Archive 2020 · EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
p.9 #1EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
RustyBug wrote:
Not sure I can go with the "Home Run" theory on the R.
Two or Three Reasons:
1) IBIS ... where are you
2) After multiple store demo visits and shooting it with multiple lenses, it didn't open my wallet (yet)
3) Still has an AA filter (YMMV)
That said, I'd give it a solid base hit, maybe a double ... which puts Canon FF mirrorless in "scoring position" for whenever they get their next hit. If they put IBIS in their next mirrorless FF bodies (or bring out a killer 7R), then I think we can start talking about scoring runs.
Till then, the R & RP just put runners on base, with the R in scoring position ... a nice at bat ... but, certainly not what I'd call a "Home Run" on the first at bat.
You forgot about the lovely single card slot, the mega speed fps, the amazing touch bar, etc....the R was a walk to first base (batter was hit by a pitch)...Not to mention that the card slot remained SD ... i.e. current consumer oriented (which is fine for the price point). As others are moving toward faster card types, I couldn't quite see investing in something that wasn't future oriented. Again, nice enough for the price point (kinda sorta) ... i.e. still not a home run.
Pondering if a used R might become a backup bargain once the 5R hits the stores. Imo, anything that I'd be considering as a "backup bargain" ... well, that just doesn't quite conjure up the notion of Home Run, either.
On a camera like this it makes almost NO difference that the cards are SD. SD are cheap , easy to find and more than fast enough.
On the 1Dx ll and lll the only reason to need a faster card is not to shoot images but to shoot full-blown either 4K or 8K video.
If you are not gonna shoot more than HD video then it's a waste of money to use ultra expensive CFast and CFexpress cards!!! Being a consumer camera or a pro camera has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately the cameras have to be spec'd for their highest use, and that's video!
John
artsupreme wrote
RustyBug wrote
Late to the party ...Not sure I can go with the "Home Run" theory on the R.
Two or Three Reasons:
1) IBIS ... where are you
2) After multiple store demo visits and shooting it with multiple lenses, it didn't open my wallet (yet)
3) Still has an AA filter (YMMV)
That said, I'd give it a solid base hit, maybe a double ... which puts Canon FF mirrorless in "scoring position" for whenever they get their next hit. If they put IBIS in their next mirrorless FF bodies (or bring out a killer 7R), then I think we can start talking about scoring runs.
Till then, the R & RP just put runners on base, with the R in scoring position ... a nice at bat ... but, certainly not what I'd call a "Home Run" on the first at bat.
Pondering if a used R might become a backup bargain once the 5R hits the stores. Imo, anything that I'd be considering as a "backup bargain" ... well, that just doesn't quite conjure up the notion of Home Run, either.
On a camera like this it makes almost NO difference that the cards are SD. SD are cheap , easy to find and more than fast enough.
On the 1Dx ll and lll the only reason to need a faster card is not to shoot images but to shoot full-blown either 4K or 8K video.
If you are not gonna shoot more than HD video then it's a waste of money to use ultra expensive CFast and CFexpress cards!!! Being a consumer camera or a pro camera has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately the cameras have to be spec'd for their highest use, and that's video!
John
Feb 19, 2020 at 01:31 AM
p.9 #2EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
JohnSil wrote:
Not sure I can go with the "Home Run" theory on the R.
Two or Three Reasons:
1) IBIS ... where are you
2) After multiple store demo visits and shooting it with multiple lenses, it didn't open my wallet (yet)
3) Still has an AA filter (YMMV)
That said, I'd give it a solid base hit, maybe a double ... which puts Canon FF mirrorless in "scoring position" for whenever they get their next hit. If they put IBIS in their next mirrorless FF bodies (or bring out a killer 7R), then I think we can start talking about scoring runs.
Till then, the R & RP just put runners on base, with the R in scoring position ... a nice at bat ... but, certainly not what I'd call a "Home Run" on the first at bat.You forgot about the lovely single card slot, the mega speed fps, the amazing touch bar, etc....the R was a walk to first base (batter was hit by a pitch)...Not to mention that the card slot remained SD ... i.e. current consumer oriented (which is fine for the price point). As others are moving toward faster card types, I couldn't quite see investing in something that wasn't future oriented. Again, nice enough for the price point (kinda sorta) ... i.e. still not a home run.
Pondering if a used R might become a backup bargain once the 5R hits the stores. Imo, anything that I'd be considering as a "backup bargain" ... well, that just doesn't quite conjure up the notion of Home Run, either.On a camera like this it makes almost NO difference that the cards are SD. SD are cheap , easy to find and more than fast enough.
On the 1Dx ll and lll the only reason to need a faster card is not to shoot images but to shoot full-blown either 4K or 8K video.
