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Archive 2019Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
p.4 #1Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
Okay F8
Normal than Light fall off 32. Vignette .69
Normal than Light fall off 32. Vignette .69
Oct 05, 2019 at 08:09 PM
p.4 #3Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
Here's an f/4, first photo no correction, second one with "Light fallof" at 120, "Vignetting" at 0, looks decent to me:
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Oct 05, 2019 at 08:10 PM
p.4 #4Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
If you want that last remaining than it maybe a dodge tool in PS. But that's not easy either
Oct 05, 2019 at 08:11 PM
p.4 #5Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
vdo1 wrote:
Here's an f/4, first photo no correction, second one with "Light fallof" at 120, looks decent to me:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48850233341_802195ec8c_o_d.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48850429197_c242c95539_o_d.jpg
It does. Really no hard rule here because I'm in bright sun your in clouds which is a softer light.Good news is with a touch of work we can control it. Great learning lesson here
Here's an f/4, first photo no correction, second one with "Light fallof" at 120, looks decent to me:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48850233341_802195ec8c_o_d.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48850429197_c242c95539_o_d.jpg
It does. Really no hard rule here because I'm in bright sun your in clouds which is a softer light.Good news is with a touch of work we can control it. Great learning lesson here
Oct 05, 2019 at 08:12 PM
p.4 #6Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
That dust bunny is driving me INSANE. 
Oct 05, 2019 at 08:13 PM
p.4 #7Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
Why not a 35mm f/1.8-f/2.0 with sharp edges/corners from wide open?
Oct 06, 2019 at 01:52 AM
p.4 #8Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
Guy, your work is invaluable!
Thanks.
Thanks.
Oct 06, 2019 at 02:13 AM
p.4 #9Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
Maximilian wrote:
Why not a 35mm f/1.8-f/2.0 with sharp edges/corners from wide open?
What is sharp in your eyes (i.e. what MTF at what lp/mm)?
Why not a 35mm f/1.8-f/2.0 with sharp edges/corners from wide open?
What is sharp in your eyes (i.e. what MTF at what lp/mm)?
Oct 06, 2019 at 02:17 AM
p.4 #10Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
I have shading setting set to on with my A7rIII and in lightroom I basically get no signs of any serious vignetting with my 35. I'm on the latest version which as yet has no profile for this lens. If I have shading turned off in the camera then +31 with the vignetting slider corrects the image
Oct 06, 2019 at 03:16 AM
p.4 #11Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
Holger wrote:
What is sharp in your eyes (i.e. what MTF at what lp/mm)?
Sharp would be for example without the devastating coma of the Sony FE 1,8/35mm wide open.
In MTF numbers, for frame height 15mm to 21.6mm:
10 lp/mm: not under 85%
20 lp/mm: not under 65%
40 lp/mm: not under 40%
But MTF alone is not enough, actual aberration correction is relevant too.
Maximilian wrote
Why not a 35mm f/1.8-f/2.0 with sharp edges/corners from wide open?Sharp would be for example without the devastating coma of the Sony FE 1,8/35mm wide open.
In MTF numbers, for frame height 15mm to 21.6mm:
10 lp/mm: not under 85%
20 lp/mm: not under 65%
40 lp/mm: not under 40%
But MTF alone is not enough, actual aberration correction is relevant too.
Oct 06, 2019 at 04:43 AM
p.4 #12Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
Maximilian wrote:
What is sharp in your eyes (i.e. what MTF at what lp/mm)?Sharp would be for example without the devastating coma of the Sony FE 1,8/35mm wide open.
In MTF numbers, for frame height 15mm to 21.6mm:
10 lp/mm: not under 85%
20 lp/mm: not under 65%
40 lp/mm: not under 40%
But MTF alone is not enough, actual aberration correction is relevant too.
