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p.10 #1 · Light Lens Lab (LLL) replica lenses discussion & image thread


Quick illustration of native 0.7m MFD of the 35 8E versus close focus possible with a macro adapter.





35 8E – 0.7m MFD

  LEICA SL2-S    Summicron-M 1:2/35 lens    35mm    f/2.0    1/800s    100 ISO    -0.3 EV  







35 8E – macro adapter

  LEICA SL2-S    Summicron-M 1:2/35 lens    35mm    f/2.0    1/500s    100 ISO    -0.3 EV  




Jan 13, 2023 at 12:50 PM
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p.10 #2 · Light Lens Lab (LLL) replica lenses discussion & image thread


Got my second LLL 35/2 E8 copy (VL7) and was able to confirm that the field curvature is wavy and extreme with this lens.

Here is representation of the FC at 1.5m and 3m wide open:





1.5m @f/2







3m @f/2




Jan 13, 2023 at 05:01 PM
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p.10 #3 · Light Lens Lab (LLL) replica lenses discussion & image thread


Mine seems to be centered, at least as far as I can tell at 24mp: f/4, focus at center, move corners to the same central subject and compare.

FC looks like mine, though it looks like the find edges filter isn't as narrow for me, perhaps due to using dirt versus grass, IDK

f/2 / 2.8 / 4







Jan 13, 2023 at 05:12 PM
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p.10 #4 · Light Lens Lab (LLL) replica lenses discussion & image thread


Long time listener, first time caller.

I have both the 8-Element and the 'Elcan' replicas and am extremely pleased with both. The build quality is excellent with my only quibble being that the aperture doesn't feel quite as smooth or precise as I would like.

These thoughts only pertain to use on film..as that's how I shoot:

The 8-Element is so wonderfully tiny. At full aperture, the draw is low contrast with gobs of coma and SA. It's an 'artistic' look, but useful. Stopped down to 2.8 things start coming together in a more predictable/dependable manner. Beyond that, images are gorgeous with elegant gradation.

Mona by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 35mm f/2 8-Element, Kodak T-Max 400, Xtol 1:1 (shot at f/2)

Jenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 35mm f/2 8-Element, Kodak T-Max 400, Xtol 1:1 (shot at f/2)

Jenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 35mm f/2 8-Element, Kodak T-Max 400, Xtol 1:1 (shot at f/2.8)

Dad by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Zeiss Ikon ZM, Light Lens Lab 35mm f/2 8-Element, Kodak T-Max 400, Xtol 1:1 (shot at f/2)

Dad by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Zeiss Ikon ZM, Light Lens Lab 35mm f/2 8-Element, Kodak T-Max 400, Xtol 1:1 (shot at f/2)

Jordan at Finnigan Hill Vineyard by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 35mm f/2 8-Element, Kodak T-Max 400, Xtol 1:1 (shot at f/2.8)

Jenny at Resplendor Vineyard by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 35mm f/2 8-Element, Kodak T-Max 400, Xtol 1:1 (shot at f/2.8)

I've only had the 'Elcan' for a brief period of time...and the weather hasn't been very nice, so I have few photos to share. Because it's a 50mm f/2 M-mount lens, I can understand the desire to compare to a Summicron, but I think a fairer comparison is to a modern Tessar/Elmar type lens (low element count, compact). I don't have a modern Leica Elmar (only a 50's Red Scale f/3.5 which is definitely out-performed by the 'Elcan' at 3.5), but I do have the Nikkor 45mm f/2.8 P and it compares very favorably to the 'Elcan.' At full aperture, it is reasonably sharp in the middle, but definitely falls apart away from center...in a pleasing way. At f/2.8 it is fairly predictable and much more usable. As the MTF chart show, it never gets completely sharp in the far corners...but, I rarely photograph landscapes, so this doesn't really bother me.

Jenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 50mm f/2 'Elcan,' Eastman-5222, Xtol 1:1 (shot at f/2.8)

Selfie by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 50mm f/2 'Elcan,' Eastman-5222, Xtol 1:1 (shot at f/2)

Barrel of Pinot noir by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 50mm f/2 'Elcan,' Kodak T-Max 400, Xtol 1:1 (shot at f/2)

Portland by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 50mm f/2 'Elcan,' Eastman-5222, Xtol 1:1 (shot at f/8)





Jan 14, 2023 at 03:43 PM
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p.10 #5 · Light Lens Lab (LLL) replica lenses discussion & image thread


_jim_ wrote:
Long time listener, first time caller.

I have both the 8-Element and the 'Elcan' replicas and am extremely pleased with both. The build quality is excellent with my only quibble being that the aperture doesn't feel quite as smooth or precise as I would like.

These thoughts only pertain to use on film..as that's how I shoot:

The 8-Element is so wonderfully tiny. At full aperture, the draw is low contrast with gobs of coma and SA. It's an 'artistic' look, but useful. Stopped down to 2.8 things start coming together in a more predictable/dependable manner. Beyond that, images are gorgeous
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These are great, thanks for sharing. Nice to see how they render on film. The second shot of your dad close up is a standout, both for composition and for showing off the 8E character.