If you are not gonna shoot more than HD video then it's a waste of money to use ultra expensive CFast and CFexpress cards!!! Being a consumer camera or a pro camera has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately the cameras have to be spec'd for...Show more →
Huh? The CFExpress cards are crucial for the unlimited buffer and instant buffer clearing for stills on the 1DXIII. Very important for a pro stills camera. If the R5 uses SD UHS II cards it will be a huge (uh narrow) bottleneck for the buffer for 20 fps stills shooting.
Encoded 8K video in 16:9 at 30 fps is a piece of cake compared to the full sensor in lossless RAW at 20 fps.
RustyBug wrote
artsupreme wrote
RustyBug wrote
Late to the party ...Not sure I can go with the "Home Run" theory on the R.
Two or Three Reasons:
1) IBIS ... where are you
2) After multiple store demo visits and shooting it with multiple lenses, it didn't open my wallet (yet)
3) Still has an AA filter (YMMV)
That said, I'd give it a solid base hit, maybe a double ... which puts Canon FF mirrorless in "scoring position" for whenever they get their next hit. If they put IBIS in their next mirrorless FF bodies (or bring out a killer 7R), then I think we can start talking about scoring runs.
Till then, the R & RP just put runners on base, with the R in scoring position ... a nice at bat ... but, certainly not what I'd call a "Home Run" on the first at bat.
Pondering if a used R might become a backup bargain once the 5R hits the stores. Imo, anything that I'd be considering as a "backup bargain" ... well, that just doesn't quite conjure up the notion of Home Run, either.
On the 1Dx ll and lll the only reason to need a faster card is not to shoot images but to shoot full-blown either 4K or 8K video.
If you are not gonna shoot more than HD video then it's a waste of money to use ultra expensive CFast and CFexpress cards!!! Being a consumer camera or a pro camera has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately the cameras have to be spec'd for...Show more →
Huh? The CFExpress cards are crucial for the unlimited buffer and instant buffer clearing for stills on the 1DXIII. Very important for a pro stills camera. If the R5 uses SD UHS II cards it will be a huge (uh narrow) bottleneck for the buffer for 20 fps stills shooting.
Encoded 8K video in 16:9 at 30 fps is a piece of cake compared to the full sensor in lossless RAW at 20 fps.
Feb 19, 2020 at 01:52 AM
p.9 #3EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Timothy OConn wrote:
Most camera releases don't live up to the hype. The normal pattern seems to be:
- rumor mill goes nuts
- camera is released with a number of rumored items incorrect.
- people get mad and bitch and moan on DPR
- time passes and people realise that it's not actually that bad.
- eventually a loyal following of users champion the camera, defending it against any criticism on DPR.
- rinse and repeat
You forgot one step....the successor comes out and all of a sudden the loyal users that have been championing it for the past 4 years finally start leaving honest comments about its' shortcomings instead of all the championing that was really just trying to justify their investment in the camera in the first place
Most camera releases don't live up to the hype. The normal pattern seems to be:
- rumor mill goes nuts
- camera is released with a number of rumored items incorrect.
- people get mad and bitch and moan on DPR
- time passes and people realise that it's not actually that bad.
- eventually a loyal following of users champion the camera, defending it against any criticism on DPR.
- rinse and repeat
You forgot one step....the successor comes out and all of a sudden the loyal users that have been championing it for the past 4 years finally start leaving honest comments about its' shortcomings instead of all the championing that was really just trying to justify their investment in the camera in the first place
Feb 19, 2020 at 06:07 AM
p.9 #4EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
arbitrage wrote:
- rumor mill goes nuts
- camera is released with a number of rumored items incorrect.
- people get mad and bitch and moan on DPR
- time passes and people realise that it's not actually that bad.
- eventually a loyal following of users champion the camera, defending it against any criticism on DPR.
- rinse and repeatYou forgot one step....the successor comes out and all of a sudden the loyal users that have been championing it for the past 4 years finally start leaving honest comments about its' shortcomings instead of all the championing that was really just trying to justify their investment in the camera in the first place
Yes, I find that honeymoon period to be very funny. I have lost track of how many members on different forums really push a new model, but then weeks or months later, their tunes are very different. Of course we have the opposite, a few members that really push a model as being the best ever, like a couple I know around the EOS R. Fun times!
Timothy OConn wrote
Most camera releases don't live up to the hype. The normal pattern seems to be:- rumor mill goes nuts
- camera is released with a number of rumored items incorrect.
- people get mad and bitch and moan on DPR
- time passes and people realise that it's not actually that bad.
- eventually a loyal following of users champion the camera, defending it against any criticism on DPR.
- rinse and repeat
Yes, I find that honeymoon period to be very funny. I have lost track of how many members on different forums really push a new model, but then weeks or months later, their tunes are very different. Of course we have the opposite, a few members that really push a model as being the best ever, like a couple I know around the EOS R. Fun times!
