lighthound wrote:
I'm not sure if it would hurt my feelings any after seeing Bill's test results.
Yes and if you put the 1DXIII up against the 5DIV or EOS R you see the 1DXIII is the best sensor Canon has at low ISO for DR. At higher ISO all those sensors are about equal.
I see no issue using the 1DXIII sensor in the R6. But I'm 100% certain Canon will still claim it is "new" and they will have made some tweaks be they minor or major...who knows??
Canon has in the past, disabled camera functions via firmware to assure it be less competitive to a higher priced model. though an R1 is not likely for a year or more.
It's likely far less costly to tweak-down an existing sensor than the R & D cost of developing a new "dumb'ed-down" one.
I suspect Canon is, however, working on a current tech. 30 MP FF sensor for the future replacement of the EOS R.
Sy Sez wrote:
Canon has in the past, disabled camera functions via firmware to assure it be less competitive to a higher priced model. though an R1 is not likely for a year or more.
It's likely far less costly to tweak-down an existing sensor than the R & D cost of developing a new "dumb'ed-down" one.
I suspect Canon is, however, working on a current tech. 30 MP FF sensor for the future replacement of the EOS R.
It makes no sense to me for Canon to continue either the R or RP lines as they currently stand with Mark II versions. They seem to have now settled on a numbering scheme as they have done for DSLRs. My guess is the RP will continue on as some sort of R7 or R8 and the R will never have a successor.
I think by 2022 we will have R8, R6, R5, R1. Hopefully an R6 Mark II will get a ~30MP sensor or even better if the R1 gets that.
I don't believe there will be an R-Mark-2 per-say, but I do believe there will be a 30 +/- MP body as an affordable alternative to the R5, as the 6D/-2 is to the 5D4; be it an R7, R8, or whatever.
The R6 lacks the resolution to mirror that position, and would seem to be more an affordable alternative to a future R1?
The DxO measurement data for the 1DX III are obviously wrong, off by a full stop in the full SNR curves. Either they have mislabeled the ISO wrong with one full stop, or they have measured only the half.pixels of a dual pixel image, or something similar. This can easily be verified by comparing to other 1DXIII tests and measurements.
It will be interesting to see what DxO does next. Will they admit the error, will they continue with the same error for the R5 and R6, or will the newer cameras mysteriously measure much better than the 1DX III?
Regarding reusing the 1DXIII sensor in a lower end camera, of course that can happen without cannibalizing the 1DXIII. It has a special AA filter that is very effective and at the same time leaves a sharper image. The R6 is likely to have an ordinary AA filter. There are also components outside the sensor that make a difference for the performance.
alundeb wrote:
The DxO measurement data for the 1DX III are obviously wrong, off by a full stop in the full SNR curves. Either they have mislabeled the ISO wrong with one full stop, or they have measured only the half.pixels of a dual pixel image, or something similar. This can easily be verified by comparing to other 1DXIII tests and measurements.
It will be interesting to see what DxO does next. Will they admit the error, will they continue with the same error for the R5 and R6, or will the newer cameras mysteriously measure much better than the 1DX III?
Regarding reusing the 1DXIII sensor in a lower end camera, of course that can happen without cannibalizing the 1DXIII. It has a special AA filter that is very effective and at the same time leaves a sharper image. The R6 is likely to have an ordinary AA filter. There are also components outside the sensor that make a difference for the performance.
Good to know there's an error. It did seem odd for the 1Dx III to get such a low score and yet receive such praise from many saying the sensor is definitely better than the Mark II.
RoamingScott wrote:
Do clients actually care about this? Honestly asking, I don't deal in that world, but I'd be shocked if they knew enough about photography where this mattered on a regular basis.
My clients do not care about MP. They care about catching the moments they need. But I shoot events for their marketing needs, no products.
The R6 would offer all I need to make them happy. And if there is a scroll wheel and a Joystick on its back it would give me all to make me happy, too (I guess). I still use the 6d. Perfect camera. But I want to go EVF because of my age foresight. CR says same 5MP resolution like R5, too (next to the AF system, same battery and dual card slot). That would be great!
