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Archive 2020 · Now In-Stock: Sony FE 12-24mm f/2.8 GM ($2,998)

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trstahly wrote:
Ordered mine at 5 sharp supposed to ship the 13th.

There is no question the Sony 12-24 .8 GM is the clear winner, the Sigma is not a 12-24 2.8 lens so the whole thing is kind of silly to compare one to the other.

I find it silly if someone has a 16-35 GM (and what serious Sony shooter doesn't) to consider a Sigma 14-24.

If you want to talk value that is a whole different subject and a subjective thing which will differ greatly from one person to the next.

If we are talking about the best bang for the buck...Show more →

Hmm IQ-wise it's not that clear cut for me, I've seen a few reviewers saying sharpness is similar, Manny even stating contrast is higher on the Sigma ... Sigma is universally claimed to be "the" UWA zoom now...
Cost-wise, it's always a personal decision, but if this is going to be the price level of future GM lenses, I think it's safe to say my GM lineup is complete

Jul 07, 2020 at 05:14 PM

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chez wrote:
They'll milk the "oh I can't live without this lens crowd" for full price then lower it like usual.

I don't think this lens is going to be hard to get

Jul 07, 2020 at 05:15 PM

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j4nu wrote:
Hmm IQ-wise it's not that clear cut for me, I've seen a few reviewers saying sharpness is similar, Manny even stating contrast is higher on the Sigma ... Sigma is universally claimed to be "the" UWA zoom now...
Cost-wise, it's always a personal decision, but if this is going to be the price level of future GM lenses, I think it's safe to say my GM lineup is complete

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What contrast? Low or high frequency detail?
All that is meaningless without detailed comparisons or lensrentals MTF measurements ;-) I like what I see so far, sun stars, sharpness, flare performance and 2mm more is quite a deal. So I don't know why one should call Sigma "the" WA lens anymore. Time will tell.

Jul 07, 2020 at 05:21 PM

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p.5 #4 · p.5 #4 · Now In-Stock: Sony FE 12-24mm f/2.8 GM ($2,998)

Man, I wish I had waited and not purchased the original Sony 12-24. Now I want this lens but can't justify getting it. I guess that's not a bad thing, really, but if I was going to only own one and had known this one was ultimately coming out I would have waited for it.

Jul 07, 2020 at 05:27 PM

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Jul 07, 2020 at 05:41 PM

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Holger wrote:
What contrast? Low or high frequency detail?
All that is meaningless without detailed comparisons or lensrentals MTF measurements ;-) I like what I see so far, sun stars, sharpness, flare performance and 2mm more is quite a deal. So I don't know why one should call Sigma "the" WA lens anymore. Time will tell.

This discussion is silly and has drifted into people comparing a similar but lesser lens being a Sigma 14-24 to a very exciting and state-of-the-art Sony 12-24 2.8 GM zoom. Sigma does not make a 12-24 lens so it is a apples to oranges comparison at best.

In my way of looking at it why would anyone own a 14-24 to begin in the first place? How many "serious" Sony shooters do not already own a far more useful 16-35 GM? And if 2mm wider is a big enough deal to own a 14-24 it is it even a more important reason on the UWA end to own a 12-24 instead of a 14-24.

There are real differences between 12mm and 14mm and any UWA shooter understands this. 12mm is an entirely different perspective than 14mm not to mention benefits in post for architecture and other.

I find most threads involving Sigma lenses a waste of time unless the topic is bang for the buck which this thread is about Sony's exciting new one of a kind lens that was released today.

Jul 07, 2020 at 06:07 PM

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Jul 07, 2020 at 06:36 PM

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j4nu wrote:
Obviously I meant "now" as in "before Fred publishes Sony's test results" as without direct comparison it's impossible to tell as You noted...

Matching the Sigma optically will be a hard task for Sony. The Sigma 14-24/2.8 DN DG is absolutely outstanding and a bargain. It does not go to 12mm and I think Sony was clever to offer this advantage. The extra range makes a difference for many shooters but this flexibility will come with a hefty price tag...

I will try comparing the new Sony to the Sigma but would not be surprised if the Sigma comes on top.

Jul 07, 2020 at 06:54 PM

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It’s photography...
Nobody’s saving anything.

nhsonyshooter wrote:
"Why would anyone own a 14-24 to begin with?

Because they can pair it with say a Laowa 12mm and save 500-600 bucks ?

Jul 07, 2020 at 06:54 PM

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nhsonyshooter wrote:
"Why would anyone own a 14-24 to begin with?

Because they can pair it with say a Laowa 12mm and save 500-600 bucks ?

One could also say why not save two thousand dollars and buy a Laowa 12mm and skip UWA zoom and keep your 16-35GM?