Feb 19, 2020 at 06:22 AM
p.9 #5EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
arbitrage wrote:
- rumor mill goes nuts
- camera is released with a number of rumored items incorrect.
- people get mad and bitch and moan on DPR
- time passes and people realise that it's not actually that bad.
- eventually a loyal following of users champion the camera, defending it against any criticism on DPR.
- rinse and repeatYou forgot one step....the successor comes out and all of a sudden the loyal users that have been championing it for the past 4 years finally start leaving honest comments about its' shortcomings instead of all the championing that was really just trying to justify their investment in the camera in the first place
Yeah, my first DSLR, a 350D had a lot of shortcomings. No video, no IBIS, no eye AF, no deep learning. I admit it now.
Timothy OConn wrote
Most camera releases don't live up to the hype. The normal pattern seems to be:- rumor mill goes nuts
- camera is released with a number of rumored items incorrect.
- people get mad and bitch and moan on DPR
- time passes and people realise that it's not actually that bad.
- eventually a loyal following of users champion the camera, defending it against any criticism on DPR.
- rinse and repeat
Yeah, my first DSLR, a 350D had a lot of shortcomings. No video, no IBIS, no eye AF, no deep learning. I admit it now.
Feb 19, 2020 at 06:23 AM
p.9 #6EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
The EOS-R5 should logically be an allround mirrorless pro body like the 5DIV is an allround pro dslr. There is not yet a reason to release a 1DX like mirrorless AF and speed monster because Canon still needs a couple of years to make the RF lenses for such a body, like a 300mm f2.8, 500mm f4, 400mm f2.8
Because the existing EF lenses adapt very well to the EOS-R, everybody seems to think that Canon will be content to develop a mirrorless top body without the neccessary EF lenses, but that is not like Canon.
Look at the EF lenses developed so far: they all fit a 5DIV like pro allround mirrorless body like a glove. Canon has most likely with intent worked on the lenses for the EOS-R5, and now they're here, it's time for the body. I don't expect super sports wildlife performance yet though, that is for what comes after, when they have the lenses ready.
Because the existing EF lenses adapt very well to the EOS-R, everybody seems to think that Canon will be content to develop a mirrorless top body without the neccessary EF lenses, but that is not like Canon.
Look at the EF lenses developed so far: they all fit a 5DIV like pro allround mirrorless body like a glove. Canon has most likely with intent worked on the lenses for the EOS-R5, and now they're here, it's time for the body. I don't expect super sports wildlife performance yet though, that is for what comes after, when they have the lenses ready.
Feb 19, 2020 at 07:10 AM
p.9 #7EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
alundeb wrote:
Huh? The CFExpress cards are crucial for the unlimited buffer and instant buffer clearing for stills on the 1DXIII. Very important for a pro stills camera. If the R5 uses SD UHS II cards it will be a huge (uh narrow) bottleneck for the buffer for 20 fps stills shooting.
Encoded 8K video in 16:9 at 30 fps is a piece of cake compared to the full sensor in lossless RAW at 20 fps.
We still don’t know under what circumstances it will reach 20fps, but I’m pretty sure it will not be when shooting lossless RAW 45MP stills. The 24MP Sony A9 has a stacked sensor (fastest readout there is) and can only reach 20fps shooting compressed RAW, but it does have a huge buffer that gets around the relative bottleneck of UHS-II SD cards to some extent
Huh? The CFExpress cards are crucial for the unlimited buffer and instant buffer clearing for stills on the 1DXIII. Very important for a pro stills camera. If the R5 uses SD UHS II cards it will be a huge (uh narrow) bottleneck for the buffer for 20 fps stills shooting.
Encoded 8K video in 16:9 at 30 fps is a piece of cake compared to the full sensor in lossless RAW at 20 fps.
We still don’t know under what circumstances it will reach 20fps, but I’m pretty sure it will not be when shooting lossless RAW 45MP stills. The 24MP Sony A9 has a stacked sensor (fastest readout there is) and can only reach 20fps shooting compressed RAW, but it does have a huge buffer that gets around the relative bottleneck of UHS-II SD cards to some extent
Feb 19, 2020 at 11:31 PM
p.9 #8EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
ChrisMak wrote:
The EOS-R5 should logically be an allround mirrorless pro body like the 5DIV is an allround pro dslr. There is not yet a reason to release a 1DX like mirrorless AF and speed monster because Canon still needs a couple of years to make the RF lenses for such a body, like a 300mm f2.8, 500mm f4, 400mm f2.8
Because the existing EF lenses adapt very well to the EOS-R, everybody seems to think that Canon will be content to develop a mirrorless top body without the neccessary EF lenses, but that is not like Canon.
