by f/4.
That’s hilarious - Right before you posted this I reached out to him to get his thoughts since I enjoyed his Flickr images so much. I look forward to seeing yours.
- Tyler
I see that he is trying out the Voigtlander 35/1.4 Classic the last couple of weeks. If he responds, please share his thoughts on the 7Artisans 28/1.4.


His response -
“I really love this lens. I’ve used it pretty much continuously since I got it. I wish it was a bit smaller but I’m a sucker for a fast wide angle”
Aug 01, 2020 at 07:36 PM
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