There are some on here including myself are are excited to see Sony continue to push the envelope and that comes at a price.

I have yet to see anyone on here say they do not think the lens is an exciting and outstanding lens. Just a bunch of whiners complaining about how much it cost. Whats new?

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Fred Miranda wrote:
Matching the Sigma optically will be a hard task for Sony. The Sigma 14-24/2.8 DN DG is absolutely outstanding and a bargain. It does not go to 12mm and I think Sony was clever to offer this advantage. The extra range makes a difference for many shooters but this flexibility will come with a hefty price tag...

I will try comparing the new Sony to the Sigma but would not be surprised if the Sigma comes on top.

So if the Sigma comes out on top, then unless you shoot a lot at under 14mm, you'd be paying double the price for a lesser quality image. Interesting to see the results once you test them.

Jul 07, 2020 at 06:57 PM

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Jul 07, 2020 at 06:58 PM

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No matter what, this lens will be a great rental when I'm heading out to places that offer starry skies and I don't think my 16-35GM is up to task.

Far too niche to pay the asking price, but like most Sony lenses it will be far more affordable in a year or two.

Jul 07, 2020 at 07:00 PM

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chez wrote:
Well let's wait until the lens is tested properly and compared to the Sigma to see exactly how outstanding the lens truly is. You seem to be jumping the gun a little here.

You make a good point but based on how good Sony's lenses have been the past few years which frankly have exceeded all expectations, the 24 GM, 600GM, 135GM even the 20 1.8 G I feel it is a safe bet the lens is a standout! If anything Sony is getting better with each release.

Jul 07, 2020 at 07:03 PM

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trstahly wrote:
This discussion is silly and has drifted into people comparing a similar but lesser lens being a Sigma 14-24 to a very exciting and state-of-the-art Sony 12-24 2.8 GM zoom. Sigma does not make a 12-24 lens so end of story.

Why would anyone own a 14-24 to begin with? How many "serious" Sony shooters do not already own a far more useful 16-35 GM?

There are real differences between 12mm and 14mm and any UWA shooter understands this. 12mm is an entirely different perspective than 14mm not to mention benefits in post for architecture and other.

I find most threads involving Sigma...Show more →

Since when isn't the Sigma 14-24 no longer state of the art? The Sigma is the proven standard, that has set the bar higher. Real user results are needed before that will change.

The "Why would anyone own a 14-24 to begin with?" seems like snobbery to me. 16-35 gm instead? Sharpness and centration across the focal length are all over the place, too copy dependent. Even the best copies have too much astigmatism compared to the Sigma at the same focal lengths, and 25-35 is nothing to brag about. 35mm can be downright poor.

Jul 07, 2020 at 07:04 PM

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Justin Stone wrote:
I guess I’m still trying to figure out the use cases here.

Is it Astro? Haven’t seen an Astro review yet.
Is it interiors?
Is it architectural night work?
Landscapes of forests?

I get the desire for sharp to the corners for some applications which is why, imho, the Sigma just became a better value.

I can only answer for me. Dramatic landscapes that are up close. Interiors like an amazing Moroccan bath I came across. Inside buildings, including when looking upwards.

Jul 07, 2020 at 07:10 PM

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trstahly wrote:
One could also say why not save two thousand dollars and buy a Laowa 12mm and skip UWA zoom and keep your 16-35GM?

There are some on here including myself are are excited to see Sony continue to push the envelope and that comes at a price.

I have yet to see anyone on here say they do not think the lens is an exciting and outstanding lens. Just a bunch of whiners complaining about how much it cost. Whats new?

I'm excited about new technology too, but I don't see the utility in criticizing people who are wary about paying for a lens that costs as much as a decent used car. Especially during a global economic collapse! It strikes me as poor timing to release a lens like this right now. I know you can't speed up development of technology but if I were Sony's marketing team, I think it would be extremely tough to sell this lens to all but those who are most shielded from what's going on around us.

Jul 07, 2020 at 07:12 PM

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Jul 07, 2020 at 07:13 PM

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chez wrote:
So if the Sigma comes out on top, then unless you shoot a lot at under 14mm, you'd be paying double the price for a lesser quality image. Interesting to see the results once you test them.

For me at least, my 12-24 shoots at 12 80% of the time.

I'd rather get a used 12-24g than a new sigma 14-24. I am likely in the minority though. I specifically switched to Sony for the ultrawide lenses that weren't available elsewhere.

Jul 07, 2020 at 07:14 PM

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I didn't think the 24 GM was a terrible price. Do you ever consider used? I think used lenses are the ultimate value play.

I also disagree about the Sigma being universally the lens to buy. I've only seen the fanaticism of the fans, but I did not get that impression from the reviews.

Jul 07, 2020 at 07:20 PM

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