Look at the EF lenses...Show more →
The R5 should be an all around body like the 5D IV, but at 45MP it certainly is not.
EBH
The EOS-R5 should logically be an allround mirrorless pro body like the 5DIV is an allround pro dslr. There is not yet a reason to release a 1DX like mirrorless AF and speed monster because Canon still needs a couple of years to make the RF lenses for such a body, like a 300mm f2.8, 500mm f4, 400mm f2.8
Because the existing EF lenses adapt very well to the EOS-R, everybody seems to think that Canon will be content to develop a mirrorless top body without the neccessary EF lenses, but that is not like Canon.
Look at the EF lenses...Show more →
The R5 should be an all around body like the 5D IV, but at 45MP it certainly is not.
EBH
Feb 19, 2020 at 11:46 PM
p.9 #9EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
wordfool wrote:
We still don’t know under what circumstances it will reach 20fps, but I’m pretty sure it will not be when shooting lossless RAW 45MP stills. The 24MP Sony A9 has a stacked sensor (fastest readout there is) and can only reach 20fps shooting compressed RAW, but it does have a huge buffer that gets around the relative bottleneck of UHS-II SD cards to some extent
Not sure how compressed raw on the A9 is but c-raw (lossy compressed) on Canon is great because there’s virtually no visible difference in IQ in real world practice.
Feb 20, 2020 at 12:35 AM
p.9 #10EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
EB-1 wrote:
Because the existing EF lenses adapt very well to the EOS-R, everybody seems to think that Canon will be content to develop a mirrorless top body without the neccessary EF lenses, but that is not like Canon.
Look at the EF lenses developed so far: they all fit a 5DIV like pro allround mirrorless body like a glove. Canon has most likely with intent worked on the lenses for the EOS-R5, and now they're here, it's time for the body. I don't expect super sports wildlife performance yet though, that is for what comes after, when they have the lenses ready.The R5 should be an all around body like the 5D IV, but at 45MP it certainly is not.
EBH
I am at a loss regarding your resolution requirements. There will be three resolution classes from Canon in the new generation RF mount cameras. 20, 45 and 84 MP (roughly). Three resolutions with sensible doubling between. How can 45 in the middle not be an allround body?
ChrisMak wrote
The EOS-R5 should logically be an allround mirrorless pro body like the 5DIV is an allround pro dslr. There is not yet a reason to release a 1DX like mirrorless AF and speed monster because Canon still needs a couple of years to make the RF lenses for such a body, like a 300mm f2.8, 500mm f4, 400mm f2.8Because the existing EF lenses adapt very well to the EOS-R, everybody seems to think that Canon will be content to develop a mirrorless top body without the neccessary EF lenses, but that is not like Canon.
Look at the EF lenses developed so far: they all fit a 5DIV like pro allround mirrorless body like a glove. Canon has most likely with intent worked on the lenses for the EOS-R5, and now they're here, it's time for the body. I don't expect super sports wildlife performance yet though, that is for what comes after, when they have the lenses ready.
EBH
I am at a loss regarding your resolution requirements. There will be three resolution classes from Canon in the new generation RF mount cameras. 20, 45 and 84 MP (roughly). Three resolutions with sensible doubling between. How can 45 in the middle not be an allround body?
Feb 20, 2020 at 01:17 AM
p.9 #11EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
wordfool wrote:
Encoded 8K video in 16:9 at 30 fps is a piece of cake compared to the full sensor in lossless RAW at 20 fps.We still don’t know under what circumstances it will reach 20fps, but I’m pretty sure it will not be when shooting lossless RAW 45MP stills. The 24MP Sony A9 has a stacked sensor (fastest readout there is) and can only reach 20fps shooting compressed RAW, but it does have a huge buffer that gets around the relative bottleneck of UHS-II SD cards to some extent
Good point. But it only reinforces the fact that high speed cards are useful for stills. Higher speed cards could mean less limitations on possible file quality.
Fast cards is the way to go. Huge buffers will always suffer from long clearing times.
alundeb wrote
Huh? The CFExpress cards are crucial for the unlimited buffer and instant buffer clearing for stills on the 1DXIII. Very important for a pro stills camera. If the R5 uses SD UHS II cards it will be a huge (uh narrow) bottleneck for the buffer for 20 fps stills shooting.Encoded 8K video in 16:9 at 30 fps is a piece of cake compared to the full sensor in lossless RAW at 20 fps.
Good point. But it only reinforces the fact that high speed cards are useful for stills. Higher speed cards could mean less limitations on possible file quality.
Fast cards is the way to go. Huge buffers will always suffer from long clearing times.
