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Archive 2020Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
p.12 #1Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
smpetty wrote:
Thanks! Any tips on "proper" adaptation?
I've never done it, but look earlier in this thread.
Thanks! Any tips on "proper" adaptation?
I've never done it, but look earlier in this thread.
Aug 04, 2020 at 11:13 AM
p.12 #2Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
JVan_02 wrote:
I've never done it, but look earlier in this thread.
Changing the filter stack can be done by places like Kolari Vision.
https://kolarivision.com/product/sony-a7-series-thin-filter-legacy-lens-upgrade/
They do good work, and I have had several cameras converted to various filter formats for other purposes by them (infrared, for instance).
I also had the 35/1.7 but was unimpressed...the f/1.2 version being terrible at color smearing on my a7ii. However, I never did the filter stack conversion at that time and instead bought the Sony 35/1.4.
I loved the 35/2 APSH M on Leica M9, but color smearing (again, without having done a filter stack swap) was terrible on a7ii.
smpetty wrote
Thanks! Any tips on "proper" adaptation?Changing the filter stack can be done by places like Kolari Vision.
https://kolarivision.com/product/sony-a7-series-thin-filter-legacy-lens-upgrade/
They do good work, and I have had several cameras converted to various filter formats for other purposes by them (infrared, for instance).
I also had the 35/1.7 but was unimpressed...the f/1.2 version being terrible at color smearing on my a7ii. However, I never did the filter stack conversion at that time and instead bought the Sony 35/1.4.
I loved the 35/2 APSH M on Leica M9, but color smearing (again, without having done a filter stack swap) was terrible on a7ii.
Aug 04, 2020 at 12:00 PM
p.12 #3Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
Grenache wrote:
I've never done it, but look earlier in this thread.Changing the filter stack can be done by places like Kolari Vision.
https://kolarivision.com/product/sony-a7-series-thin-filter-legacy-lens-upgrade/
They do good work, and I have had several cameras converted to various filter formats for other purposes by them (infrared, for instance).
I also had the 35/1.7 but was unimpressed...the f/1.2 version being terrible at color smearing on my a7ii. However, I never did the filter stack conversion at that time and instead bought the Sony 35/1.4.
I loved the 35/2 APSH M on Leica M9, but color smearing (again, without having done a filter stack swap) was terrible on a7ii.
The CV 35mm f/1.2 II on a converted sensor is as good (resolution) or better (field curvature) as the ZM35mm f/1.4 is on a stock sensor.
The ZM35mm f/1.4 is basically perfect on a converted sensor.
JVan_02 wrote
smpetty wrote
Thanks! Any tips on "proper" adaptation?https://kolarivision.com/product/sony-a7-series-thin-filter-legacy-lens-upgrade/
They do good work, and I have had several cameras converted to various filter formats for other purposes by them (infrared, for instance).
I also had the 35/1.7 but was unimpressed...the f/1.2 version being terrible at color smearing on my a7ii. However, I never did the filter stack conversion at that time and instead bought the Sony 35/1.4.
I loved the 35/2 APSH M on Leica M9, but color smearing (again, without having done a filter stack swap) was terrible on a7ii.
The CV 35mm f/1.2 II on a converted sensor is as good (resolution) or better (field curvature) as the ZM35mm f/1.4 is on a stock sensor.
The ZM35mm f/1.4 is basically perfect on a converted sensor.
Aug 04, 2020 at 12:10 PM
p.12 #4Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
I saw christofer frost’s review of Sony FE 35/1.8 on YouTube. He doesn’t like it much. How is this reviewer in your experience?
Aug 14, 2020 at 02:46 PM
p.12 #5Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
smpetty wrote:
How does the Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 SE (native mount) compare to the Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical lens (adapted)?
The Ultron 35 is my everyday lens on a7rii. I use a Yeenon close-focus adapter (copy of the Voigtlander). I love this lens, but not for its corner sharpness, which is probably due to Sony thicker sensor. If you can give-up a bit of IQ in the corners, it is very sharp on most of the frame, has the best sunstars (to me), and a beautiful bokeh.