Jan 14, 2023 at 04:16 PM
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p.10 #6 · Light Lens Lab (LLL) replica lenses discussion & image thread


_jim_ wrote:
Long time listener, first time caller.

I have both the 8-Element and the 'Elcan' replicas and am extremely pleased with both. The build quality is excellent with my only quibble being that the aperture doesn't feel quite as smooth or precise as I would like.

These thoughts only pertain to use on film..as that's how I shoot:

The 8-Element is so wonderfully tiny. At full aperture, the draw is low contrast with gobs of coma and SA. It's an 'artistic' look, but useful. Stopped down to 2.8 things start coming together in a more predictable/dependable manner. Beyond that, images are gorgeous
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Fantastic! And such a coincidence as I just developed a roll of Acros that I shot in my M5 w the 8E lens! Results to be posted momentarily…



Jan 14, 2023 at 04:39 PM
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p.10 #7 · Light Lens Lab (LLL) replica lenses discussion & image thread


Leica M5, LLL 8 Elements replica, Fuji Acros II

All interior shots @ f2. Other pics f4-5.6. Maybe an f8.


























Jan 14, 2023 at 08:09 PM
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p.10 #8 · Light Lens Lab (LLL) replica lenses discussion & image thread


These are quite lovely! I've always struggled with Acros, but your images really work so well with it.


Jan 15, 2023 at 12:05 PM
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_jim_ wrote:
These are quite lovely! I've always struggled with Acros, but your images really work so well with it.


Thanks! I don’t do anything special - box speed, no filter, home dev w Cinestill DF96 monobath.

I just love that we happened to both be using the same gear!



Jan 15, 2023 at 01:25 PM
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p.10 #10 · Light Lens Lab (LLL) replica lenses discussion & image thread


A few boring shots inside the house to compare the Black Pro-Mist 1/4 and CineBloom 5% diffusions filters on the LLL 8-Element at f/2.





Side-by-side in color







No filter

  LEICA SL2-S    Summicron-M 1:2/35 lens    35mm    f/2.0    1/40s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  







CineBloom 5%

  LEICA SL2-S    Summicron-M 1:2/35 lens    35mm    f/2.0    1/40s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  







Black Pro-Mist 1/4

  LEICA SL2-S    Summicron-M 1:2/35 lens    35mm    f/2.0    1/40s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  







Stacked (CineBloom first / BPM on the outside)

  LEICA SL2-S    Summicron-M 1:2/35 lens    35mm    f/2.0    1/40s    100 ISO    +1.0 EV  







Side-by-side in b&w







No filter

  LEICA SL2-S    Summicron-M 1:2/35 lens    35mm    f/2.0    1/40s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  







CineBloom 5%

  LEICA SL2-S    Summicron-M 1:2/35 lens    35mm    f/2.0    1/40s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  







Black Pro-Mist 1/4

  LEICA SL2-S    Summicron-M 1:2/35 lens    35mm    f/2.0    1/40s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  







Stacked (CineBloom first / BPM on the outside)

  LEICA SL2-S    Summicron-M 1:2/35 lens    35mm    f/2.0    1/40s    100 ISO    +1.0 EV  







Crop




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p.10 #11 · Light Lens Lab (LLL) replica lenses discussion & image thread


I had the LLL Elcan 50/2 for about a year and I really like it. I took it out for a morning walk around a local lake (with M9 Monochrom).





© ocean2059 2023





© ocean2059 2023





© ocean2059 2023




Jan 15, 2023 at 04:49 PM
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p.10 #12 · Light Lens Lab (LLL) replica lenses discussion & image thread


Got a quick bit of sunset light and clouds this evening. Compositions aren't great as I had set the camera flat on the top of my fence in order to try out multi-shot mode – still not steady enough, needs a tripod – these are the regular res versions.





LLL 8-Element -|- f/8 -|- vignette added

  LEICA SL2-S    Summicron-M 1:2/35 lens    35mm    f/8.0    1/30s    125 ISO    -0.3 EV  







LLL 8-Element -|- f/8 -|- vignette added

  LEICA SL2-S    Summicron-M 1:2/35 lens    35mm    f/6.8    1/30s    125 ISO    -2.3 EV  




Jan 17, 2023 at 10:50 PM
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p.10 #13 · Light Lens Lab (LLL) replica lenses discussion & image thread


Fred Miranda wrote:
Samples from the 50/2 Elcan.

I'm really enjoying this lens. It's sharp where it matters and the classic rendering is gorgeous. I need to do some side by sides with the 50/2 APO but the Elcan outputs punchy colors out of the camera.