Feb 20, 2020 at 01:39 AM
p.9 #12EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
alundeb wrote:
Because the existing EF lenses adapt very well to the EOS-R, everybody seems to think that Canon will be content to develop a mirrorless top body without the neccessary EF lenses, but that is not like Canon.
Look at the EF lenses developed so far: they all fit a 5DIV like pro allround mirrorless body like a glove. Canon has most likely with intent worked on the lenses for the EOS-R5, and now they're here, it's time for the body. I don't expect super sports wildlife performance yet though, that is for what comes after, when they have the lenses ready.The R5 should be an all around body like the 5D IV, but at 45MP it certainly is not.
EBHI am at a loss regarding your resolution requirements. There will be three resolution classes from Canon in the new generation RF mount cameras. 20, 45 and 84 MP (roughly). Three resolutions with sensible doubling between. How can 45 in the middle not be an allround body?
It can not, because it is double of what I need. 20-24 is MY all around resolution.
EB-1 wrote
ChrisMak wrote
The EOS-R5 should logically be an allround mirrorless pro body like the 5DIV is an allround pro dslr. There is not yet a reason to release a 1DX like mirrorless AF and speed monster because Canon still needs a couple of years to make the RF lenses for such a body, like a 300mm f2.8, 500mm f4, 400mm f2.8Because the existing EF lenses adapt very well to the EOS-R, everybody seems to think that Canon will be content to develop a mirrorless top body without the neccessary EF lenses, but that is not like Canon.
Look at the EF lenses developed so far: they all fit a 5DIV like pro allround mirrorless body like a glove. Canon has most likely with intent worked on the lenses for the EOS-R5, and now they're here, it's time for the body. I don't expect super sports wildlife performance yet though, that is for what comes after, when they have the lenses ready.
EBH
It can not, because it is double of what I need. 20-24 is MY all around resolution.
Feb 20, 2020 at 02:14 AM
p.9 #13EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
... for those there will be a crop mode . Remember the EOS R for instance already provides EF-S compatibility (via adapter) and switching automatically into crop mode.
. Remember the EOS R for instance already provides EF-S compatibility (via adapter) and switching automatically into crop mode.Feb 20, 2020 at 02:19 AM
p.9 #14EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
greenfield wrote:
... for those there will be a crop mode. Remember the EOS R for instance already provides EF-S compatibility (via adapter) and switching automatically into crop mode.
ALREADY
... for those there will be a crop mode
. Remember the EOS R for instance already provides EF-S compatibility (via adapter) and switching automatically into crop mode.ALREADY
Feb 20, 2020 at 02:24 AM
p.9 #15EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Ralph Conway wrote:
Because the existing EF lenses adapt very well to the EOS-R, everybody seems to think that Canon will be content to develop a mirrorless top body without the neccessary EF lenses, but that is not like Canon.
Look at the EF lenses developed so far: they all fit a 5DIV like pro allround mirrorless body like a glove. Canon has most likely with intent worked on the lenses for the EOS-R5, and now they're here, it's time for the body. I don't expect super sports wildlife performance yet though, that is for what comes after, when they have the lenses ready.The R5 should be an all around body like the 5D IV, but at 45MP it certainly is not.
EBHI am at a loss regarding your resolution requirements. There will be three resolution classes from Canon in the new generation RF mount cameras. 20, 45 and 84 MP (roughly). Three resolutions with sensible doubling between. How can 45 in the middle not be an allround body?It can not, because it is double of what I need. 20-24 is MY all around resolution.
I would need only 12 MP as my all-round / low light camera, or when I want to do 20 fps without filling my card up. 4MP is enough if I want to see in the pitch black night. 28 Mp would be nice for general purpose excpet for landscape and cropping ability. No wait, make that 32 or I am going to die. Except for when my general purpose camera really needs to be no more than 20MP. 84 MP would be my all-round / landscape camera, as long as I don't go for 150 MP Phase one for dedicated landscape stuff. Shame there is no 400 MP available, to at least match large format film. 45 MP is just so useless, If they only made it 50 to make it not a downgrade from the 5DSR. No wait, that is going to hurt the noise. No more than 42 MP, or it will be a disaster. After thinking about it, why not 36 MP. That was so successful with the D800. It used to be the pinnacle of high res, but on the other hand now it is maybe a little lackluster for all-round use. This is so difficult. Maybe 40 blank is the answer after all. Hm. Nudge that up to 41. It is certainly still going to save the day compared to 45!
Since this is the internet, sarcasm in italic
alundeb wrote
EB-1 wrote
ChrisMak wrote
The EOS-R5 should logically be an allround mirrorless pro body like the 5DIV is an allround pro dslr. There is not yet a reason to release a 1DX like mirrorless AF and speed monster because Canon still needs a couple of years to make the RF lenses for such a body, like a 300mm f2.8, 500mm f4, 400mm f2.8Because the existing EF lenses adapt very well to the EOS-R, everybody seems to think that Canon will be content to develop a mirrorless top body without the neccessary EF lenses, but that is not like Canon.