According to lensrentals, only minimally stopping down achieves that:
Like the 24mm, the Sony 35mm f/1.8 is exceptionally good. There’s no question that Sony has been cranking out one excellent lens after another lately, and this is coming from someone who ravaged the first, and many of the second, generation Sony FE lenses."
There are hardly any other 35/1.8 or 35/2 lenses able to compete.
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/08/some-new-wide-angle-lens-mtf-tests-sony-24mm-f1-4-gm-sony-35mm-f1-8-tamron-35mm-f1-4-sp/
Holger wrote
Maximilian wrote
Why not a 35mm f/1.8-f/2.0 with sharp edges/corners from wide open?In MTF numbers, for frame height 15mm to 21.6mm:
10 lp/mm: not under 85%
20 lp/mm: not under 65%
40 lp/mm: not under 40%
But MTF alone is not enough, actual aberration correction is relevant too.
According to lensrentals, only minimally stopping down achieves that:
Like the 24mm, the Sony 35mm f/1.8 is exceptionally good. There’s no question that Sony has been cranking out one excellent lens after another lately, and this is coming from someone who ravaged the first, and many of the second, generation Sony FE lenses."
There are hardly any other 35/1.8 or 35/2 lenses able to compete.
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/08/some-new-wide-angle-lens-mtf-tests-sony-24mm-f1-4-gm-sony-35mm-f1-8-tamron-35mm-f1-4-sp/
Oct 06, 2019 at 04:52 AM
p.4 #13Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
Viramati wrote:
I have shading setting set to on with my A7rIII and in lightroom I basically get no signs of any serious vignetting with my 35. I'm on the latest version which as yet has no profile for this lens. If I have shading turned off in the camera then +31 with the vignetting slider corrects the image
Certainly worth trying . But that would mean those settings are affecting the raw files. I thought it was in camera jpegs that those settings are applying .
I have shading setting set to on with my A7rIII and in lightroom I basically get no signs of any serious vignetting with my 35. I'm on the latest version which as yet has no profile for this lens. If I have shading turned off in the camera then +31 with the vignetting slider corrects the image
Certainly worth trying . But that would mean those settings are affecting the raw files. I thought it was in camera jpegs that those settings are applying .
Oct 06, 2019 at 05:29 AM
p.4 #14Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
GMPhotography wrote:
Certainly worth trying . But that would mean those settings are affecting the raw files. I thought it was in camera jpegs that those settings are applying .
The shading settings on the A7rIII also correct the RAW files for vignetting. I know some people aren't keen on this but personally I have no problem
Viramati wrote
I have shading setting set to on with my A7rIII and in lightroom I basically get no signs of any serious vignetting with my 35. I'm on the latest version which as yet has no profile for this lens. If I have shading turned off in the camera then +31 with the vignetting slider corrects the imageThe shading settings on the A7rIII also correct the RAW files for vignetting. I know some people aren't keen on this but personally I have no problem
Oct 06, 2019 at 05:55 AM
p.4 #15Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
So the IV must be as well. Frankly it’s something I never paid much attention too. I usually just turn everything off. This is worth a test than
Oct 06, 2019 at 06:08 AM
p.4 #16Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
Fred Miranda wrote:
Thanks for the test Guy!
The FE 35/1.8 is capable of great resolution and contrast. Very punchy lens.
I think that rendering at close distance is pleasant and bokeh balls are very clean. There are better options for rendering at mid-distance but we can't have it all. Vignetting and CA are also negatives imo.
I think it complements the FE 85/1.8 very nicely for a light and compact 35/85 combo with fast AF, without breaking the bank.
