Will the R5 have capabilities to be shoot in FF (all mp ) & Crop mode with (reduced mp) ?
I would like to see the R6 be a full crop camera that's the 7D2 replacement with about 30 -35mpx and a good Af system and no blackout.. Do I think it's going to happen, no, not even a 7 in its name. :
Canon's version of Sony's A9II >>> This would put a lot of smiles on wildlife photographers.
IndyFab wrote:
If I am correct, the A7r4 is in the 60 mp range and the R5 is in the 40 mp range, like the A7r3
most likely 45. Although it's not 60, it's not even that far off in terms of max pixels on the long side if that's the case: about 8100 vs 9500. If you really need the resolution, the rumoured high resolution R will give you more than 60mpix, maybe even 80. That would indeed be the direct competitor of the A7r4.
For me personally, the R5 comes close enough to call it a high res camera, yet would be very capable for shooting higher volumes of files for example for events due to the c-raw option.
IndyFab wrote:
Will the R5 have capabilities to be shoot in FF (all mp ) & Crop mode with (reduced mp) ?
I would like to see the R6 be a full crop camera that's the 7D2 replacement with about 30 -35mpx and a good Af system and no blackout.. Do I think it's going to happen, no, not even a 7 in its name. :
Canon's version of Sony's A9II >>> This would put a lot of smiles on wildlife photographers.
Because the 30MP EOS R already has a crop mode, it is pretty much a given that the R5 will have a crop mode (1.6x). If the 8K video is DCI ratio then the R5 will be 45MP and the 1.6 crop mode will be ~17.5MP. If the 8K is UHD only then the R5 is likely 39MP and the crop mode would be ~15.25MP,
I don't think there is any chance the R6 is a crop sensor. The rumors have been amazingly accurate since the beginning for this release and the R6 has been a 20MP FF sensor from the beginning.
A Sony A9II competition would be very welcome. To really best the A9II I would want to see a high-readout sensor in the 30MP range that allows shooting at 20FPS in e-shutter without distortion.
But I'm betting on the A9II competitor (likely called an R1 or R1X) will still stay in the low 20MP range. Regardless of the MP count, it absolutely has to have a high-readout sensor. All of the A9's magic comes from the speed of the sensor readout: 60 AF calculations/s, blackout free EVF while firing the shutter, distortion free BIF images while in e-shutter.
I give the R5 a 0% chance and the R6 a 1% chance of having a high speed readout on the sensor. Therefore IMO, the 20FPS spec is just a paper spec as it would have no usefulness in the field. I don't need (or want) 20FPS for perched or slow moving subjects. I only turn my A9 up to 20FPS when after the fastest BIF or some crazy action. Otherwise you just get too many frames and culling is a burden afterwards. However, 12FPS mechanical is still an awesome frame rate and I would be happy with 12FPS for 90% of the stuff I shoot.
The only problem I have with having a silent shutter that can't be used for fast action (what I currently face when using my A7RIV and Z50) is that I'm always having to be aware of switching back and forth between e-shutter and mechanical. I use e-shutter to be stealth and to get a higher % of perfect focus at slower SS (could be critical with f/11 lenses on the R5/R6). But then if I anticipate any sort of quickly developing action I have to be back in mechanical to avoid distortion and cut apart wings.
This is annoying to me after using the A9 for so long and never switching it out of e-shutter. Its not the end of the world for my shooting but I don't like having to manage it.
Sorry for the tangent....
I will say that the R6 is starting to interest me more and more in comparison to the R5.
If it really does have the same EVF, same AF, same FPS, same battery and decent file management writing to USH-II cards (unlike Sony) then the only thing I would really miss will be the top plate LCD (something I really miss on my Sony and Nikon MILCs).
Many think it absurd that the R6 would have a 1DX3 based sensor, but it,s likely far less expensive, and time relative to use a sensor platform that's already in production than to design a new one, for timely release.
