p.6 #1 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
Offering a feature that no competitor is able to offer is criticized because it is fixed to a limited time? This shows how cracy expectations have got.
As far I know professional 8K video cameras actualy range from 30.000 up to somewhere next to infinity. And people start wining because Canons new 3.800 € mirrorless body offers 30 Minutes 8K only, to prevent overheating.
Next to this it only offers one fast card slot, best EVF, only 45MP (again Sonys A7R III is better here), superb AF, greatest ergonomics in handling and programming and 20fps in 45MP. Oh I forgot to mention the mediocre sized buffer that is full after shooting only 4 seconds at full speed/raw ...
Yes, the winers are right. It really looks like Canon failed again!
Some of my numbers may not be accurate. But I do not care about as long somebody complains about any restricted 8K filming time with the new R5.
p.6 #2 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
Jesse Evans wrote:
I'm happy they chose to keep the camera light, and deal with overheating in the extreme modes rather than choose to make the camera large in order to avoid it.
I don't think there is much point in a pissing match between Canon and Sony.
I understand though that some will be disappointed in the R5's inability to record long duration video at the highest quality settings.
I for one, am incredibly excited about the 20fps 45mp sensor with Sony quality AF, Canon ergonomics, and RF and EF lenses....Show more →
25 to 30 Minutes in my opinion is such a superlong duration, nobody will really need. If any professional Video production company plans to have the camera running all day, it will be pretty easy and cheap renting (or even buying) 3 or five bodies to stay flexible.
p.6 #3 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
R5 is a great camera and yes it sounds like ahead of everything in the market except a9. People are comparing it with a9 because its supposed to be flagship for now, for Canon, and a successor to famed 5D series. Criticism on 8k and all other things are a waste really. You can’t get a better camera than this in Sony except a9 and even that is not a high mp camera. This one is a mirrorless version of D850 and some more. Hope the real world reviews validate the hope and excitement we are going through.
Ralph Conway wrote:
Offering a feature that no competitor is able to offer is criticized because it is fixed to a limited time? This shows how cracy expectations have got.
As far I know professional 8K video cameras actualy range from 30.000 up to somewhere next to infinity. And people start wining because Canons new 3.800 € mirrorless body offers 30 Minutes 8K only, to prevent overheating.
Next to this it only offers one fast card slot, best EVF, only 45MP (again Sonys A7R III is better here), superb AF, greatest ergonomics in handling and programming and 20fps in 45MP. Oh I forgot to mention the mediocre sized buffer that is full after shooting only 4 seconds at full speed/raw ...
Yes, the winers are right. It really looks like Canon failed again!
Some of my numbers may not be accurate. But I do not care about as long somebody complains about any restricted 8K filming time with the new R5....Show more →
p.6 #4 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
mdvaden wrote:
The "fall behind" may relate to the S1H and A7S iii for a few who may be wanting 1/2 of one of 8 slices from a pie.
For photographers looking at most of the pie, including still photography, the R5 could be the last camera they ever need unless they wear one out.
Agreed...my comments as stated were towards Canon's marketing push towards video.
Looking at it from my type of shooting (all stills, almost all birds, a lot of fast BIF) the R5 is probably tied for me with the A9II as the most impressive stills camera available. The A9II will have a few advantages (most likely e-shutter for everything, tilt-screen in line with camera, being able to shoot less than 20FPS in e-shutter) and the R5 will have a few advantages (resolution at high FPS, faster card/buffer writing, better in the hand ergonomics, top plate LCD and Bird-eye AF). The actual AF comparison between these two remains to be seen but I think they will be pretty close and for 95% of photography out there it won't matter. But for my subjects it may matter and either one could come out on top for a darting swallow, bullet passerine or American Kestral with a tail wind). For now, unless EF glass doesn't degrade the AF and/or EVF then the Sony system has much better lens selection for my work. But if adapted EF glass is without compromise (other than one more wiggly connection point) then Canon's lens selection is even better (excepting the 200-600). Otherwise either one could be a camera one never needs to replace for a long while and won't limit my type of photography.
p.6 #5 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
arbitrage wrote:
Agreed...my comments as stated were towards Canon's marketing push towards video.