I suspect the native 35/1.2 might be better in the corners though.
How does the Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 SE (native mount) compare to the Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical lens (adapted)?
The Ultron 35 is my everyday lens on a7rii. I use a Yeenon close-focus adapter (copy of the Voigtlander). I love this lens, but not for its corner sharpness, which is probably due to Sony thicker sensor. If you can give-up a bit of IQ in the corners, it is very sharp on most of the frame, has the best sunstars (to me), and a beautiful bokeh.
I suspect the native 35/1.2 might be better in the corners though.
Aug 14, 2020 at 03:30 PM
p.12 #6Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
Now that the new Sigma 35/2 and Sony 35/1.4 are out.... maybe we can continue the conversation?
Jan 14, 2021 at 04:29 PM
p.12 #7Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
vdo1 wrote:
Now that the new Sigma 35/2 and Sony 35/1.4 are out.... maybe we can continue the conversation?
Or rather end it finally
...
Now that the new Sigma 35/2 and Sony 35/1.4 are out.... maybe we can continue the conversation?
Or rather end it finally
...Jan 14, 2021 at 04:40 PM
p.12 #8Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
@vdo1 what do you feel we're lacking at this point? I mean, short of a 35 1.8 G (which, considering the size/weight of the GM I'm going to revise my prediction of a 8-12 year wait to 15 years to never) we have every option available.
35 GM: the king. Best, lightest, and cheapest of its class and type
35 1.8 FE: reportage masterstroke. No AF tests between the GM and this out that I know of, but previous AF 35 king of the heap, and considering the smaller elements it moves that might still be true. Extremely discrete, well constructed, lacking nothing but a certain punch to the optics.
35 f2: optical champ of the mid-speeds, with great construction. Lacking only sealing, better WO MFD performance, and perhaps a better MFD.
Samyang 35 1.8: best value lens here... if you get a copy. Somewhat between Sony and Sigma mid-speeds in optics.
35 GM: the king. Best, lightest, and cheapest of its class and type
35 1.8 FE: reportage masterstroke. No AF tests between the GM and this out that I know of, but previous AF 35 king of the heap, and considering the smaller elements it moves that might still be true. Extremely discrete, well constructed, lacking nothing but a certain punch to the optics.
35 f2: optical champ of the mid-speeds, with great construction. Lacking only sealing, better WO MFD performance, and perhaps a better MFD.
Samyang 35 1.8: best value lens here... if you get a copy. Somewhat between Sony and Sigma mid-speeds in optics.
Jan 14, 2021 at 04:40 PM
p.12 #9Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
I'm still holding out for a FF 35mm f/0.8 with lightning fast AF that weighs 400g and is smaller than the Sony FE 35mm f/1.8.
Jan 14, 2021 at 04:45 PM
p.12 #10Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
APO, perfect bokeh and macro capability right?
Jesse Evans wrote:
I'm still holding out for a FF 35mm f/0.8 with lightning fast AF that weighs 400g and is smaller than the Sony FE 35mm f/1.8.
Jan 14, 2021 at 05:24 PM
p.12 #11Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
Right, I forgot it needs to go to 2:1 and also have no focus breathing whatsoever.
tsdevine wrote:
APO, perfect bokeh and macro capability right?
tsdevine wrote:
APO, perfect bokeh and macro capability right?
Jesse Evans wrote
I'm still holding out for a FF 35mm f/0.8 with lightning fast AF that weighs 400g and is smaller than the Sony FE 35mm f/1.8.Jan 14, 2021 at 05:31 PM
p.12 #12Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
Jesse Evans wrote:
Right, I forgot it needs to go to 2:1 and also have no focus breathing whatsoever.
Don't forget the defined sunstars and perfectly round bokeh balls at all apertures at the same time!