The focusing tab is very smooth on my copy and the I like the long throw at 180 degrees. The lens is low in optical vignetting and renders "round" specular highlights even towards the edge of the frame. Better than any other 50mm lens I have tested. Perhaps the super short barrel helps with vignetting quite a bit.

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Very compelling, Fred. Which 50/2 APO?

Maybe it has been mentioned and I forgot or missed it, but what is the Elcan's MFD, how many aperture blades and how do they affect bokeh ball shape when stopped down?



Jan 17, 2023 at 11:27 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
Very compelling, Fred. Which 50/2 APO?

Maybe it has been mentioned and I forgot or missed it, but what is the Elcan's MFD, how many aperture blades and how do they affect bokeh ball shape when stopped down?


So far, I have only stopped this lens down to test FC and infinity performance. I will post some stopped down samples soon.

The LLL 50/2 Elcan is equipped with 10 straight aperture blades and focuses down to 0.7m. It looks like a keeper to me. Popflash has it on sale now:
https://www.popflash.com/light-lens-lab/light-lens-lab-50mm-f/2-elcan-black-paint-ltm/m-mount-lens-new/



Jan 18, 2023 at 11:35 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
So far, I have only stopped this lens down to test FC and infinity performance. I will post some stopped down samples soon.

The LLL 50/2 Elcan is equipped with 10 straight aperture blades and focuses down to 0.7m. It looks like a keeper to me. Popflash has it on sale now:
https://www.popflash.com/light-lens-lab/light-lens-lab-50mm-f/2-elcan-black-paint-ltm/m-mount-lens-new/


Hi Fred,

It seems that Popflash no longer has the lens or has moved the item.

Rich




Jan 18, 2023 at 11:46 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
So far, I have only stopped this lens down to test FC and infinity performance. I will post some stopped down samples soon.

The LLL 50/2 Elcan is equipped with 10 straight aperture blades and focuses down to 0.7m. It looks like a keeper to me. Popflash has it on sale now:
https://www.popflash.com/light-lens-lab/light-lens-lab-50mm-f/2-elcan-black-paint-ltm/m-mount-lens-new/


Thanks Fred, would like to see how specular highlight shapes look at f/2.8 and f/4, just to get an idea. Thanks also for the heads up about Popflash. Unfortunately the Elcan black paint is out of stock.

I noticed they also have the 35 Cron replica on sale and the collapsible versions are really attractively priced. The chrome LTM version is 'only' $788!


naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Fred,

It seems that Popflash no longer has the lens or has moved the item.

Rich


Rich you just have to expand the "Lenses" tab on the left menu bar and select Light Lens Lab.

View previous versions



Jan 18, 2023 at 11:49 AM
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naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Fred,

It seems that Popflash no longer has the lens or has moved the item.

Rich


Somehow the 'search' link was not working correctly. I fixed the link showing the LTM version. I'm testing the M-mount version.



Jan 18, 2023 at 11:51 AM
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The 'Elcan,' like the 8-Element (or something like the Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 Nokton) has a very characterful draw at full aperture. It's the kind of rendering that you either love or hate (or both depending on how you feel that day).

Stopped down one stop, and things become very different. Here are a few examples comparing f/2 to f/2.8 (some of which I have already shared above, but now with companion photos for comparison sake).

Jenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 50mm f/2 Elcan, Fompan 400, Xtol 1:1 at f/2

Jenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 50mm f/2 Elcan, Fompan 400, Xtol 1:1 at f/2.8 (apologies for the missed focus)

Jenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 35mm f/2 8-Element, Kodak T-Max 400, Xtol 1:1 at f/2.8

Jenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 35mm f/2 8-Element, Kodak T-Max 400, Xtol 1:1 at f/2

Mona by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 35mm f/2 8-Element, Kodak T-Max 400, Xtol 1:1 at f/2

Mona by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 35mm f/2 8-Element, Kodak T-Max 400, Xtol 1:1 at f/2.8






Jan 18, 2023 at 01:24 PM
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_jim_ wrote:
The 'Elcan,' like the 8-Element (or something like the Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 Nokton) has a very characterful draw at full aperture. It's the kind of rendering that you either love or hate (or both depending on how you feel that day).

Stopped down one stop, and things become very different. Here are a few examples comparing f/2 to f/2.8 (some of which I have already shared above, but now with companion photos for comparison sake).

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52632468250_5a94757439_b.jpgJenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5, Light Lens Lab 50mm f/2 Elcan, Fompan 400, Xtol 1:1 at f/2

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52635576173_b5815531fb_b.jpgJenny by Jim Fischer, on Flickr
Leica M5,
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Thanks for posting this comparison. I like the f/2.8 shots best.



Jan 18, 2023 at 01:56 PM
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Thanks Jim!
Yes, f/2.8 reduces outlining making the overall draw smoother. I like both looks.

I wonder how the 35/2 8E compares to the 35/1.4 'pre-asph' @f/2. Anyone did a comparison?



Jan 18, 2023 at 03:56 PM
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