p.64 #2 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
osv2 wrote:
i own an a9, so i do understand your point there.
it's just that i found the lag to be of little practical consequence, especially given the af results, but then again it was enough of an issue for dpr to comment on it in their a9ii review.
i think that getting distracted from sony by a seriously flawed r5/r6 is going to lead to disappointment in the long run... sony may have created a stacked sensor that is still unequalled over three years after it was released, but they cut some corners doing it... using ddr3 when ddr4 was just becoming widely available, and 65nm manufacturing process according to the video? if that's comparable to cpu technology, it's primitive even by 2017 standards.
in other words, if sony wanted to spend the money, they could easily put the hammer down hard on canon, they have far superior sensor eng/mfg capabilities.
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There seems to be too much hand wringing in these threads though individuals do present valid points. I am wondering how many users have actually shot with both platforms? I’m familiar with both and quite frankly neither are the be all and end all. Sony leads in technology, though for the moment Canon has eclipsed it in applied technology. While Sony doesn’t have the long standing history of still photography, they do receive credit in listening to its customers (somewhat) and making ergonomic and menu changes in subsequent releases. With a few exceptions, Canon has an advantage in the sheer volume and variety of lens offerings in its venerated ef lenses. While Sony’s e lenses are remarkable, Sigma is making significant inroads. The bottom line for consumers is that competition is desirable and leads to better product development.
My direct observations have confirmed that the R5 is an amazing camera which is a game changer in many respects for Canon users. If one has a lot of ef glass and wants a high mp body which provides a tremendous fps, great IQ, AF, and occasional video with limitations, the R5 is a reasonable choice. Alternatively, if one prefers the Sony ergonomics, handling, technology, and offerings, investing in a combination of e mount bodies and lenses makes sense for them. Quite frankly, the R5 for all of its merits and flaws should not compel an invested Sony user to switch in a case of misguided GAS. Enjoy your systems and feel fortunate that you don’t own Nikon.
p.64 #3 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
osv2 wrote:
i own an a9, so i do understand your point there.
it's just that i found the lag to be of little practical consequence, especially given the af results, but then again it was enough of an issue for dpr to comment on it in their a9ii review.
i think that getting distracted from sony by a seriously flawed r5/r6 is going to lead to disappointment in the long run... sony may have created a stacked sensor that is still unequalled over three years after it was released, but they cut some corners doing it... using ddr3 when ddr4 was just becoming widely available, and 65nm manufacturing process according to the video? if that's comparable to cpu technology, it's primitive even by 2017 standards.
in other words, if sony wanted to spend the money, they could easily put the hammer down hard on canon, they have far superior sensor eng/mfg capabilities.
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There seems to be too much hand wringing in these threads though individuals do present valid points. I am wondering how many users have actually shot with both platforms? I’m familiar with both and quite frankly neither are the be all and end all. Sony leads in technology, though for the moment Canon has eclipsed it in applied technology. While Sony doesn’t have the long standing history of still photography, they do receive credit in listening to its customers (somewhat) and making ergonomic and menu changes in subsequent releases. With a few exceptions, Canon has an advantage in the sheer volume and variety of lens offerings in its venerated ef lenses. While Sony’s e lenses are remarkable, Sigma is making significant inroads. The bottom line for consumers is that competition is desirable and leads to better product development.
My direct observations have confirmed that the R5 is an amazing camera which is a game changer in many respects for Canon users. If one has a lot of ef glass and wants a high mp body which provides a tremendous fps, great IQ, AF, and occasional video with limitations, the R5 is a reasonable choice. Alternatively, if one prefers the Sony ergonomics, handling, technology, and offerings, investing in a combination of e mount bodies and lenses makes sense for them. Quite frankly, the R5 for all of its merits and flaws should not compel an invested Sony user to switch in a case of misguided GAS. Enjoy your systems and feel fortunate that you don’t own Nikon.
p.64 #4 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
If the Sony sensor and processors are so superior, why oh why, does it take forever to go from reviewing an image to shooting an image on the a9/2? Like miss a play long time... Canon beats the heck out of Sony in this regard and it's a serious shortcoming from Sony for sports shooters. Anyone know, not speculating, on how the r5 does in this regard?
Keep in mind, I love my a9 and a92, but shooting football this past Thursday night, I was reminded time and again of this serious flaw.
p.64 #5 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
You do realize the A9/A9ii use a version of a 6 year old processor right? The A7Siii is the only modern Sony with an updated processor.