Looking at it from my type of shooting (all stills, almost all birds, a lot of fast BIF) the R5 is probably tied for me with the A9II as the most impressive stills camera available. The A9II will have a few advantages (most likely e-shutter for everything, tilt-screen in line with camera, being able to shoot less than 20FPS in e-shutter) and the R5 will have a few advantages (resolution at high FPS, faster card/buffer writing, better in the hand ergonomics, top plate LCD and Bird-eye AF). The actual AF comparison between these two remains to be seen but I think they will be pretty close and for 95% of photography out there it won't matter. But for my subjects it may matter and either one could come out on top for a darting swallow, bullet passerine or American Kestral with a tail wind). For now, unless EF glass doesn't degrade the AF and/or EVF then the Sony system has much better lens selection for my work. But if adapted EF glass is without compromise (other than one more wiggly connection point) then Canon's lens selection is even better (excepting the 200-600). Otherwise either one could be a camera one never needs to replace for a long while and won't limit my type of photography....Show more →
As we both know, a kestrel with a tail wind is extremely fast.... If that EF glass works flawlessly I'm in.... but I highly doubt it works flawlessly..
Buying the R5 for BIF photography its probably a safe bet if you're just going to use it with 100 - 500, go ahead and pre-order. I need to see hardcore proof my 1.4 ef and 600 III works like a native RF lens on the R5.
p.6 #9 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
Ralph Conway wrote:
Offering a feature that no competitor is able to offer is criticized because it is fixed to a limited time? This shows how cracy expectations have got.
As far I know professional 8K video cameras actualy range from 30.000 up to somewhere next to infinity. And people start wining because Canons new 3.800 € mirrorless body offers 30 Minutes 8K only, to prevent overheating.
Next to this it only offers one fast card slot, best EVF, only 45MP (again Sonys A7R III is better here), superb AF, greatest ergonomics in handling and programming and 20fps in 45MP. Oh I forgot to mention the mediocre sized buffer that is full after shooting only 4 seconds at full speed/raw ...
Yes, the winers are right. It really looks like Canon failed again!
Some of my numbers may not be accurate. But I do not care about as long somebody complains about any restricted 8K filming time with the new R5....Show more →
Here are the issues with overheating as I think I have seen in videos and other blogs/reviews:
- You can only hit the limits mentioned by Canon at 60 deg F or lower, after that the higher the ambient temperatures the lower and lower you go before you hit the overheating. In the dead of summer, you might only get 8 min of recording before it overheats.
- The camera overheats in 4K mode too.
- Once the camera overheats, you are done. You cannot use it for still photography. <<<<===== THE BIG ISSUE
- If you can shut down the camera and let it cool off and then shoot again, you only get single digit number of minutes to record before it needs to shut down again.
So if you use the video mode and randomly hit the overheating, you shut the camera off and you are dead in the water. Nobody will likely play with video with those kinds of odds against them.
If you shoot video at all for clients, you are likely doing 4K, but with these issues, you aren't going to be buying the R5/R6 then, and you will be upset because it has all these other goodies with it, but you won't be able to use them.
p.6 #10 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
TeamSpeed wrote:
- You can only hit the limits mentioned by Canon at 60 deg F or lower, after that the higher the ambient temperatures the lower and lower you go before you hit the overheating. In the dead of summer, you might only get 8 min of recording before it overheats.
They actually quote 23°C, which is 73.4°F.
Now I've heard the claims things get worse with higher ambient temperatures, based on peoples' experiences with other cameras, but I'm sceptical. If we take, say, 40°C (104°F), that's a very hot day, but electronics starts to get affected around 100°C. You may have a utility on your computer to read the temperature of the CPU or other parts, and they will typically be around 60°C or higher, and the CPU will start throttling at around 100°C.
Then there's the prominent commentator saying it should have a fan. These people are clearly looking for a completely different type of device than a general purpose stills/video camera. If it ran for an hour without overheating they'd say it should run for two hours.
- The camera overheats in 4K mode too.
Only if you want to shoot for more than half an hour. Just maybe, if you do, you should buy a video camera which is designed to do that, with lenses designed for video, in a form factor convenient for video shooting.
p.6 #11 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
Teamspeed:
Nobody is hiding the fact that you get about 20 minutes of 8K before heating becomes an issue. Compare that to zero minutes 8K from other cameras and make your own decision. You can wait to see what others do with 8K but they probably will have the same or similar heat issues. It will be interesting to see what the R1 has compared to the R5. Fun times ahead.
p.6 #12 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
If a car maker announced an SUV that could drive under water, but only 20 feet below the surface, there would be a lot of complaining that it doesn't go as deep as a purpose-built submarine.