My take is quite similar to Fred's here. I know it is a tough test, but I find the bokeh here pretty unpleasant and quite a bit like the classic 50 f/1.4 Planars (e.g., Zeiss C/Y 50 f/1.4). Some like this close up, but it has never been my cup of tea. The bokeh on that royal blue "flower" and on the red "flower" is pretty brutal to my eye and even the building in the background on the wagon wheel is pretty tough. So for my tastes it goes beyond problems with mid-distance bokeh. That plus the purple fringing that is still there are f/4 makes this a lens I am not really interested in at all. Sure it is sharp, but I want more that just sharpness these days and I think Sony undersigned the lens without enough done to control for CA. So, for me, it is a definite not interested at this point and I really wanted to like this lens. I can understand, however, how some who care more about sharpness and fast AF and less about CA and who have different tastes in bokeh could like it.
Thanks for the test Guy!
The FE 35/1.8 is capable of great resolution and contrast. Very punchy lens.
I think that rendering at close distance is pleasant and bokeh balls are very clean. There are better options for rendering at mid-distance but we can't have it all. Vignetting and CA are also negatives imo.
I think it complements the FE 85/1.8 very nicely for a light and compact 35/85 combo with fast AF, without breaking the bank.
My take is quite similar to Fred's here. I know it is a tough test, but I find the bokeh here pretty unpleasant and quite a bit like the classic 50 f/1.4 Planars (e.g., Zeiss C/Y 50 f/1.4). Some like this close up, but it has never been my cup of tea. The bokeh on that royal blue "flower" and on the red "flower" is pretty brutal to my eye and even the building in the background on the wagon wheel is pretty tough. So for my tastes it goes beyond problems with mid-distance bokeh. That plus the purple fringing that is still there are f/4 makes this a lens I am not really interested in at all. Sure it is sharp, but I want more that just sharpness these days and I think Sony undersigned the lens without enough done to control for CA. So, for me, it is a definite not interested at this point and I really wanted to like this lens. I can understand, however, how some who care more about sharpness and fast AF and less about CA and who have different tastes in bokeh could like it.
Oct 06, 2019 at 06:16 AM
p.4 #17Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
Viramati wrote:
Certainly worth trying . But that would mean those settings are affecting the raw files. I thought it was in camera jpegs that those settings are applying .The shading settings on the A7rIII also correct the RAW files for vignetting. I know some people aren't keen on this but personally I have no problem
I turn it off not just because “purist”, but I also found that, for me, many photos work better with some amount of vignetting left in. So instead of letting the camera correct it first, then having to reverse the action in Capture 1 (which most likely doesn’t use the exact same algorithms as the camera), I just start with the uncorrected version, and apply correction only when I decide it would benefit the look of the photo.
GMPhotography wrote
Viramati wrote
I have shading setting set to on with my A7rIII and in lightroom I basically get no signs of any serious vignetting with my 35. I'm on the latest version which as yet has no profile for this lens. If I have shading turned off in the camera then +31 with the vignetting slider corrects the imageI turn it off not just because “purist”, but I also found that, for me, many photos work better with some amount of vignetting left in. So instead of letting the camera correct it first, then having to reverse the action in Capture 1 (which most likely doesn’t use the exact same algorithms as the camera), I just start with the uncorrected version, and apply correction only when I decide it would benefit the look of the photo.
Oct 06, 2019 at 06:26 AM
p.4 #18Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
Holger wrote:
What is sharp in your eyes (i.e. what MTF at what lp/mm)?Sharp would be for example without the devastating coma of the Sony FE 1,8/35mm wide open.
In MTF numbers, for frame height 15mm to 21.6mm:
10 lp/mm: not under 85%
20 lp/mm: not under 65%
40 lp/mm: not under 40%
But MTF alone is not enough, actual aberration correction is relevant too.According to lensrentals, only minimally stopping down achieves that:
Like the 24mm, the Sony 35mm f/1.8 is exceptionally good. There’s no question that Sony has been cranking out one excellent lens after another lately, and this is coming from someone who ravaged the first, and many of the second, generation Sony FE lenses."
There are hardly any other 35/1.8 or 35/2 lenses able to compete.