It’s so bad that I’ve stopped chimping in the field during action...either I’m getting the shots or I’m not, but reviewing my images won’t change that.
timgangloff wrote:
If the Sony sensor and processors are so superior, why oh why, does it take forever to go from reviewing an image to shooting an image on the a9/2? Like miss a play long time... Canon beats the heck out of Sony in this regard and it's a serious shortcoming from Sony for sports shooters. Anyone know, not speculating, on how the r5 does in this regard?
Keep in mind, I love my a9 and a92, but shooting football this past Thursday night, I was reminded time and again of this serious flaw.
p.64 #6 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
though for the moment Canon has eclipsed it in applied technology.
Sorry, but overheating with a few minutes use, nasty noise that is pre-blurred away in RAW images, slideshow EVF doesn't strike me as 'eclipsing Sony in applied technology' at all.
p.64 #7 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
RoamingScott wrote:
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It’s so bad that I’ve stopped chimping in the field during action...either I’m getting the shots or I’m not, but reviewing my images won’t change that.
Specially with sports. The play is gone, you either nailed the shot or you missed it, but one thing is for certain, you can't reshoot it.
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p.64 #8 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
timgangloff wrote:
If the Sony sensor and processors are so superior, why oh why, does it take forever to go from reviewing an image to shooting an image on the a9/2? Like miss a play long time.
that sounds like a slow sd card that's writing a really big burst of shots.
with a 300 MB/s card and judicious use of the shutter button, you should never miss a play.
p.64 #9 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
timgangloff wrote:
If the Sony sensor and processors are so superior, why oh why, does it take forever to go from reviewing an image to shooting an image on the a9/2? Like miss a play long time... Canon beats the heck out of Sony in this regard and it's a serious shortcoming from Sony for sports shooters. Anyone know, not speculating, on how the r5 does in this regard?
Keep in mind, I love my a9 and a92, but shooting football this past Thursday night, I was reminded time and again of this serious flaw.
Can you say a few more words about this problem. I review images and have never noticed any delay in going back to shooting. Are you talking about slow buffer clearing and changing shooting modes?
p.64 #10 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
timgangloff wrote:
If the Sony sensor and processors are so superior, why oh why, does it take forever to go from reviewing an image to shooting an image on the a9/2? Like miss a play long time... Canon beats the heck out of Sony in this regard and it's a serious shortcoming from Sony for sports shooters. Anyone know, not speculating, on how the r5 does in this regard?
Keep in mind, I love my a9 and a92, but shooting football this past Thursday night, I was reminded time and again of this serious flaw.
? We shoot with four Sony bodies at weddings and I never experienced that. Now brides are no track&field stars, but we review quite often and go back shooting. I know that when overloading the buffer and the camera is still in process to writing down 50 images this might affect shooting, however, that isn't something we often need to do. Maybe that is what you are referring to?
p.64 #11 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
timgangloff wrote:
If the Sony sensor and processors are so superior, why oh why, does it take forever to go from reviewing an image to shooting an image on the a9/2? Like miss a play long time... Canon beats the heck out of Sony in this regard and it's a serious shortcoming from Sony for sports shooters. Anyone know, not speculating, on how the r5 does in this regard?
Keep in mind, I love my a9 and a92, but shooting football this past Thursday night, I was reminded time and again of this serious flaw.
I don’t shoot sport but do quite a bit of bird photography. If I chimp and some action happens, as soon as touch the shutter, the camera is ready to shoot immediately. I have not encountered the issues you are referring to unless you are describing an entirely different scenario.
p.64 #12 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Just as I pretty much complete a FF Sony mirrorless package (to exclude only a 600mm & 12-24mm GM) comes the proposal to switch (back) to Canon. Yes, the same Canon that feature rations their DSLRs and, until just recently, was 5 years behind on sensor design and mirrorless.
Does anybody here believe for a moment that Sony isn’t burning the midnight oil to make an A9 MK V and A7r MKV? They just introduced an edge of the art FF video camera. I’m looking forward to what Sony makes next.
However, I am very satisfied with my four A9 cameras and I just bought a A7r MKIV. Not sure what else I might need unless it’s 2 more stops more Hi ISO with 30fps, Global Shutter and 120mP in a single camera.