Look at the EF lenses developed so far: they all fit a 5DIV like pro allround mirrorless body like a glove. Canon has most likely with intent worked on the lenses for the EOS-R5, and now they're here, it's time for the body. I don't expect super sports wildlife performance yet though, that is for what comes after, when they have the lenses ready.
EBH
I would need only 12 MP as my all-round / low light camera, or when I want to do 20 fps without filling my card up. 4MP is enough if I want to see in the pitch black night. 28 Mp would be nice for general purpose excpet for landscape and cropping ability. No wait, make that 32 or I am going to die. Except for when my general purpose camera really needs to be no more than 20MP. 84 MP would be my all-round / landscape camera, as long as I don't go for 150 MP Phase one for dedicated landscape stuff. Shame there is no 400 MP available, to at least match large format film. 45 MP is just so useless, If they only made it 50 to make it not a downgrade from the 5DSR. No wait, that is going to hurt the noise. No more than 42 MP, or it will be a disaster. After thinking about it, why not 36 MP. That was so successful with the D800. It used to be the pinnacle of high res, but on the other hand now it is maybe a little lackluster for all-round use. This is so difficult. Maybe 40 blank is the answer after all. Hm. Nudge that up to 41. It is certainly still going to save the day compared to 45!
Since this is the internet, sarcasm in italic
Feb 20, 2020 at 02:25 AM
p.9 #16EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Like the FROdo would say:
"One Body to rule them all ..."
"One Body to rule them all ..."
Feb 20, 2020 at 03:03 AM
p.9 #17EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
EB-1 wrote:
Because the existing EF lenses adapt very well to the EOS-R, everybody seems to think that Canon will be content to develop a mirrorless top body without the neccessary EF lenses, but that is not like Canon.
Look at the EF lenses developed so far: they all fit a 5DIV like pro allround mirrorless body like a glove. Canon has most likely with intent worked on the lenses for the EOS-R5, and now they're here, it's time for the body. I don't expect super sports wildlife performance yet though, that is for what comes after, when they have the lenses ready.The R5 should be an all around body like the 5D IV, but at 45MP it certainly is not.
EBH
Actually, for me using the 7DII and looking to upgrade, a 45mp R5 would be ideal. The 32,5mp 90D is too much for my liking, so I would hope that Canon does not bring that sensor along to a possible mirrorless 7DII, which is unsure to ever materialize anyhow. So my personal hope is for a 45-50mp FF R body. I would not know otherwise what to put the 400DOII on.
But I agree, it will not be to everyone's liking. Perhaps Canon decided that they had to put something against the Nikon Z7 and the Sony A7RIV, and could not get away with yet another 30mp 5-series body.
ChrisMak wrote
The EOS-R5 should logically be an allround mirrorless pro body like the 5DIV is an allround pro dslr. There is not yet a reason to release a 1DX like mirrorless AF and speed monster because Canon still needs a couple of years to make the RF lenses for such a body, like a 300mm f2.8, 500mm f4, 400mm f2.8Because the existing EF lenses adapt very well to the EOS-R, everybody seems to think that Canon will be content to develop a mirrorless top body without the neccessary EF lenses, but that is not like Canon.
Look at the EF lenses developed so far: they all fit a 5DIV like pro allround mirrorless body like a glove. Canon has most likely with intent worked on the lenses for the EOS-R5, and now they're here, it's time for the body. I don't expect super sports wildlife performance yet though, that is for what comes after, when they have the lenses ready.
EBH
Actually, for me using the 7DII and looking to upgrade, a 45mp R5 would be ideal. The 32,5mp 90D is too much for my liking, so I would hope that Canon does not bring that sensor along to a possible mirrorless 7DII, which is unsure to ever materialize anyhow. So my personal hope is for a 45-50mp FF R body. I would not know otherwise what to put the 400DOII on.
But I agree, it will not be to everyone's liking. Perhaps Canon decided that they had to put something against the Nikon Z7 and the Sony A7RIV, and could not get away with yet another 30mp 5-series body.
Feb 20, 2020 at 09:00 AM
p.9 #18EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
alundeb wrote:
Encoded 8K video in 16:9 at 30 fps is a piece of cake compared to the full sensor in lossless RAW at 20 fps.We still don’t know under what circumstances it will reach 20fps, but I’m pretty sure it will not be when shooting lossless RAW 45MP stills. The 24MP Sony A9 has a stacked sensor (fastest readout there is) and can only reach 20fps shooting compressed RAW, but it does have a huge buffer that gets around the relative bottleneck of UHS-II SD cards to some extentGood point. But it only reinforces the fact that high speed cards are useful for stills. Higher speed cards could mean less limitations on possible file quality.
