Yes, the R5 ánd the R7 (the 7DIII is zero % happening I assume). I assume that shooting the 1DXIII in live view mode with an EF lens would show you how the coming R5/7 bodies will perform with adapted EF lenses. So good to hear you were impressed with the 1DXIII in livd view mode! I think I will hang on to my 400DOII, although almost traded it in against a Z7.. good as the 500PF is, the 400DOII+1.4TC on 1.6x crop remains a 896mm f5.6 powerhouse.
arbitrage wrote:
Agreed. I was impressed with it in the few minutes I used it. I would have been a very happy camper if I'd stuck it out with Canon over the past few years and then got to buy this bad boy. Hopefully the R5 will continue this trend.
RobAmy wrote:
I agree my pictures are fairly basic and my 1dx Mark II, heck even the R could get them. Due to the lighting and weather conditions I know my 1dx II would of had a heck of a time vs the AF of the 1dx Mark III. From all the marketing I seen I never thought the deep learning was for wildlife. I guess the best thing for everyone to do is to get one and show me what it can really do. If it works like promised by a few of the comments here, then I will prepare myself to be wowed.
Seems like Canon was a bit rushed to get this out the door in time for the summer Olympics. The current camera trained for people, but not for wildlife (I've always thought the 1D series was for both sports and wildlife, not a 1D owner). I have no idea how much memory and what form the training info takes, so no feel for what the requirements actually are for this. Curious, though.
Makes me wonder this:
1) Will they release a firmware update for wildlife (thus enabling the camera to be trained for both), or
2) Will they release a b-version of the 1DX3 that is trained for animals/wildlife.
If 2, then it would have been nice if they could just have a module that plugs in to change the personality of the camera. Then the buyer could just get the module needed depending on if s/he is a sports or a wildlife shooter. Or both. Extra dollars for Canon, possibly.
I'm still put off by the MP count. 20 MP in 2020 feels too small. Cameras like the 5D4 are too slow for action (I still use mine for such, but it feel it fires off too slow, as too small a buffer, and the fps are too low) and the real choices offered by Canon currently range from a 10 fps, $1800 crop to a $6500 14-20 fps FF body. That just feels incomplete to me. I hope the R5/R6/R7 opens things up somehow for the wildlife Canon shooter. There should be a real solution between a 7Dx and a 1DXx.
RogerZoul wrote:
Seems like Canon was a bit rushed to get this out the door in time for the summer Olympics. The current camera trained for people, but not for wildlife (I've always thought the 1D series was for both sports and wildlife, not a 1D owner). I have no idea how much memory and what form the training info takes, so no feel for what the requirements actually are for this. Curious, though.
Makes me wonder this:
1) Will they release a firmware update for wildlife (thus enabling the camera to be trained for both), or
2) Will they release a b-version of the 1DX3 that is trained for animals/wildlife.
If 2, then it would have been nice if they could just have a module that plugs in to change the personality of the camera. Then the buyer could just get the module needed depending on if s/he is a sports or a wildlife shooter. Or both. Extra dollars for Canon, possibly.
I'm still put off by the MP count. 20 MP in 2020 feels too small. Cameras like the 5D4 are too slow for action (I still use mine for such, but it feel it fires off too slow, as too small a buffer, and the fps are too low) and the real choices offered by Canon currently range from a 10 fps, $1800 crop to a $6500 14-20 fps FF body. That just feels incomplete to me. I hope the R5/R6/R7 opens things up somehow for the wildlife Canon shooter. There should be a real solution between a 7Dx and a 1DXx. ...Show more →
This camera does not seemed rushed at all. A complete overhaul has been done here. This is the best upgrade from camera models for the AF ability alone. This does not need training for wildlife, it really tracks outstanding. It really is that good either in the OVF or the Live view. The 20Mp has been explained by Canon for their reasoning so it is what it is. I personally never have been bothered by the 20 MP so no biggie. Sure would it be a nice perk with more MP's sure but not needed for me anyway. The files are really good from this camera. Simply put this is the best camera I have used from Canon. Saying it was rush is just not a true statement at all. Granted you do not have to like because I do at all but Canon did do a nice job with this release.
