Haven't seen this here. If it is please just pull this one
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I've heard bits and pieces here and there on the AF, but I wish fellows that own one would actually point this stuff out. It's no slight on you to admit it. I'd have been very disappointed if I had bought a Z6 and ended up with the AF as displayed by Jared.
As he said, you can get great images (as you can with any current body) but it's the misses that's the issue.
I watched this yesterday and appreciated the candor provided. The Z system is on my radar, but this drove home a rule I typically follow: "Don't buy the first generation of anything". This started with cars that came with new engines and transmissions. The general feeling is that the first few years will reveal issues that will need to be corrected (Could be minor fixes or major design flaws).
My view is that the Z system being the first mirrorless system from Nikon, they are clearly behind their competitors and there are issues the have been noted. However I see that Nikon has corrected some issues and feel they are starting to close some of the gaps (although slowly). Some of this may be attributed to the fact that the new camera systems require more software driven functions. I'm interested in seeing what the next generation of the Z system will bring and am hopeful that they will make some significant advances.
Years back when Jared first started doing podcasts I had mixed feelings about him. I've come to respect his views and he's pretty accurate about the Z's. He'll call out any brand.
Gary Irwin wrote:
Well Jared can speak for himself. For me and, it seems, a growing number of pro photographers, these "issues" don't seem to matter. Your point?
That they do matter. You had a ton of issues going back to when I last read any of your posts. That didn't change because of one FW update.
As a couple of fellows said in this thread, they appreciate Jared's candor and reporting it like he sees it. I'd expect the same from fellow members on whichever forum I may be on.
For me, I'll see what version II or III brings. I was thinking I might try a used Z6 if I could get one cheap enough to flip if I didn't like it. Jared just saved me wasting my time, as there's no way I would live with his findings. No way.
And FYI, if there were 5 pro photographers last month and 6 two weeks ago and 7 today (or whatever numbers you might wish to assign to it) that is a "growing number" Very vague at best.
A lot likely true when doing apple to apple comparisons. But I would think this is more a software than hardware issue which should allow for continued improvement. Nikon should be investing more into their firmware development. If they can make things magical with their D700-D850 cameras why can’t they do the same here.
People are still getting great results. The situations where you would miss the shot will be limited to specific shooting conditions which for many could be irrelevant.
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T-O Shooter wrote:
Haven't seen this here. If it is please just pull this one
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I've heard bits and pieces here and there on the AF, but I wish fellows that own one would actually point this stuff out. It's no slight on you to admit it. I'd have been very disappointed if I had bought a Z6 and ended up with the AF as displayed by Jared.
As he said, you can get great images (as you can with any current body) but it's the misses that's the issue.
I was well aware of the AF limitations when I bought my Z7 and it doesn't bother me at all (almost exactly what I expected). If you want a Nikon with top level AF then the Z's aren't the cameras to buy. Not everybody needs top level AF, however, and the Z's have other compelling features that make them a good choice for a lot of people, me included.
Oh, and your summary totally focussed on only AF. Did you notice and note that Jared says that he like the files better from the Z cameras than any other camera? Did you note that Jared says he like the viewfinder and the LCD way better with the Z cameras than the Sony cameras and that he thinks the Sony viewfinder and LCD in his word, "sucks." It is no slight on you to admit these limitations of other cameras and advantages of the Nikon Z cameras, but instead you post on the Nikon forum and only talk about the limitations of the Nikon and don't mention the advantages of the Nikon cameras or the weaknesses of other systems.
Seriously !!! Enough of the click bait. We are within a thread where the system of both lenses S and F mount with the Z6 and Z7 are performing superbly. If you are after BIF AF then move to a system that suits.
Most photographers use multiple platforms and use what suits them best for their style of shoots.
Guys move on from this rubbish as I thought we had grown past this now....
