p.5 #1 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
Jorgen Udvang wrote:
The D750 didn't replace the D610. The D610 is a current model and is, or at least was, cheaper than the D750.
The D6xx was based on the D7000 chassis and I think both cameras were mistakes, especially since both were following up on the D700/D300. This is when Nikon started skimping on features like reverting to a 39 point AF system, which was going backwards to what was previously established. The D750 basically is what they should of released in the first place as an entry FX body.
p.5 #2 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
The D600/D610 and D750/D780 are not the direct successors to the D700; the D800/D800E/D810/D850 are. The D600/D610 and D750/D780 are less expensive, more compact FX DSLRs meant to make FX appeal to and be affordable for a larger customer base. It is true, they don't have all the features of the professional models but you can't really expect them to. If a product line is to contain models at different price points, something has to be taken out of the cheaper models to differentiate them from the top model. Usually this results in the camera being smaller and lighter but people don't seem to agree on which features to keep and which to remove. Nikon changes these parameters as they are not sure, either.
p.5 #3 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
I think when the S1's start dropping vastly in price and I have some mess around money I might pick one up. Out of the mirrorless systems it's actually one of my favorite body styles outside of the Fuji X-H1. Panasonic definitely provided a better body than Sony, just came at a premium that I didn't want to pay for. Jorgen Udvang wrote:
Yeah... many who don't use Panasonic cameras on a regular basis keep hearing that. I've used their cameras for ten years, and this is something I never worry about. I don't use them for sports and action though.
p.5 #4 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
Jonathan F wrote:
The D6xx was based on the D7000 chassis and I think both cameras were mistakes, especially since both were following up on the D700/D300. This is when Nikon started skimping on features like reverting to a 39 point AF system, which was going backwards to what was previously established. The D750 basically is what they should of released in the first place as an entry FX body.
The D600/610 has the worst ergonomics of all Nikon cameras I've owned. I wonder if the reason can be that they lacked the technology to reduce the thickness of the body. The newer D750 has a much slimmer body, which makes it easier to handle.
p.5 #5 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
ilkka_nissila wrote:
The D600/D610 and D750/D780 are not the direct successors to the D700; the D800/D800E/D810/D850 are. The D600/D610 and D750/D780 are less expensive, more compact FX DSLRs meant to make FX appeal to and be affordable for a larger customer base. It is true, they don't have all the features of the professional models but you can't really expect them to. If a product line is to contain models at different price points, something has to be taken out of the cheaper models to differentiate them from the top model. Usually this results in the camera being smaller and lighter but people don't seem to agree on which features to keep and which to remove. Nikon changes these parameters as they are not sure, either....Show more →
The D810 can be seen as a successor to the D700, the D800/E not so much. They were too slow. The D700 was more or less as fast as a D3 when the vertical grip and larger battery were fitted. Many sports photographers used the D700 because of that and because the combo was much cheaper than the D3.
p.5 #7 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
DLSR's will still be around as long as MF legacy glass mounts.
The # of stunning AF lenses available today is mind boggling.
F' IBIS. Oh, vinyl outsold CD's this year...just sayin'
p.5 #8 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
trenchmonkey wrote:
DLSR's will still be around as long as MF legacy glass mounts.
The # of stunning AF lenses available today is mind boggling.
F' IBIS. Oh, vinyl outsold CD's this year...just sayin'
p.5 #9 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
ShootPDX wrote:
After using mirrorless for a few months, I could not fathom going the DSLR route. Now, I’ve shot mirrorless for the past three years.
Just curious as I've never shot anything but SLR. What do you feel you dislike most about DSLR that mirrorless solved and what do you like most about mirrorless that DSLR can't solve ?
p.5 #10 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
Jonathan F wrote:
The D6xx was based on the D7000 chassis and I think both cameras were mistakes, especially since both were following up on the D700/D300. This is when Nikon started skimping on features like reverting to a 39 point AF system, which was going backwards to what was previously established. The D750 basically is what they should of released in the first place as an entry FX body.
Neither of those bodies was a follow-on the the D700/D300, the D7000 directly replaced the D90 and was an all-round update. At the point of the D7000's release the D300s was only a year old and still a very current body. The D600 was Nikon's first non-Pro UI FX body and came in well below the D700.
The D800 was intended as a replacement for the D700, largely because Nikon never quite understood the D700's appeal. It wasn't until the D850 that Nikon had a true replacement for the D700 at what it did best (fast with grip, pro UI and more compact than a Dx body without grip)
The D7000's 39 point AF was a major upgrade over the 11 point unit it replaced (used in the D90 and below and still in use today in the D3500)
The D750 was pretty clearly supposed to be the evolution of the entry-level FX body. Aside from the flip screen, it got almost all the same changes that the D7x00 line got when the D7100 replaced the D7000. But Nikon wasn't going to replace a less than 1 year old model (the D610) and Nikon to this day maintains that the D610 was a customer-demanded upgrade rather than a face savings exercise (apparently that extra 0.5fps was critical, )
p.5 #11 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
chez wrote:
That increase in sales happens every year during those three months...the graph clearly shows this. What is more unexplained is the much bigger drop in sales than normal during the beginning of 2019 and during the summer months. I think your 50% sales growth would be much less of a percentage if the camera sales didn't take such a big hit during the first half of the year.