That doesn't mean that the R6 will have all the "refinements" of a "1" series body; and there is sure to be a future R1, likely in 2021.
EB-1 wrote:
The naming makes no sense. R, RP, R6, R5, then what next
EBH
JaimitoFrog wrote:
You forgot Ra.
Maybe R3, R1, R5s. Doesn't matter. Just make good cameras and people will buy it.
OK, I had to look up that one. I thought it might be the Egyptian sun god or the place to return a defective camera.
So far only the R5 is remotely appetizing to me, but the compromises that place the primary use as video and the new sluggish lenses are really turning me off from the R system as a whole.
Sy Sez wrote:
Many think it absurd that the R6 would have a 1DX3 based sensor, but it,s likely far less expensive, and time relative to use a sensor platform that's already in production than to design a new one, for timely release.
That doesn't mean that the R6 will have all the "refinements" of a "1" series body; and there is sure to be a future R1, likely in 2021.
I agree—especially in a shrinking market. The R6 may not have some of the supporting components of the 1DX3, but why would Canon not want to leverage the sensor for economy of scale?
The chances that the R6 has the 1DX3 sensor at the rumored price point (<3000) rea approximately 0.
The chances that the R6 has the 1DX2 sensor with some modifications for mirrorless at the rumored price point are very reasonable. The rumored video specs, resolution, and price point all very much support this hypothesis.
And actually the R6 is an ultra compelling wedding camera if that's the case. The 1DX2 are still my favorite files of all time and 20mp is plenty for weddings. I initially didn't think I'd have any interest in this thing but I can very easily see R5/R6 being a perfect two camera kit with an old 1DX in the bag for when the weather gets nasty or something breaks.
mb126 wrote:
The chances that the R6 has the 1DX3 sensor at the rumored price point (<3000) rea approximately 0.
The chances that the R6 has the 1DX2 sensor with some modifications for mirrorless at the rumored price point are very reasonable. The rumored video specs, resolution, and price point all very much support this hypothesis.
And actually the R6 is an ultra compelling wedding camera if that's the case. The 1DX2 are still my favorite files of all time and 20mp is plenty for weddings. I initially didn't think I'd have any interest in this thing but I can very easily see R5/R6 being a perfect two camera kit with an old 1DX in the bag for when the weather gets nasty or something breaks. ...Show more →
We’ll see. CR says new sensor. For the future we will compare how accurate they were after the release
That's true the 6d the more budget model. But the 5D2 had already come out, and the 5D3 came out about the same time. So you knew it was a different line
The 20mp sensor doesn't seem like a cost cutting move to me. I don't think it is necessary to go to 20mp at this point, even the RP has 26. And none of the other lower mp cameras in the 20mp range are budget oriented. If there are any, certainly not the D6 and 1Dx3
arbitrage wrote:
Because the 30MP EOS R already has a crop mode, it is pretty much a given that the R5 will have a crop mode (1.6x). If the 8K video is DCI ratio then the R5 will be 45MP and the 1.6 crop mode will be ~17.5MP. If the 8K is UHD only then the R5 is likely 39MP and the crop mode would be ~15.25MP,
I don't think there is any chance the R6 is a crop sensor. The rumors have been amazingly accurate since the beginning for this release and the R6 has been a 20MP FF sensor from the beginning.
A Sony A9II competition would be very welcome. To really best the A9II I would want to see a high-readout sensor in the 30MP range that allows shooting at 20FPS in e-shutter without distortion.
But I'm betting on the A9II competitor (likely called an R1 or R1X) will still stay in the low 20MP range. Regardless of the MP count, it absolutely has to have a high-readout sensor. All of the A9's magic comes from the speed of the sensor readout: 60 AF calculations/s, blackout free EVF while firing the shutter, distortion free BIF images while in e-shutter.
