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p.154 #1 · Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G Image Thread


davev wrote:
a crop sensor camera is about the same as having a 1.4 teleconverter on the lens, without
losing a stop of light.


If you look at the number of photoelectrons in the image (that's what really matters), both lose a stop of light.



Sep 30, 2020 at 11:21 AM
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p.154 #2 · Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G Image Thread




If you look at the number of photoelectrons in the image (that's what really matters), both lose a stop of light.



Is that also true when a person goes into crop mode on a full frame camera such as the a7IV? If not, why not?



Sep 30, 2020 at 11:37 AM
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Is that also true when a person goes into crop mode on a full frame camera such as the a7IV? If not, why not?


Yes.



Sep 30, 2020 at 12:00 PM
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p.154 #4 · Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G Image Thread




Yes.


Well, I'm lost.
I grabbed my a7RIII, with a 100-400 lens, pointed at my wall target, full frame, 1/100, f5.6, iso 3200.
I kicked it to crop mode, 1/100, f5.6, iso 3200.
I then mounted the lens to my a6400, 1/100, f5.6, iso 3200.

I'm not sure where I'm losing light unless the processor in the camera is changing something without changing the numbers on the settings.




Sep 30, 2020 at 12:52 PM
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p.154 #5 · Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G Image Thread




Well, I'm lost.
I grabbed my a7RIII, with a 100-400 lens, pointed at my wall target, full frame, 1/100, f5.6, iso 3200.
I kicked it to crop mode, 1/100, f5.6, iso 3200.
I then mounted the lens to my a6400, 1/100, f5.6, iso 3200.

I'm not sure where I'm losing light unless the processor in the camera is changing something without changing the numbers on the settings.


This is not the best thread for this topic. If you want to explore this further, there have been lots of threads on this subject, but be careful much of what has been said is misleading or erroneous. You may also want to start a new thread.

To respond to your post, you need to be careful to distinguish between the total light collected and the brightness of the light at any point on the sensor. Cropping the image reduces the total light collected in the image. It does not matter how you crop. The total amount of light collected in the image is related to the signal to noise ratio, the image information, and the quality of the image. Using a TC spreads the light that would be in the cropped image over the entire sensor. Consequently the brightness at each point on the sensor is lower, but there is more area, so the total amount of light collected is the same. The f/# of a lens tells you the amount of light PER UNIT AREA at the sensor. If you cut the area down, the amount of light collected is reduced. If you put a TC on the lens, the f/# is reduced by a stop, but the same image that would have been in the cropped area now covers twice as much area. That's why cropping the area of the image and adding a TC, both lose a stop of light collected in the image.

Hope that helps.

Dave



Sep 30, 2020 at 01:19 PM
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p.154 #6 · Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G Image Thread




Well, I'm lost.
I grabbed my a7RIII, with a 100-400 lens, pointed at my wall target, full frame, 1/100, f5.6, iso 3200.
I kicked it to crop mode, 1/100, f5.6, iso 3200.
I then mounted the lens to my a6400, 1/100, f5.6, iso 3200.

I'm not sure where I'm losing light unless the processor in the camera is changing something without changing the numbers on the settings.



This may help:

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/2666934640/what-is-equivalence-and-why-should-i-care/2



Sep 30, 2020 at 02:40 PM
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p.154 #7 · Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G Image Thread


Ruby Throated Hummingbird . Fortunately a couple are still hanging around.

200-600 with 2X TC

Birdie







Sep 30, 2020 at 02:47 PM
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p.154 #8 · Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G Image Thread


Pileated Woodpecker by Ken Cheng Photography, on Flickr


Sep 30, 2020 at 04:08 PM
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Less filling, tastes great.
a6400, 200-600

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50170632092_0c7cf0203b_h.jpg



Sep 30, 2020 at 04:38 PM
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_DSC9747 by leon kirkbride, on Flickr

_DSC0878 by leon kirkbride, on Flickr



Sep 30, 2020 at 04:54 PM
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I know, it looks a little weird.
The egret pierced the fish's lower lip.
a9, 200-600

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50405190417_5e35f3774a_h.jpg



Oct 01, 2020 at 10:42 PM
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p.154 #12 · Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G Image Thread


March 2020

https://photos.smugmug.com/Wildlife/Owls/i-3gT5gTc/0/fed1b4b7/X2/_EGD9198-X2.jpg


Edited on Oct 03, 2020 at 10:16 AM · View previous versions



Oct 02, 2020 at 07:27 AM
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p.154 #13 · Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G Image Thread


This burrowing owl just landed after a successful “sortie” of catching its favorite food and it did so with its eyes closed...



© AGeoJO 2020

With its eyes closed...