It will be interesting to see if sales continue to take a big drop again in 2020 at the beginning of the year.
Of course sales are going to drop. Photography is an old person's hobby. And they are dying off every year. Less people to buy new gear.
I live by a major university with 49,000 students. I can go 6 months between times I spot a student with a digital camera. Young people have no interest in traditional camera gear. It's 100% mobile phones that take their photos. As such, traditional camera sales will continue to tank in 2020.
p.5 #12 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
rattymouse wrote:
I live by a major university with 49,000 students. I can go 6 months between times I spot a student with a digital camera. Young people have no interest in traditional camera gear. It's 100% mobile phones that take their photos. As such, traditional camera sales will continue to tank in 2020.
I'd disagree pretty intensively with this. Living in a major city with 3+ universities and a major art & film scene and I constantly see kids with digital cameras. And by constantly I mean weekly if not daily.
The folks not buying camera gear are the folks in their 30's and 40's. There's a huge interest in photography from the younger set and I see a lot more of them in camera stores than anybody else anymore, it's not unusual for me to be the oldest non-employee in the store (at 42). Heck film sales seem to be increasing and that's being driven by the younger set.
But they're budget limited (being young and income-limited) and new cameras bring little to the table over a 4-6 year old body that's already more than good enough.
Who is going to buy a D780 given you can get a D750 + 24-120+50/1.8 for less money than a D780 body only, and it will deliver indistinguishable images for 95% of shooters.
p.5 #13 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
mawz wrote:
I'd disagree pretty intensively with this. Living in a major city with 3+ universities and a major art & film scene and I constantly see kids with digital cameras. And by constantly I mean weekly if not daily.
The folks not buying camera gear are the folks in their 30's and 40's. There's a huge interest in photography from the younger set and I see a lot more of them in camera stores than anybody else anymore, it's not unusual for me to be the oldest non-employee in the store (at 42). Heck film sales seem to be increasing and that's being driven by the younger set.
But they're budget limited (being young and income-limited) and new cameras bring little to the table over a 4-6 year old body that's already more than good enough.
Who is going to buy a D780 given you can get a D750 + 24-120+50/1.8 for less money than a D780 body only, and it will deliver indistinguishable images for 95% of shooters. ...Show more →
Well if they're money challenged i.e. poor, and buying used gear, why are they blocking up camera stores, hogging sale associates' time, and dirtying up the floors?
p.5 #14 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
sum1sgrampa wrote:
Just curious as I've never shot anything but SLR. What do you feel you dislike most about DSLR that mirrorless solved and what do you like most about mirrorless that DSLR can't solve ?
Blackout free shooting of my a9ii has completely spoiled me. I like the live view setting that mirrorless provides. Sure, DSLR can do the same, but it removes the mirror from the DSLR's process, so why have the DSLR?
I like the size of mirrorless, and DSLR will likely never be able to get that small. I can always add a grip to my a9ii to make it larger, but I can't make a DSLR smaller.
Mirrorless is what I learned on, and I think it will only become more and more common as new folks enter the field and are drawn to the capabilities of mirrorless.
p.5 #16 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
Jonathan F wrote:
The D6xx was based on the D7000 chassis and I think both cameras were mistakes, especially since both were following up on the D700/D300. This is when Nikon started skimping on features like reverting to a 39 point AF system, which was going backwards to what was previously established. The D750 basically is what they should of released in the first place as an entry FX body.
The D600 was the first affordable FX body for many and for that reason it was significant. It is a capable camera, albeit no D700.
p.5 #17 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
Jorgen Udvang wrote:
The D600/610 has the worst ergonomics of all Nikon cameras I've owned. I wonder if the reason can be that they lacked the technology to reduce the thickness of the body. The newer D750 has a much slimmer body, which makes it easier to handle.
I have a D600 and I agree, it is awful to hold. You might be right but surely they could have made it better to hold.
p.5 #18 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
trenchmonkey wrote:
DLSR's will still be around as long as MF legacy glass mounts.
The # of stunning AF lenses available today is mind boggling.
F' IBIS. Oh, vinyl outsold CD's this year...just sayin'
I suspect that is because people are moving over to streaming. I have huge numbers of CDs and it’s such a pain. Nikon still make film cameras ... Yes the DSLR is not dead but it will surely become niche.
p.5 #19 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
T-O Shooter wrote:
Well if they're money challenged i.e. poor, and buying used gear, why are they blocking up camera stores, hogging sale associates' time, and dirtying up the floors?
I guess you're unaware that most of the major Toronto-area stores do a thriving business in used gear
p.5 #20 · Hogan's article - The DSLR cash cow is alive for how long?
LeifG wrote:
I have a D600 and I agree, it is awful to hold. You might be right but surely they could have made it better to hold.
I had one and agree. The D600 was thicker than the D7000 and it caused major handling issues, one reason I quickly sold mine. A deeper grip and thinner body was one of the bigger upgrades of both the D750 and D7100 and later D7x00 bodies.
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