Yes, it might be nice to have a light 70-200mm shortie or a 28-70 F2.0 but Sony too continues to make one of a kinds like the 12-24 F2.8. Thanks to Canon for some competition-at last. Now Sony can only get better.
p.64 #13 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
SoundHound wrote:
Just as I pretty much complete a FF Sony mirrorless package (to exclude only a 600mm & 12-24mm GM) comes the proposal to switch (back) to Canon. Yes, the same Canon that feature rations their DSLRs and, until just recently, was 5 years behind on sensor design and mirrorless.
Does anybody here believe for a moment that Sony isn’t burning the midnight oil to make an A9 MK V and A7r MKV? They just introduced an edge of the art FF video camera. I’m looking forward to what Sony makes next.
However, I am very satisfied with my four A9 cameras and I just bought a A7r MKIV. Not sure what else I might need unless it’s 2 more stops more Hi ISO with 30fps, Global Shutter and 120mP in a single camera.
Yes, it might be nice to have a light 70-200mm shortie or a 28-70 F2.0 but Sony too continues to make one of a kinds like the 12-24 F2.8. Thanks to Canon for some competition-at last. Now Sony can only get better....Show more →
Pretty much agree. We have a similar setup and are more than happy. I see nothing for us to incite a switch at all. I would loose a lot of money for no improvement (likely the opposite) for the way we shoot. We have the DR and resolution (A7riv/A7riii) Canon hardly matches (only by cheating with NR) or the ultimate speed (A9ii/A9), we have all the lenses we require and Sigma is providing additional fantastic glass at fantastic prices (35/1.2, 85/1.4, 14-24/2.8 etc.) in addition to fantastic lenses Sony is providing esp. recently (20/1.8, 24GM, 12-24GM, 400/2.8, 600/4, 135GM, 50/1.4 etc.). Most people can't even live up to the capabilities of their present gear (me included).
I can fully understand, however, that people switch if they have health issues and the Canon ergonomics suits them better to avoid issues, if they are collectors or just want the newest and shiniest, or desperately think to need a special lens or feature to get a certain shot or not which only Canon is able to pull off at the moment and money plays no role (unlikely most of the time). They should stand behind their decision and just pull the trigger loosing money or not and not lament back and forth, here. It is their life and if they are happy this is fine - great. A lot better if people are happy, good for their peer group, spouse, too.
p.64 #14 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
lightskyland wrote:
Sorry, but overheating with a few minutes use, nasty noise that is pre-blurred away in RAW images, slideshow EVF doesn't strike me as 'eclipsing Sony in applied technology' at all.
Is that your opinion or experience? I highly doubt that it is the former and having used the body for stills for over a week (no video), it hasn't overheated at ALL. Filled up cards with e and first curtain shutter. Nasty noise? Nope. Shot at ISO's from 100-12800 and the RAW files are beautiful with great resolution and the Canon color. Slideshow EVF? Again, I think you are talking out of your hat. It is bright, great resolution, smooth, and tracks well without any appreciable blackout in e/first curtain modes. If it is sleight of hand, so be it, but it is great "applied technology" which blows the doors off of the a7riv (whose blackout and freeze was annoying) and the a9 (no blackout but lower resolution). Look, you are entitled to your opinion though it would carry more weight if it were informed rather than being "Northrup" like. Sorry, the truth stings and I've provided what I feel is a balanced assessment based on evidence and real world experience with both systems.
p.64 #15 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
armd wrote:
Is that your opinion or experience? I highly doubt that it is the former and having used the body for stills for over a week (no video), it hasn't overheated at ALL. Filled up cards with e and first curtain shutter. Nasty noise? Nope. Shot at ISO's from 100-12800 and the RAW files are beautiful with great resolution and the Canon color. Slideshow EVF? Again, I think you are talking out of your hat. It is bright, great resolution, smooth, and tracks well without any appreciable blackout in e/first curtain modes. If it is sleight of hand, so be it, but it is great "applied technology" which blows the doors off of the a7riv (whose blackout and freeze was annoying) and the a9 (no blackout but lower resolution). Look, you are entitled to your opinion though it would carry more weight if it were informed rather than being "Northrup" like. Sorry, the truth stings and I've provided what I feel is a balanced assessment based on evidence and real world experience with both systems....Show more →
I thought the R5 does fill in frames in EVF to give the impression of no blackout. It would be news to me if that weren't the case?