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Enough of these Z bashing threads. Most of us already know the positives and certain limitations (like any other system) of the Z series cameras/
Steve Spencer wrote:
Oh, and your summary totally focussed on only AF. Did you notice and note that Jared says that he like the files better from the Z cameras than any other camera? Did you note that Jared says he like the viewfinder and the LCD way better with the Z cameras than the Sony cameras and that he thinks the Sony viewfinder and LCD in his word, "sucks." It is no slight on you to admit these limitations of other cameras and advantages of the Nikon Z cameras, but instead you post on the Nikon forum and only talk about the limitations of the Nikon and don't mention the advantages of the Nikon cameras or the weaknesses of other systems.
It is just human nature not to bring up issues you can work around with new equipment. All the issues and problems seem to be talked about when the next model appears. A good way to get info is to ask current users what improvements they would like to see. In general I find FM members to be a positive bunch more interested in making stuff work than complain about it.
fotografur wrote:
Years back when Jared first started doing podcasts I had mixed feelings about him. I've come to respect his views and he's pretty accurate about the Z's. He'll call out any brand.
His style/delivery isn't for everyone, but I think his assessment is right on the money.
Nikon what they are doing in terms of sensors, processing, UI design, etc, but they need to step up (fast) with regards to AF algos on mirrorless and deliver a 2nd generation mirrorless platform. The same goes for Canon.
T-O Shooter wrote:
That they do matter. You had a ton of issues going back to when I last read any of your posts. That didn't change because of one FW update.
As a couple of fellows said in this thread, they appreciate Jared's candor and reporting it like he sees it. I'd expect the same from fellow members on whichever forum I may be on.
For me, I'll see what version II or III brings. I was thinking I might try a used Z6 if I could get one cheap enough to flip if I didn't like it. Jared just saved me wasting my time, as there's no way I would live with his findings. No way.
And FYI, if there were 5 pro photographers last month and 6 two weeks ago and 7 today (or whatever numbers you might wish to assign to it) that is a "growing number" Very vague at best. ...Show more →
If I'm being candid here is what I think. You only post negative reviews, comments, observations about Nikon Z which means you're just bashing Nikon Z to feel better about Nikon F mount. If you truly cared about candor and reporting it like you see it then you would talk about the good and the bad and you would reference the overwhelmingly positive user reviews and you would reference the many F mount users that talk about their DSLRs collecting dust while they use Nikon Z.
I predict that you'll continue to ignore the good about Nikon Z and as Nikon knocks down each of the valid criticisms you'll just shift your strategy to subjective criticisms like no optical viewfinder, differences in colors or rendering, "user experience" you can't explain, feels like a computer, etc. Somewhere along the way you'll quietly jump in to Nikon Z and to avoid being too obvious you'll offer a little bit of praise to buy enough credibility to continue complaining and telling everyone how you still prefer DSLRs and miss the good ole days. You'll probably sell at least one Nikon Z camera to help bolster your ongoing criticism. Deep down you'll realize how wrong you were all along but by then it's too late and you will have to go down with the ship .
codename wrote:
I watched this yesterday and appreciated the candor provided. The Z system is on my radar, but this drove home a rule I typically follow: "Don't buy the first generation of anything". This started with cars that came with new engines and transmissions. The general feeling is that the first few years will reveal issues that will need to be corrected (Could be minor fixes or major design flaws).
My view is that the Z system being the first mirrorless system from Nikon, they are clearly behind their competitors and there are issues the have been noted. However I see that Nikon has corrected some issues and feel they are starting to close some of the gaps (although slowly). Some of this may be attributed to the fact that the new camera systems require more software driven functions. I'm interested in seeing what the next generation of the Z system will bring and am hopeful that they will make some significant advances....Show more →
I was in the third generation of pro Sony mirrorless cameras, A7RIII before I switched to Nikon Z with Z6 and native Z primes. I have been a lot happier! I won't need to buy any new Z camera in next 5 years. That may tell you something about the FIRST generation of Nikon mirrorless full frame. It's not the first generation of mirrorless world like Sony started with their A7/7R mark I. The only thing Nikon need to improve is AF-C/ eye AF and I believe they will catch up Sony A7R4 in second gen of Z6/7, or in Z9 or whatever.