Oct 02, 2020 at 09:23 AM
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Sony ILCE-9 FE 200-600mm F5.6-6.3 G OSS by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr



Oct 02, 2020 at 01:05 PM
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female Peregrine with prey

A9ii 200-600 f6.3 600mm 1/2500 ISO1600

_DSC0073 by leon kirkbride, on Flickr



Oct 02, 2020 at 02:53 PM
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Sony ILCE-9 FE 200-600mm F5.6-6.3 G OSS + 1.4X Teleconverter by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr



Oct 02, 2020 at 04:17 PM
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Egret
a9, 200-600

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50409457313_91c4a37bd9_h.jpg



Oct 02, 2020 at 08:59 PM
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p.154 #18 · Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G Image Thread


Goldcrest , was fun trying to get a shot of this tiny guy flitting around the branches . How do you guys find the noise of A9/ii RAW files ? This was quite noisy at ISO3200 (1/250 shutter) so I cranked up prime in DXO photo lab

_DSC0430_DXO by leon kirkbride, on Flickr



Oct 03, 2020 at 10:35 AM
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p.154 #19 · Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G Image Thread


Hoping to hear from the A9/200-600 combo wizards on here.

Everyone is always posting such fantastic pictures here, but I want to post a failed opportunity, and see if I can learn something that will let me get the shot next time. Shooting A9/200-600 + 1.4 TC on a monopod. First shot is a perched pileated woodpecker. Ignore the over-exposure - I had been shooting into shadows just 15 seconds before, and didn't get the exposure compensation adjusted when I started shooting into that direct light (this A9 needs to be shot at -0.7 at least to avoid blowing highlights in early morning bright light conditions, and I know I need to move more quickly to adjust that as I go between different lighting conditions).

I was using Tracking Flexible Spot S (level 3), which is my standard setup when chasing small birds in trees and brush, as it's the only way I can get the birds in focus among branches. The green box was on its head, as I worked hard to make that happen. Then he took off like a shot towards me (flew just over my head) Photo #2 is a slight crop. It looks to me like the A9 was trying to track, but couldn't quite keep up - if I look closely the back feathers are in better focus that the head. ISO was 2500, exposure was f9 1/1250 which doesn't look like it was enough to freeze the wings (so looks like I should try living with higher ISO to get >1/2500 at least).

Photo #2 is also a modest crop, showing to me that it was trying to track, but maybe not keeping up.

Here's really the technical question: I have the A9 set up so AEL button is Wide focus priority, and I use it when I need to switch rapidly to a moving bird that is well separated from the background. If, while the bird is stationary, and I push the AEL button, will it pick up the focus correctly from where it is while I had it on Tracking F Spot S?? Should I try to switch modes when I think the bird might fly, or should the Tracking F Spot S be able to follow the bird as long as I can keep it in the frame? Too often when I try to switch to Wide the camera quickly finds a branch closer to me than the bird I am already focused on, so I miss shots that way.

















Oct 03, 2020 at 06:23 PM
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photonoclast wrote:
Hoping to hear from the A9/200-600 combo wizards on here.

Everyone is always posting such fantastic pictures here, but I want to post a failed opportunity, and see if I can learn something that will let me get the shot next time. Shooting A9/200-600 + 1.4 TC on a monopod. First shot is a perched pileated woodpecker. Ignore the over-exposure - I had been shooting into shadows just 15 seconds before, and didn't get the exposure compensation adjusted when I started shooting into that direct light (this A9 needs to be shot at -0.7 at least to avoid blowing highlights in
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First off, I am not a combo A9/200-600mm wizard. I have been using this combo, although not exclusively since I do have a 600mm GM lens, since it became available almost 1-˝ years ago. I agree with you that the combo tried to focus in the 2nd and 3rd image but it couldn’t pull it off. Woodpeckers are fairly small and it is fairly big in your images, especially in the last 2. I got the hunch that your situation was beyond the capability of the 200-600mm lens but not the A9.

One of the first few days of trying out the 600mm GM lens, I had a similar situation you encountered. I got a burrowing owl using RT tracking and it launched at me at full speed. I got 5 images, the first one was not critically sharp but the remaining 4 were. Granted, a burrowing owl, measuring some 8-10 inches, is larger than a woodpecker but the combo didn’t have any issues with focusing and tracking the owl at that speed within 0,5 second. Hence, I believe that the AF motor of the GM lens is definitely more capable in getting something like that. FYI, I posted images of the owl in a thread in the N&W forum here: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1617547.

If you switch the AF area even though you programmed the setting for that in a customized AEL button, you still loose some valuable time and I bet you almost anything, it will grab the closest contrasty target to you and chances are not the bird in the AF-Wide regardless whether you had the bird already in focus.

Hope this helps,
Joshua



Oct 03, 2020 at 07:30 PM
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