Canon provided 8K recording in RAW, internally, on a compact stills camera. The fact that it does it for 20 minutes is beyond anything anyone might have expected, even just 12 months ago.
p.6 #13 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
@ Teamspeed:
We will see how using video with those cameras turns out in real life. As far I could follow the listings, none of both cameras does overheat in using 4k standard (the R6 in crop mode). This sounds fine to me.
In my opinion nobody NEEDS higher resolution or quality. Those, who WANT to get it, just have to learn to handle the restrictions or pay for a better bodie, when he finds one.
When I shoot an event with the R6 and I see any risk with 4K I would do full HD only. If one of my customers asks for higher resolution or quality he will be charged for the (rental fee of) extra equipment, that is needed.
p.6 #14 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
Bottom line ... the R5 is a photographer’s camera ... not a videographer’s camera. If you are a videographer get a video camera! Horses for courses. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
Or go buy a Sony camera.
JohanEickmeyer wrote:
If a car maker announced an SUV that could drive under water, but only 20 feet below the surface, there would be a lot of complaining that it doesn't go as deep as a purpose-built submarine.
Canon provided 8K recording in RAW, internally, on a compact stills camera. The fact that it does it for 20 minutes is beyond anything anyone might have expected, even just 12 months ago.
p.6 #15 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
bobbytan wrote:
Bottom line ... the R5 is a photographer’s camera ... not a videographer’s camera. If you are a videographer get a video camera! Horses for courses. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
Or go buy a Sony camera.
I did buy a Sony camera. It overheats when shooting stills on a tripod in hot weather.
p.6 #16 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
Found a video in Korean which shows the overheating of the R5 and R6 while recording 4K 60p. The R5’s does slightly better than the R6 while both overheating around the 30 min mark. It also shows how long it takes to overheat doing 8k 30p IPB. This was a little bit disappointing. It didn’t even make it to 14 mins before it shut off.
p.6 #17 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
mgibo wrote:
Found a video in Korean which shows the overheating of the R5 and R6 while recording 4K 60p. The R5’s does slightly better than the R6 while both overheating around the 30 min mark.
I will bear that in mind for the next time I want more than an hour's continous slow-mo in 4K. I just don't understand the Youtubers' obsession with high video frame rates.
p.6 #18 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
JohanEickmeyer wrote:
If a car maker announced an SUV that could drive under water, but only 20 feet below the surface, there would be a lot of complaining that it doesn't go as deep as a purpose-built submarine.
Canon provided 8K recording in RAW, internally, on a compact stills camera. The fact that it does it for 20 minutes is beyond anything anyone might have expected, even just 12 months ago.
So true. The whole 8k record time limit and over heating complaints from those I've gleamed at outline (ie: wedding photographers) is really something. Put it this way, the last two films I did we didn't shoot 8K and they were heavy VFX films with over $200m budgets... so why someone would want to shoot a wedding or interview in 8K with multiple cameras is beyond me. But each to their own.
p.6 #19 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
melcat wrote:
I will bear that in mind for the next time I want more than an hour's continous slow-mo in 4K. I just don't understand the Youtubers' obsession with high video frame rates.
It makes boring content more interesting and stretches interesting content without investing any more time:
Using 4K at 120fps: two times possible for 7 minutes 30 seconds, before overheating stopps it, will result in a 30 minutes video. Cool, isn´t it?
And 4K 60fps with the R6 without crop overheats after 30 minutes, what results in an absolutly faszinating 60 Minutes video to watch.
p.6 #20 · Canon R5 R6 Reviews LIST/HUB, see 1st post // review hands on specs
Ralph Conway wrote:
Offering a feature that no competitor is able to offer is criticized because it is fixed to a limited time? This shows how cracy expectations have got.
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Exactly, and why I posted yesterday about people whining because Canon didn't use a cripple hammer.
One thing that would be sort of cool though. Wonder if Canon could ever run a tiny cooling tube in the body that an add-on unit the size of a grip could super charge cooling. A cooling grip.
If that EF glass works flawlessly I'm in.... 