Right, I forgot it needs to go to 2:1 and also have no focus breathing whatsoever.
tsdevine wrote
APO, perfect bokeh and macro capability right?Jesse Evans wrote
I'm still holding out for a FF 35mm f/0.8 with lightning fast AF that weighs 400g and is smaller than the Sony FE 35mm f/1.8.Don't forget the defined sunstars and perfectly round bokeh balls at all apertures at the same time!
Jan 14, 2021 at 05:37 PM
p.12 #13Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
No problem with the dual aperture mechanism.
j4nu wrote:
Jesse Evans wrote
Right, I forgot it needs to go to 2:1 and also have no focus breathing whatsoever.tsdevine wrote
APO, perfect bokeh and macro capability right?Jesse Evans wrote
I'm still holding out for a FF 35mm f/0.8 with lightning fast AF that weighs 400g and is smaller than the Sony FE 35mm f/1.8.Jan 14, 2021 at 05:59 PM
p.12 #14Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
tsdevine wrote:
APO, perfect bokeh and macro capability right?
I'd be happy with just "low CA" like in let's say the GM 135.
APO, perfect bokeh and macro capability right?
Jesse Evans wrote
I'm still holding out for a FF 35mm f/0.8 with lightning fast AF that weighs 400g and is smaller than the Sony FE 35mm f/1.8.I'd be happy with just "low CA" like in let's say the GM 135.
Jan 14, 2021 at 05:59 PM
p.12 #15Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
JVan_02 wrote:
@vdo1@ what do you feel we're lacking at this point? I mean, short of a 35 1.8 G [...]
But wasn't that exactly what everybody hoped for when the "Sonny will announce a new 35/1.8 lens" rumors started?
If I remember correctly, the rumors were about a "G" one... Where is it?
@vdo1@ what do you feel we're lacking at this point? I mean, short of a 35 1.8 G [...]
But wasn't that exactly what everybody hoped for when the "Sonny will announce a new 35/1.8 lens" rumors started?
If I remember correctly, the rumors were about a "G" one... Where is it?
Jan 14, 2021 at 06:04 PM
p.12 #16Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
Well, everyone was expecing a G lens, but we got a non-G. Now, it's at least clear why 
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... and if GM is not AWESOME, then I don't know what is...
.... and if GM is not AWESOME, then I don't know what is...
Jan 14, 2021 at 06:29 PM
p.12 #17Why don’t we have an AWESOME 35 yet?
My favorite 35mm is the 35mm 1.7 Ultron. I also have the 35mm 2.5 P II and Samyang 35mm 2.8. Well, a few others but those are legacy. I've also owned the 17mm 1.2 Zuiko and 17.5mm .95 Voigtlander.
The only other one I've considered is the 35mm 1.2 II Voigtlander based on reviews on this website, but the ultron seems better in the center. I'm not sure the slightly smooth OOF rendering of the 1.2 is enough to justify another purchase.
Now add to that the 35mm 1.4 GM which, I mean....I still want to give the 35mm 1.4 Sony/Zeiss a try if I can be assured of a good copy. It does have a very nice OOF rendering. I still think that lens is top notch even though I haven't owned it.
I hope someone whose crazy enough to own all of these can compare these lenses against the 35mm 1.4 GM. I figure, if there is anyone who is a 35mm fanatic, they're probably on FM
The only other one I've considered is the 35mm 1.2 II Voigtlander based on reviews on this website, but the ultron seems better in the center. I'm not sure the slightly smooth OOF rendering of the 1.2 is enough to justify another purchase.
Now add to that the 35mm 1.4 GM which, I mean....I still want to give the 35mm 1.4 Sony/Zeiss a try if I can be assured of a good copy. It does have a very nice OOF rendering. I still think that lens is top notch even though I haven't owned it.
I hope someone whose crazy enough to own all of these can compare these lenses against the 35mm 1.4 GM. I figure, if there is anyone who is a 35mm fanatic, they're probably on FM
Jan 14, 2021 at 07:47 PM