Fast cards is the way to go. Huge buffers will always suffer from long clearing times.
I think it's going to be large cards. If that picture isn't fake, this huge door must be hiding something big.
Maybe a heatsink
wordfool wrote
alundeb wrote
Huh? The CFExpress cards are crucial for the unlimited buffer and instant buffer clearing for stills on the 1DXIII. Very important for a pro stills camera. If the R5 uses SD UHS II cards it will be a huge (uh narrow) bottleneck for the buffer for 20 fps stills shooting.Encoded 8K video in 16:9 at 30 fps is a piece of cake compared to the full sensor in lossless RAW at 20 fps.
Fast cards is the way to go. Huge buffers will always suffer from long clearing times.
I think it's going to be large cards. If that picture isn't fake, this huge door must be hiding something big.
Maybe a heatsink
Feb 20, 2020 at 09:37 AM
p.9 #19EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
alundeb wrote:
Not sure I can go with the "Home Run" theory on the R.
Two or Three Reasons:
1) IBIS ... where are you
2) After multiple store demo visits and shooting it with multiple lenses, it didn't open my wallet (yet)
3) Still has an AA filter (YMMV)
That said, I'd give it a solid base hit, maybe a double ... which puts Canon FF mirrorless in "scoring position" for whenever they get their next hit. If they put IBIS in their next mirrorless FF bodies (or bring out a killer 7R), then I think we can start talking about scoring runs.
Till then, the R & RP just put runners on base, with the R in scoring position ... a nice at bat ... but, certainly not what I'd call a "Home Run" on the first at bat.You forgot about the lovely single card slot, the mega speed fps, the amazing touch bar, etc....the R was a walk to first base (batter was hit by a pitch)...Not to mention that the card slot remained SD ... i.e. current consumer oriented (which is fine for the price point). As others are moving toward faster card types, I couldn't quite see investing in something that wasn't future oriented. Again, nice enough for the price point (kinda sorta) ... i.e. still not a home run.
Pondering if a used R might become a backup bargain once the 5R hits the stores. Imo, anything that I'd be considering as a "backup bargain" ... well, that just doesn't quite conjure up the notion of Home Run, either.On a camera like this it makes almost NO difference that the cards are SD. SD are cheap , easy to find and more than fast enough.
On the 1Dx ll and lll the only reason to need a faster card is not to shoot images but to shoot full-blown either 4K or 8K video.
If you are not gonna shoot more than HD video then it's a waste of money to use ultra expensive CFast and CFexpress cards!!! Being a consumer camera or a pro camera has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately the cameras have to be spec'd for their highest use, and that's video!
JohnHuh? The CFExpress cards are crucial for the unlimited buffer and instant buffer clearing for stills on the 1DXIII. Very important for a pro stills camera. If the R5 uses SD UHS II cards it will be a huge (uh narrow) bottleneck for the buffer for 20 fps stills shooting.
Encoded 8K video in 16:9 at 30 fps is a piece of cake compared to the full sensor in lossless RAW at 20 fps.
I would be very surprised if the DIGIC inside the R5 could sustain 20 fps beyond the initial DRAM frame buffer. Shuffling data off the image sensor into memory @ 20fps is the easy part. Getting 45MP of data subsequently processed through DIGIC and ready to write out to CFE is a different matter. In other words, I would predict the media card wont be the bottleneck for the sustained fps.
JohnSil wrote
RustyBug wrote
artsupreme wrote
RustyBug wrote
Late to the party ...Not sure I can go with the "Home Run" theory on the R.
Two or Three Reasons:
1) IBIS ... where are you
2) After multiple store demo visits and shooting it with multiple lenses, it didn't open my wallet (yet)
3) Still has an AA filter (YMMV)
That said, I'd give it a solid base hit, maybe a double ... which puts Canon FF mirrorless in "scoring position" for whenever they get their next hit. If they put IBIS in their next mirrorless FF bodies (or bring out a killer 7R), then I think we can start talking about scoring runs.
Till then, the R & RP just put runners on base, with the R in scoring position ... a nice at bat ... but, certainly not what I'd call a "Home Run" on the first at bat.
Pondering if a used R might become a backup bargain once the 5R hits the stores. Imo, anything that I'd be considering as a "backup bargain" ... well, that just doesn't quite conjure up the notion of Home Run, either.
On the 1Dx ll and lll the only reason to need a faster card is not to shoot images but to shoot full-blown either 4K or 8K video.
If you are not gonna shoot more than HD video then it's a waste of money to use ultra expensive CFast and CFexpress cards!!! Being a consumer camera or a pro camera has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately the cameras have to be spec'd for their highest use, and that's video!