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/08/some-new-wide-angle-lens-mtf-tests-sony-24mm-f1-4-gm-sony-35mm-f1-8-tamron-35mm-f1-4-sp/
I dare to disagree. The point is exactly that you need to stop down the Sony FE 1,8/35mm in order to achieve very good quality at the frame edges and corners. Thus, in my view, this lens is not at all "exceptionally good" at most certainly not "like the 24mm" GM, which I deem a small masterpiece. Have a look at its coma at f/1.8, it's embarassing. Sony have been indeed delivering many excellent lenses in the last couple of years, and especially in the streak of successful primes the 1,8/35mm is somewhat subpar. Yes, it's super sharp in the centre and partway in the midframe wide open and it gets sharp edges and then corners as soon as it is stopped down. What it lacks is uniform sharpness over the frame wide open.
The closest thing to that performance is the Batis 2/40mm, but with major downsides, for me.
Maximilian wrote
Holger wrote
Maximilian wrote
Why not a 35mm f/1.8-f/2.0 with sharp edges/corners from wide open?In MTF numbers, for frame height 15mm to 21.6mm:
10 lp/mm: not under 85%
20 lp/mm: not under 65%
40 lp/mm: not under 40%
But MTF alone is not enough, actual aberration correction is relevant too.
Like the 24mm, the Sony 35mm f/1.8 is exceptionally good. There’s no question that Sony has been cranking out one excellent lens after another lately, and this is coming from someone who ravaged the first, and many of the second, generation Sony FE lenses."
There are hardly any other 35/1.8 or 35/2 lenses able to compete.
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/08/some-new-wide-angle-lens-mtf-tests-sony-24mm-f1-4-gm-sony-35mm-f1-8-tamron-35mm-f1-4-sp/
I dare to disagree. The point is exactly that you need to stop down the Sony FE 1,8/35mm in order to achieve very good quality at the frame edges and corners. Thus, in my view, this lens is not at all "exceptionally good" at most certainly not "like the 24mm" GM, which I deem a small masterpiece. Have a look at its coma at f/1.8, it's embarassing. Sony have been indeed delivering many excellent lenses in the last couple of years, and especially in the streak of successful primes the 1,8/35mm is somewhat subpar. Yes, it's super sharp in the centre and partway in the midframe wide open and it gets sharp edges and then corners as soon as it is stopped down. What it lacks is uniform sharpness over the frame wide open.
The closest thing to that performance is the Batis 2/40mm, but with major downsides, for me.
Oct 06, 2019 at 06:31 AM
p.4 #19Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
Steve Spencer wrote:
The FE 35/1.8 is capable of great resolution and contrast. Very punchy lens.
I think that rendering at close distance is pleasant and bokeh balls are very clean. There are better options for rendering at mid-distance but we can't have it all. Vignetting and CA are also negatives imo.
I think it complements the FE 85/1.8 very nicely for a light and compact 35/85 combo with fast AF, without breaking the bank.My take is quite similar to Fred's here. I know it is a tough test, but I find the bokeh here pretty unpleasant and quite a bit like the classic 50 f/1.4 Planars (e.g., Zeiss C/Y 50 f/1.4). Some like this close up, but it has never been my cup of tea. The bokeh on that royal blue "flower" and on the red "flower" is pretty brutal to my eye and even the building in the background on the wagon wheel is pretty tough. So for my tastes it goes beyond problems with mid-distance bokeh. That plus the purple...Show more →
No real argument from me. It’s a modern day lens design that gets you a sharp colorful image for the masses. It reminds me of the 55 1.8 . Most people like this. What it’s not is like a GM 85 but more like there FE 85. To me it has a place but for the looks we want Steve we tend to look more at our MF counterparts. But I will say a lot of FM members are above the just fast , sharp and colorful. That’s not meant to be a bad thing just different rendering styles we come to like. In truth what a lens like this really does is sell cameras.
Fred Miranda wrote
Thanks for the test Guy!The FE 35/1.8 is capable of great resolution and contrast. Very punchy lens.