p.64 #16 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
armd wrote:
Is that your opinion or experience? I highly doubt that it is the former and having used the body for stills for over a week (no video), it hasn't overheated at ALL. Filled up cards with e and first curtain shutter. Nasty noise? Nope. Shot at ISO's from 100-12800 and the RAW files are beautiful with great resolution and the Canon color. Slideshow EVF? Again, I think you are talking out of your hat. It is bright, great resolution, smooth, and tracks well without any appreciable blackout in e/first curtain modes. If it is sleight of hand, so be it, but it is great "applied technology" which blows the doors off of the a7riv (whose blackout and freeze was annoying) and the a9 (no blackout but lower resolution). Look, you are entitled to your opinion though it would carry more weight if it were informed rather than being "Northrup" like. Sorry, the truth stings and I've provided what I feel is a balanced assessment based on evidence and real world experience with both systems....Show more →
I think most people here on FM appreciate any opinions posted in a polite constructive manner. This, whether it favors one brand or another. Any progress in the ICL Camera imaging ecosystem will eventually benefit all.
The way Canon micromanaged R5/R6 release, in combination with some quirky issues in the way the cameras work, has in my opinion made it hard for most of us to get a good grasp of the cameras. the professional reviewers are all over the place with opinions on these two cameras. So much hype, rumour, and unverified reporting.
In the end it will be opinions posted by users such as yourself that help us understand the place that these cameras occupy in the market, and whether that place is something we are interested in acquiring for whatever need we need to fill.
I am in no way interested in switching system. I am very happy with my current a7RIII/A9 cameras, and don't feel limited in any way. Still, I always enjoy watching the industry evolve, and technology advance.
I am grateful to you for taking the time to post your experiences with the R5, and to those who challenge them. This is the path to understanding them.
p.64 #17 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Those who are disrespecting T. Northrup because he criticises the R% may want to take a look at this.
His Wife is switching to the R5. Her logic for the switch is at least reasonable.
"So after 3.5 weeks with the R5 and a handful of sessions shooting birds in flight, I’m noticing two things that are not on the good side for the R5–rolling shutter when shooting in the electronic shutter mode, or a “slideshow” of shooting in mechanical shutter mode.
I’ve noticed that I get notable rolling shutter distortion on the surroundings when I’m panning with a bird in flight. I’ve had this happen when photographing Barn Swallows, Dickcissels, and Killdeer. When they fly above things that are vertically oriented (grass, sedges, flowers, etc) the surroundings slant/lean in the direction I’m panning.
To combat this, I can go to mechanical shutter mode, but then I seem to get the “slide show” effect which essentially makes my EVF function at 12 Hz. As I’ve said in other spots, this is not a big deal for birds which are relatively small in the frame, but when I shoot birds which are larger in the frame, it’s much more difficult to track them (as compared to the 1DX3 and the A9 I used to own). Because of the slideshow effect. Even if I can stay on the bird, it’s difficult to keep it centered in the frame. 20fps electronic shutter improved on this, but it still seems like a 20 Hz slideshow.
I found the A9’s live feed with the electronic shutter as well as the faster readout speed to be better for keeping the bird in the frame. (I owned the A9 and the 200-600 for about 7 months and used it fairly extensively. I used the 1DX3 primarily with my 600iii, and I’ve recently sold it as well. I never used a Sony 600 with the A9 and I never used a 200-600 on a Canon... ;-) I’m set to receive the 100-500 this week. I’m hoping the improved resolution of the R5 over the A9 makes this a better in flight combo than the A9/200-600, which is excellent.) The eye AF on the R5 does seem to make a difference.
At the end of the day, I’m still enjoying the R5/600iii better than I did the 1DX3/600iii and also better than the A9/200-600. The bird’s eye AF on the R5 really makes a notable difference on birds in flight."
p.64 #19 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
1bwana1 wrote:
Those who are disrespecting T. Northrup because he criticises the R% may want to take a look at this.
His Wife is switching to the R5. Her logic for the switch is at least reasonable.
She switches systems a lot. She used to use Canon, then the Nikon D850, then Sony RIII / RIV, now the Canon R5.
I'm sure in a couple of years she'll say she switching to something else.
p.64 #20 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
If a youtuber makes an “I’m switching to X camera!” video, that’s a hint that they’re clickbaiting you. These people exist to make money from your ad views.
The Northrups made a huge deal about switching to Sony not that long ago. They’ll switch again when there is money to be made.
1bwana1 wrote:
Those who are disrespecting T. Northrup because he criticises the R% may want to take a look at this.
His Wife is switching to the R5. Her logic for the switch is at least reasonable.