John
Encoded 8K video in 16:9 at 30 fps is a piece of cake compared to the full sensor in lossless RAW at 20 fps.
I would be very surprised if the DIGIC inside the R5 could sustain 20 fps beyond the initial DRAM frame buffer. Shuffling data off the image sensor into memory @ 20fps is the easy part. Getting 45MP of data subsequently processed through DIGIC and ready to write out to CFE is a different matter. In other words, I would predict the media card wont be the bottleneck for the sustained fps.
Feb 20, 2020 at 10:21 AM
p.9 #20EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
snapsy wrote:
Not sure I can go with the "Home Run" theory on the R.
Two or Three Reasons:
1) IBIS ... where are you
2) After multiple store demo visits and shooting it with multiple lenses, it didn't open my wallet (yet)
3) Still has an AA filter (YMMV)
That said, I'd give it a solid base hit, maybe a double ... which puts Canon FF mirrorless in "scoring position" for whenever they get their next hit. If they put IBIS in their next mirrorless FF bodies (or bring out a killer 7R), then I think we can start talking about scoring runs.
Till then, the R & RP just put runners on base, with the R in scoring position ... a nice at bat ... but, certainly not what I'd call a "Home Run" on the first at bat.You forgot about the lovely single card slot, the mega speed fps, the amazing touch bar, etc....the R was a walk to first base (batter was hit by a pitch)...Not to mention that the card slot remained SD ... i.e. current consumer oriented (which is fine for the price point). As others are moving toward faster card types, I couldn't quite see investing in something that wasn't future oriented. Again, nice enough for the price point (kinda sorta) ... i.e. still not a home run.
Pondering if a used R might become a backup bargain once the 5R hits the stores. Imo, anything that I'd be considering as a "backup bargain" ... well, that just doesn't quite conjure up the notion of Home Run, either.On a camera like this it makes almost NO difference that the cards are SD. SD are cheap , easy to find and more than fast enough.
On the 1Dx ll and lll the only reason to need a faster card is not to shoot images but to shoot full-blown either 4K or 8K video.
If you are not gonna shoot more than HD video then it's a waste of money to use ultra expensive CFast and CFexpress cards!!! Being a consumer camera or a pro camera has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately the cameras have to be spec'd for their highest use, and that's video!
JohnHuh? The CFExpress cards are crucial for the unlimited buffer and instant buffer clearing for stills on the 1DXIII. Very important for a pro stills camera. If the R5 uses SD UHS II cards it will be a huge (uh narrow) bottleneck for the buffer for 20 fps stills shooting.
Encoded 8K video in 16:9 at 30 fps is a piece of cake compared to the full sensor in lossless RAW at 20 fps.I would be very surprised if the DIGIC inside the R5 could sustain 20 fps beyond the initial DRAM frame buffer. Shuffling data off the image sensor into memory @ 20fps is the easy part. Getting 45MP of data subsequently processed through DIGIC and ready to write out to CFE is a different matter. In other words, I would predict the media card wont be the bottleneck for the sustained fps.
That doesn't sound right to me. If the buffer is before Digic, why do all cameras have unlimited buffer for jpg but very limited buffer for RAW?
alundeb wrote
JohnSil wrote
RustyBug wrote
artsupreme wrote
RustyBug wrote
Late to the party ...Not sure I can go with the "Home Run" theory on the R.
Two or Three Reasons:
1) IBIS ... where are you
2) After multiple store demo visits and shooting it with multiple lenses, it didn't open my wallet (yet)
3) Still has an AA filter (YMMV)
That said, I'd give it a solid base hit, maybe a double ... which puts Canon FF mirrorless in "scoring position" for whenever they get their next hit. If they put IBIS in their next mirrorless FF bodies (or bring out a killer 7R), then I think we can start talking about scoring runs.
Till then, the R & RP just put runners on base, with the R in scoring position ... a nice at bat ... but, certainly not what I'd call a "Home Run" on the first at bat.
Pondering if a used R might become a backup bargain once the 5R hits the stores. Imo, anything that I'd be considering as a "backup bargain" ... well, that just doesn't quite conjure up the notion of Home Run, either.
On the 1Dx ll and lll the only reason to need a faster card is not to shoot images but to shoot full-blown either 4K or 8K video.
If you are not gonna shoot more than HD video then it's a waste of money to use ultra expensive CFast and CFexpress cards!!! Being a consumer camera or a pro camera has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately the cameras have to be spec'd for their highest use, and that's video!
John
Encoded 8K video in 16:9 at 30 fps is a piece of cake compared to the full sensor in lossless RAW at 20 fps.
That doesn't sound right to me. If the buffer is before Digic, why do all cameras have unlimited buffer for jpg but very limited buffer for RAW?
Feb 20, 2020 at 10:25 AM