RobAmy wrote:
This camera does not seemed rushed at all. A complete overhaul has been done here. This is the best upgrade from camera models for the AF ability alone. This does not need training for wildlife, it really tracks outstanding. It really is that good either in the OVF or the Live view. The 20Mp has been explained by Canon for their reasoning so it is what it is. I personally never have been bothered by the 20 MP so no biggie. Sure would it be a nice perk with more MP's sure but not needed for me anyway. The files are really good from this camera. Simply put this is the best camera I have used from Canon. Saying it was rush is just not a true statement at all. Granted you do not have to like because I do at all but Canon did do a nice job with this release. ...Show more →
I never had an issue with the file quality from the 1dx II, nor the 1dx III so far.
Would I like more, yes but would never trade for high noise...
I'm very happy with the tracking and focus in both ovf and live-view.
Did they get rid of the oil splatter... NO!!!... but 16 fps.. you need to grease some parts...
So I agree with, Rob..
Dlang wrote:
They can firmware update focusing algorithms, within the limitations of the hardware itself.
The hardware seems to be top notch, it can read and write faster than anything out there...
Which means it has the processing power and able to deal with heat dissipation.
They already said there is room for updates.
There are a bunch of constraints with updating neural networks and running them on embedded processors. EG- Probably training the network with animal images is doable and they have the sensor/processor margins to do it. I’m less sure what’s possible through OVF capability expansion, for example.
Anyway, we don’t know how Canon’s various IC workloads are parsed, what they’re doing to improve the efficiency of the stack, where the system bottlenecks are etc, hence my caveats.
RogerZoul wrote:
Seems like Canon was a bit rushed to get this out the door in time for the summer Olympics. The current camera trained for people, but not for wildlife (I've always thought the 1D series was for both sports and wildlife, not a 1D owner). I have no idea how much memory and what form the training info takes, so no feel for what the requirements actually are for this. Curious, though.
Makes me wonder this:
1) Will they release a firmware update for wildlife (thus enabling the camera to be trained for both), or
2) Will they release a b-version of the 1DX3 that is trained for animals/wildlife.
If 2, then it would have been nice if they could just have a module that plugs in to change the personality of the camera. Then the buyer could just get the module needed depending on if s/he is a sports or a wildlife shooter. Or both. Extra dollars for Canon, possibly.
I'm still put off by the MP count. 20 MP in 2020 feels too small. Cameras like the 5D4 are too slow for action (I still use mine for such, but it feel it fires off too slow, as too small a buffer, and the fps are too low) and the real choices offered by Canon currently range from a 10 fps, $1800 crop to a $6500 14-20 fps FF body. That just feels incomplete to me. I hope the R5/R6/R7 opens things up somehow for the wildlife Canon shooter. There should be a real solution between a 7Dx and a 1DXx. ...Show more →
I was hoping for more than 20mp myself, but the files from this camera are just so nice. I also like the 1dx and 1dx2 files.
As far as the autofocus goes I am not sure what more you can ask for. It does a great job at focusing on what you want it to. I haven't tested it out with dogs yet, but from what I am seeing I expect if I do my part I will have a lot of in focus images.
The video specs are insane. I intend to educate myself on video. I still haven't fully on stills, but I look forward to some high quality 4k wildlife video and dogs in action video.
I am not sure what seems rushed about this. Can you add more stuff always. Rushed no. This is a well thought out release.
As long as the AF system has good tuning to prioritize movement and follow subjects based on shapes and colours from where you initiate tracking I think adding actual animal or bird data is not really necessary. Yes, animal eye-AF is sometimes fun to play around with and cool to see when it starts tracking a birds' eye but we aren't shooting these subjects with 85/1.2 lenses near MFD and need the pupil to be critically in focus because if it isn't then only the eyelash will be. We do work in fairly narrow DOF but not to the extreme that focusing on a pupil is so critical.
Animal/bird head AF might be somewhat useful though.
My best shot of a Hairy Woodpecker to date. They are very skittish around here. The Canon 600mm with the 2x attached was a huge benefit for keeping a nice distance away.
RobAmy wrote:
My best shot of a Hairy Woodpecker to date. They are very skittish around here. The Canon 600mm with the 2x attached was a huge benefit for keeping a nice distance away.