I think that rendering at close distance is pleasant and bokeh balls are very clean. There are better options for rendering at mid-distance but we can't have it all. Vignetting and CA are also negatives imo.
I think it complements the FE 85/1.8 very nicely for a light and compact 35/85 combo with fast AF, without breaking the bank.
No real argument from me. It’s a modern day lens design that gets you a sharp colorful image for the masses. It reminds me of the 55 1.8 . Most people like this. What it’s not is like a GM 85 but more like there FE 85. To me it has a place but for the looks we want Steve we tend to look more at our MF counterparts. But I will say a lot of FM members are above the just fast , sharp and colorful. That’s not meant to be a bad thing just different rendering styles we come to like. In truth what a lens like this really does is sell cameras.
Oct 06, 2019 at 06:39 AM
p.4 #20Sony 35mm 1.8, CV 40 1.2, Batis 18mm, Batis 85mm Big Bronco
Maximilian wrote:
What is sharp in your eyes (i.e. what MTF at what lp/mm)?Sharp would be for example without the devastating coma of the Sony FE 1,8/35mm wide open.
In MTF numbers, for frame height 15mm to 21.6mm:
10 lp/mm: not under 85%
20 lp/mm: not under 65%
40 lp/mm: not under 40%
But MTF alone is not enough, actual aberration correction is relevant too.According to lensrentals, only minimally stopping down achieves that:
Like the 24mm, the Sony 35mm f/1.8 is exceptionally good. There’s no question that Sony has been cranking out one excellent lens after another lately, and this is coming from someone who ravaged the first, and many of the second, generation Sony FE lenses."
There are hardly any other 35/1.8 or 35/2 lenses able to compete.
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/08/some-new-wide-angle-lens-mtf-tests-sony-24mm-f1-4-gm-sony-35mm-f1-8-tamron-35mm-f1-4-sp/I dare to disagree. The point is exactly that you need to stop down the Sony FE 1,8/35mm in order to achieve very good quality at the frame edges and corners. Thus, in my view, this lens is not at all "exceptionally good" at most certainly not "like the 24mm" GM, which I deem a small masterpiece. Have a look at its coma at f/1.8, it's embarassing. Sony have been indeed delivering many excellent lenses in the last couple of years, and especially in the streak of successful primes the 1,8/35mm is somewhat subpar. Yes, it's super sharp in the...Show more →
We could and do say the same thing for the Loxia 35. Wide opens it’s embarrassing. We need to remember the money . We are paying nearly twice the price for the GM 24. So more corrections are causing that price increase. The 35 is a consumers lens , that’s the market. Sure it’s not perfect, not sure at 750 dollars it’s meant to be .
Holger wrote
Maximilian wrote
Holger wrote
Maximilian wrote
Why not a 35mm f/1.8-f/2.0 with sharp edges/corners from wide open?In MTF numbers, for frame height 15mm to 21.6mm:
10 lp/mm: not under 85%
20 lp/mm: not under 65%
40 lp/mm: not under 40%
But MTF alone is not enough, actual aberration correction is relevant too.
Like the 24mm, the Sony 35mm f/1.8 is exceptionally good. There’s no question that Sony has been cranking out one excellent lens after another lately, and this is coming from someone who ravaged the first, and many of the second, generation Sony FE lenses."
There are hardly any other 35/1.8 or 35/2 lenses able to compete.
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/08/some-new-wide-angle-lens-mtf-tests-sony-24mm-f1-4-gm-sony-35mm-f1-8-tamron-35mm-f1-4-sp/
We could and do say the same thing for the Loxia 35. Wide opens it’s embarrassing. We need to remember the money . We are paying nearly twice the price for the GM 24. So more corrections are causing that price increase. The 35 is a consumers lens , that’s the market. Sure it’s not perfect, not sure at 750 dollars it’s meant to be .
Oct 06, 2019 at 06:44 AM