I give the R5 a 0% chance and the R6 a 1% chance of having a high speed readout on the sensor. Therefore IMO, the 20FPS spec is just a paper spec as it would have no usefulness in the field. I don't need (or want) 20FPS for perched or slow moving subjects. I only turn my A9 up to 20FPS when after the fastest BIF or some crazy action. Otherwise you just get too many frames and culling is a burden afterwards. However, 12FPS mechanical is still an awesome frame rate and I would be happy with 12FPS for 90% of the stuff I shoot.
The only problem I have with having a silent shutter that can't be used for fast action (what I currently face when using my A7RIV and Z50) is that I'm always having to be aware of switching back and forth between e-shutter and mechanical. I use e-shutter to be stealth and to get a higher % of perfect focus at slower SS (could be critical with f/11 lenses on the R5/R6). But then if I anticipate any sort of quickly developing action I have to be back in mechanical to avoid distortion and cut apart wings.
This is annoying to me after using the A9 for so long and never switching it out of e-shutter. Its not the end of the world for my shooting but I don't like having to manage it.
Sorry for the tangent....
I will say that the R6 is starting to interest me more and more in comparison to the R5.
If it really does have the same EVF, same AF, same FPS, same battery and decent file management writing to USH-II cards (unlike Sony) then the only thing I would really miss will be the top plate LCD (something I really miss on my Sony and Nikon MILCs)....Show more →
Thanks Geoff, a lot of valuable info here from someone that mostly shoots wildlife. Appreciate your insight
EB-1 wrote:
OK, I had to look up that one. I thought it might be the Egyptian sun god or the place to return a defective camera.
So far only the R5 is remotely appetizing to me, but the compromises that place the primary use as video and the new sluggish lenses are really turning me off from the R system as a whole.
EBH
If you have 600 f4, 200-400f4, etc the adaptor is insignificant size increase. Plus, you get full sensor AF coverage even above f8. Problem with R is that it is slow compared to 5D4 and 1DXII and slow buffer. EVF stop and go is also annoying. Hope the R5 is in a totally different ballpark.
As for fast lenses, the 28-70 f2 and 50 f1.2 are lovely. The RF 70-200 f2.8 Is better than the EF, except it can't use a TC. I got the R just to use the new lenses. I knew the body is only a stop gap and was prepared to sell it once a R5 level camera comes out. Other than action and fps, R actually takes better shots than 5D4 and is my go to body for now.
mb126 wrote:
The chances that the R6 has the 1DX3 sensor at the rumored price point (<3000) rea approximately 0.
The chances that the R6 has the 1DX2 sensor with some modifications for mirrorless at the rumored price point are very reasonable. The rumored video specs, resolution, and price point all very much support this hypothesis.
And actually the R6 is an ultra compelling wedding camera if that's the case. The 1DX2 are still my favorite files of all time and 20mp is plenty for weddings. I initially didn't think I'd have any interest in this thing but I can very easily see R5/R6 being a perfect two camera kit with an old 1DX in the bag for when the weather gets nasty or something breaks. ...Show more →
When 5D2 came out ($3499) months after 1Ds III ($8000) it also used a similar 21 megapixel CMOS sensor. So 44% of msrp of the 1D camera. The current 1DXIII goes for $6500, that will be about $2842 for R6. Who knows. At least from tests, the mirrorless AF performance of 1DXIII showed that Canon mirrorless tech has improved tremendously from EOS R.
JaimitoFrog wrote:
When 5D2 came out ($3499) months after 1Ds III ($8000) it also used a similar 21 megapixel CMOS sensor. So 44% of msrp of the 1D camera. The current 1DXIII goes for $6500, that will be about $2842 for R6. Who knows. At least from tests, the mirrorless AF performance of 1DXIII showed that Canon mirrorless tech has improved tremendously from EOS R.
If Canon is to claim the “Lord of the Mirrorless” title, they will need to best Sony’s AF on the A73. I am confident the R6 will have superb AF!