T-O Shooter wrote:
That they do matter. You had a ton of issues going back to when I last read any of your posts. That didn't change because of one FW update.
As a couple of fellows said in this thread, they appreciate Jared's candor and reporting it like he sees it. I'd expect the same from fellow members on whichever forum I may be on.
For me, I'll see what version II or III brings. I was thinking I might try a used Z6 if I could get one cheap enough to flip if I didn't like it. Jared just saved me wasting my time, as there's no way I would live with his findings. No way.
And FYI, if there were 5 pro photographers last month and 6 two weeks ago and 7 today (or whatever numbers you might wish to assign to it) that is a "growing number" Very vague at best. ...Show more →
I never said my Z7 was perfect...C-AF performance has been my only real complaint. Yet strangely I still own it. Stranger still, I'm shooting with my Z7 almost exclusively while my D850 is collecting dust on the shelf. My point is that for a good number of us the debate of "whether or not" a Z is over, one way or the other. The "issues" are well known. My suggestion is to either move on or sit quietly on the sidelines and study how the rest of us are using these new cameras to get the most out of them. If you finally decide -- one way or the other -- feel free to drop us a note.
Do you have a problem with Jared's review? If so, explain where he's wrong.
You have a very peculiar attitude. When Nikon makes a Z that suits me, I'll likely buy one. To date they have not. If I remember this thread, I'll make you the first to know. You set up your spiel as if the ZII and ZIII will still have issues. I would sincerely hope by then that they don't.
I have absolutely no problem with ML being better than DSLRs. I'm very happy with my D4s, D850, D500 and a D700 and D50 I've kept around. I doubt that I will ever feel the need to replace this gear with ML, as this gear fits all my needs.
I would not have a problem supplementing my current gear with an ML. I was going to sell my D500 that I wasn't using, and said "hey, why not buy a Z6" But then I discovered too many boxes not checked that I would have wanted checked.
I see someone above referencing this thread to being DPR like. I've been here two years, and seldom post. None of what you say I've been posting. But the toxicity and a word I hate (tribalism) is just as much here as DPR, if not more so. Frankly, I'm disappointed in it, as this was touted as a better place than DPR.
Charles and SJMS think it's their forum to control what is said and what not is said. They are just two examples that seem to pop up more often in the few threads I've posted in - there's more like them. I'm sure FM would like some new members, the more the better, but look through this thread and see the agressive behaviour from long time members. Not very endearing.
FWIW, there's no ship to go down with. I can switch to mirrorless or medium format whenever I like with no downside. I can keep shooting DSLRs if I want. I don't think the Canadian government will be adding a carbon tax to DSLRs.
Gary Irwin wrote:
I never said my Z7 was perfect...C-AF performance has been my only real complaint. Yet strangely I still own it. Stranger still, I'm shooting with my Z7 almost exclusively while my D850 is collecting dust on the shelf. My point is that for a good number of us the debate of "whether or not" a Z is over, one way or the other. The "issues" are well known. My suggestion is to either move on or sit quietly on the sidelines and study how the rest of us are using these new cameras to get the most out of them. If you finally decide -- one way or the other -- feel free to drop us a note. ...Show more →
What gives you the right to say this?
"My suggestion is to either move on or sit quietly on the sidelines"
I'm used to this type of bullying and it just bounces off me. But how do you think this looks to someone looking to buy a Z, someone that doesn't currently have a camera, someone with questions, someone not used to the aggressiveness in camera forums??
This is a gear forum the same as DPR, Nikonian and such. People talk about gear. People beat topics to death. Isn't that what keeps Fred and Amazon's DPR in business? People re-hashing the same old stuff. I'm not sure why a few of you think it's only to be about what you want to talk about.
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